Singapore cracks down on anime piracy
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Even Viz hasn't gone this far in persecuting the fansubbers.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Fansubbers are only spoiling HIS market and not in the global context.
Uniquely Singapore I say. -
CSJ and the SDP must be so jealous. Even they did not get FOUR riot vans during their IMF protestOriginally posted by LazerLordz:Well, the anti-ODEX protest has made it to Reuters.
Singapore anime figurine protesters meet real police
SINGAPORE, Sept 7 (Reuters) - A protest action by a group of Singaporeans with Japanese anime figurines such as the 5-inch tall Ultramen, robots and monsters with placards met some real-life police in the city-state.
A handful of fans of Japanese anime had turned up at a Singapore public park on August 25 with armfuls of the toys to protest against a clampdown on Internet downloading of anime material by Singapore animation distributor Odex.
The incident was not reported in the local press, but pictures and accounts have started circulating on many blogs and political Web sites. (http://textfiend.net/zerohero/?p=454).
"The police didn't stop us from what we wanted to do. But their being there was enough to intimidate," the event's organiser -- who only wanted to be known by his online moniker Zer0 -- told Reuters by telephone.
He added that police -- who had four anti-riot vans at the scene -- also took down the anime fans' particulars and that they were filmed by plainclothes policemen. A police spokeswoman said she could not immediately comment.
Public protests are rare in Singapore, where outdoor demonstrations are banned and any public gathering of more than four people requires a permit.
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any updates to their appeal on the case against Pacific Internet ?
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here's the blog entry of the person who started the anti-odex protest.
http://textfiend.net/zerohero/?p=454
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they are not over-reacting.Originally posted by Gordonator:here's the blog entry of the person who started the anti-odex protest. http://textfiend.net/zerohero/?p=454
seriously the police really got themselves 0wn3d by being so over-reacted.
They used psychological intimidation on the protestors.
Video cams, taking down particulars and presence of Riot Vans are the soft tactics they apply most of the time.
"Do whatever you want now, see what comes later."
It always creates fear in protestors. -
The fear is dissipating.Originally posted by M©+square:they are not over-reacting.
They used psychological intimidation on the protestors.
Video cams, taking down particulars and presence of Riot Vans are the soft tactics they apply most of the time.
"Do whatever you want now, see what comes later."
It always creates fear in protestors.
Frankly, what it has resulted is more people questioning the waste of our tax dollars by sending riot police to investigate the fellas. -
You know lah, riots and protests are pretty high level threat, to the government.Originally posted by LazerLordz:The fear is dissipating.
Frankly, what it has resulted is more people questioning the waste of our tax dollars by sending riot police to investigate the fellas. -
lets double-6 ah-sing
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Is there any update on this issue of late?
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Change is always a constant.Originally posted by M©+square:You know lah, riots and protests are pretty high level threat, to the government.
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http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/STIStory_158811.html
Odex to get ISPs to issue online warnings
A DISTRIBUTOR of Japanese animated movies, or anime, has adopted a new tactic in its battle to stop illegal downloads here.
The firm, Odex, will ask Internet service providers (ISPs) to forward warnings to subscribers it suspects of this activity, asking them to 'cease and desist'.
Many in the online anime community here say Odex should have done this in the first place instead of a legal crackdown that sparked off an online hate campaign.
Since May, the firm has tried to get details of alleged infringers from ISPs here in order to send them letters demanding settlement sums of $3,000 to $5,000.
Spokesmen for the three ISPs said they have not yet been formally contacted by Odex and declined to disclose what they will do until they have more details.
Odex director Stephen Sing said the firm will not ask ISPs to disclose the identities of subscribers, but to forward an electronic notice from Odex to the alleged infringer.
The notice will list the alleged infringements. Subscribers can click on the link on the notice; they will be asked to acknowledge receipt of the notice and promise not to download any more pirated anime.
If they deny they have done this, they will have a chance to explain their position with the same link.
Mr Sing said if the subscriber does not respond, the firm will consider a court order to get his ISP to release his details.
The firm has changed tactics hoping the individual with the Internet subscription - often a parent whose child is downloading anime at home - will rein in such activities if they find out about them.
Read the full report in Tuesday's edition of The Straits Times -
fu shui nan shou
What's the use of doing it now when they should have done that earlier?
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Even if they change tactics now, I also wont soften my stance against them...
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as i said in the other thread, they do not appear to be changing tactics, its still the same, just that they try to make it sound differentOriginally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:fu shui nan shou
What's the use of doing it now when they should have done that earlier? -
Same tactics - only if you failed to sign the C&D formOriginally posted by hisoka:as i said in the other thread, they do not appear to be changing tactics, its still the same, just that they try to make it sound different
This is the first company that I've ever seen to issue a C&D letter after threatening legal suits.
It's totally reverse of what most companies are doing. -
actually no, last time they also asked pple to sign the C&D(the compensationthingy) b4 they will proceed with a legal suit. Only thing is they sent a legal lettter to tell them to sign the form.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Same tactics - only if you failed to sign the C&D form
This is the first company that I've ever seen to issue a C&D letter after threatening legal suits.
It's totally reverse of what most companies are doing.
and this is being planned to be done electronically now via the isp. -
I'm not sure if I would call that letter C&D...Originally posted by hisoka:actually no, last time they also asked pple to sign the C&D(the compensationthingy) b4 they will proceed with a legal suit. Only thing is they sent a legal lettter to tell them to sign the form.
and this is being planned to be done electronically now via the isp. -
wtf. change tactics? they alrdy noe the very first time they issue the compensation letter, they would've got -ve impact on them by the online community alrdy. now then they try to change tactic? isnt it soooo very late?
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moonhub does not provide email to its maxonline users.
how? -
No email got postman ma... either that... produce pop ups lor. Although I think this method will be odd and make people think their computers are infected or something.Originally posted by av98m:moonhub does not provide email to its maxonline users.
how?
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Originally posted by tortoise55:
The firm has changed tactics hoping the individual with the Internet subscription - often a parent whose child is downloading anime at home - will rein in such activities if they find out about them.
http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/STIStory_158811.html
[b]Odex to get ISPs to issue online warnings
A DISTRIBUTOR of Japanese animated movies, or anime, has adopted a new tactic in its battle to stop illegal downloads here.
The firm, Odex, will ask Internet service providers (ISPs) to forward warnings to subscribers it suspects of this activity, asking them to 'cease and desist'.
Many in the online anime community here say Odex should have done this in the first place instead of a legal crackdown that sparked off an online hate campaign.
Since May, the firm has tried to get details of alleged infringers from ISPs here in order to send them letters demanding settlement sums of $3,000 to $5,000.
Spokesmen for the three ISPs said they have not yet been formally contacted by Odex and declined to disclose what they will do until they have more details.
Odex director Stephen Sing said the firm will not ask ISPs to disclose the identities of subscribers, but to forward an electronic notice from Odex to the alleged infringer.
The notice will list the alleged infringements. Subscribers can click on the link on the notice; they will be asked to acknowledge receipt of the notice and promise not to download any more pirated anime.
If they deny they have done this, they will have a chance to explain their position with the same link.
Mr Sing said if the subscriber does not respond, the firm will consider a court order to get his ISP to release his details.
The firm has changed tactics hoping the individual with the Internet subscription - often a parent whose child is downloading anime at home - will rein in such activities if they find out about them.
Read the full report in Tuesday's edition of The Straits Times [/b]
"Almost all the parents we spoke to said they would have stopped their children from downloading if they had known about it," said Mr Sing.
He said downloaders are more combative and believe they should be allowed to continue downloading copyrighted content.
A survey by the Intellectual Property Office of Singapore this year showed only one in five people here is "bothered" by copyright infringement.
Odex sent a warning list to the National University of Singapore (NUS) earlier this year.
Professor Alan Chan, associate provost for undergraduate education, said NUS has formally warned a number of students.
"As an educational institution, we must protect and honour the integrity of intellectual property," said Prof Chan.
Source: The Straits Times, Tuesday, 18th Sept 2007, Pg H2 -
that's not a c&d form ma.. c&d is onli asking the person to stop doing wad he/she is doingOriginally posted by hisoka:actually no, last time they also asked pple to sign the C&D(the compensationthingy) b4 they will proceed with a legal suit. Only thing is they sent a legal lettter to tell them to sign the form.
and this is being planned to be done electronically now via the isp. -
"Odex director Stephen Sing said the firm will not ask ISPs to disclose the identities of subscribers, but to forward an electronic notice from Odex to the alleged infringer.
The notice will list the alleged infringements. Subscribers can click on the link on the notice; they will be asked to acknowledge receipt of the notice and promise not to download any more pirated anime.
If they deny they have done this, they will have a chance to explain their position with the same link. "
Am I right to understand that by sending an online notice, they assume that the recipient has downloaded pirated anime and is guilty by default, because they said if the person denies it, there is a chance to explain?
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Guilty until proven otherwise. Pretty much how our system works.
But my concern will be notices sent out to the wrong people, and therefore making them guilty. In the report it's stated that if they refused to sign it, ODEX will then ask for court orders to release their details.
That will put them greatly in distress, especially for innocent users.
Mine is a good example, I didn't bother to clarify... since there's no way to. You can't reply to a robot, can you?
I've received 2 emails from Singnet stating that my computer is attacking other computers when in fact I didn't. Coincidentally, I've sent out abuse reports to Singnet about hacker attacks. Those reports contained an IP address of which I logged in at another time (giving me an IP address in those reports), thus getting those emails. The thing about those 2 emails are that they are automatic, so I supposed that they set some automatic trigger when a particular IP address was detected.
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So if you get the warning, and you know you're definitely not doing anything wrong, so you don't reply with a yes, you just allowed something bigger to come after you?