ANother Refurbished Train?
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Nice information you've got there.Originally posted by tintinspartan:To clear all this miscleanancy, I've got the opportunity to interview the refurbishment project manager during the SMRT Open House. He said that each train will take at least 12 days to finish. They refurbish 3 trains at a go, so it would be slow. Now here's the list:
Current fleet:
3005-3006(RD), 3083-3084(RD), 3001-3002(RD), 3021-3022(?), 3035-3036(RD), 3003-3004(RD).
Notes: (RD)= Regular Duty, train operates in off-peak
(Test)= Under Trial
(?)= Not sure
Expected Trains: 3007-3008, 3027-3028, 3025-3026
Well, the first 3 trains operates on route number 051 and 074(evening peak) I saw 3003-3004 at Jurong on Friday but pity, missed it.
I'm only sure that 027/028 is undergoing refurbishment as i have eliminated all other trains that I've seen and only 027/028 is still on my list. 027/028 has been brought out of service ever since the ending of the Open House @ February 2007.
November 2006: 005/006
December 2006: 083/084
January 2007: 001/002
February 2007: 035/036
March 2007: 021/022
April 2007: 003/004
May 2007: 007/008 (Confirmed, saw it on test runs this week)
June 2007: Probably 027/028
But the main problem is, the rate at which trains are undergoing refurbishment is too slow. Maybe if you have got the chance (since you are able to view the refurbishment project itself) just try to inform SMRT that they are really falling back?
EDIT: The manager himself said 12 days per train. How come it is at 30 days a train? Care to ask him again? -
Updated List
019/020
027/028
UPDATE: 007/008 IS NOW REFURBISHED. POSSIBLE TRAINS NOW UNDERGOING REFURBISHMENT IS 027/028.
Will eliminate the trains one by one... =)
Trains That Are Not Refurbished And Are Seen In Operation
009/010
011/012
013/014
015/016
017/018
023/024 (IKEA Alexandra)
025/026
029/030
031/032
033/034
037/038
039/040 (Courtesy In Singapore)
041/042
043/044
045/046
047/048
049/050
051/052
053/054
055/056
057/058
059/060
061/062
063/064
065/066
067/068
069/070
071/072
073/074
075/076 (Some Shampoo Ad.)
077/078
079/080
081/082
085/086 (Singapore Symphony Orchestra)
087/088
089/090 (Sony Erisscon)
091/092
093/094
095/096
097/098
099/100
101/102
103/104
105/106 (CK In 2U Fragances)
107/108 (IKEA Tampines)
109/110
111/112
113/114
115/116
117/118
119/120
121/122
123/124
125/126
127/128
129/130
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Hmm... you ask me, I don't know.Originally posted by Oceane:I saw it yesterday once... wonder how so many people got confused with 079/080.
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Ask the south koreans. I'm from the north.Originally posted by Oceane:Nice information you've got there.
I'm only sure that 027/028 is undergoing refurbishment as i have eliminated all other trains that I've seen and only 027/028 is still on my list. 027/028 has been brought out of service ever since the ending of the Open House @ February 2007.
November 2006: 005/006
December 2006: 083/084
January 2007: 001/002
February 2007: 035/036
March 2007: 021/022
April 2007: 003/004
May 2007: 007/008 (Confirmed, saw it on test runs this week)
June 2007: Probably 027/028
But the main problem is, the rate at which trains are undergoing refurbishment is too slow. Maybe if you have got the chance (since you are able to view the refurbishment project itself) just try to inform SMRT that they are really falling back?
EDIT: The manager himself said 12 days per train. How come it is at 30 days a train? Care to ask him again?
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Well, I could rule out this: The Manager said it's 12 days per train. Probably, they just like to undergo more tests. I'm not sure wheter they would finish the whole thing in 4 years? That's long. But, i'm sure he did say that they will finish by 2008. This project is going so slow, By Blue Blistering Barnacles!!!
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1 month = 1 trainOriginally posted by tintinspartan:Well, I could rule out this: The Manager said it's 12 days per train. Probably, they just like to undergo more tests. I'm not sure wheter they would finish the whole thing in 4 years? That's long. But, i'm sure he did say that they will finish by 2008. This project is going so slow, By Blue Blistering Barnacles!!!
66 trains = 66 months = 5 years and 6 months
The first refurbished train came on November 2006. 66 months later would be May 2012. And they said 2008.
EDIT: To add on, Mitusi & Rotem Company Co. do not do the test runs. Test runs are done by SMRT staff themselves. M & R Company Co.'s job was to just refurbish trains. Unless they are lagging behind, or not they are really slow. -
Does anyone know how C651 will look like after they are refurbished (plans etc.)?
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I swear I see this Rotem guy on 3005/3006 during November 2006 when the train is on service 051 in the evening peak.
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Well I only managed to catch test trains in the tunnels where the lighting isn't very good, my apologies. But, isn't there supposed to be a working team and a testing team? Don't tell me that they do everything.Originally posted by tintinspartan:I swear I see this Rotem guy on 3005/3006 during November 2006 when the train is on service 051 in the evening peak.
P.S. 051 for a service train? 051 arrives at Bishan for evening peak at 173X Hours for passenger service. The last time I saw a test train it's TRN was 888. -
C151s were manufactured 1986 ~ 1989. Siemens C651 were manufactured 1994 ~ 1995. Well. 8 years to go.Originally posted by C151:Does anyone know how C651 will look like after they are refurbished (plans etc.)?
Features of Refurbished C151s:
1. Exterior makeover (Re-painting)
2. Windows changed (Same type though, manufactured by DUOLITE, only 005/006 does not have DUOLITE windows)
3. Fluroscent lighting in the connecting parts of 2 cars
4. Long fluroscent lightings changed to small bulbs
5. Additional grabpoles
6. Extension of seats, but seats decreased by 2.
7. Interior painting (All carriages are painted the same white colour)
8. Painting of seats (Lighter colours in the middle 3 seats, heavy colours in the side 2 seats)
9. Additional air-conditioners installed (similar to C751Bs)
10. Changing of glass panels for fire-extinguishers (In the old C151s, the glass panels had a handle but now, in the refurbished trains, there is no handles and the glass panels read "Break".)
11. Re-laying of floor surface with granite (supposedly)
12. Installation of luminous "Emergency Exit" sign at both ends of trains (in the old C151s, it was just a sticker pasted at the walls of the driver cabin doors)
13. Headlights changed from circular to squarish
14. "Door closing" sign installed at every door in the middle of it
15. Emergency Call button replaced (In the old C151s, it was stationed at the top, in the new refurbished trains, it was placed next to doors)
16. Huge space with lower Emergency Call buttons and handles at both ends of Car 2 for handicapped on wheelchairs
17. Fibreglass panels at the side of doors replaced with full length instead of half-length
18. Rubber panels installed at exterior ends of cars (similar to C751Bs)
19. Labelling of cars changed (exterior -- changed to smaller sizes; interior --- changed to a smaller size with bolded fonts)
20. Additional speakers with holes punched into the walls
21. Labelling of doors added
22. With reference to Point 21, all doors now had emergency call buttons (think so). Labelling of doors were placed at doors with emergency call buttons. I'm not too sure about refurbished trains, have to confirm.
Do you think it'll be the same for C651s?
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It's 051, a passenger service number. Runs on evening peak from AMK to JUR, JUR to MRB, MRB to YIS and YIS to Depot. It run time from 4:30 pm to 6:40.
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007/008 is now on services as yesterday i boarded it.
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Hmm, I guess its always good practice to change the technical parts, and won't that extra weight do bad to the motors?
Might be a good choice to change the gearboxes and so on, increase the accleration and decrease slightly the maximum speed...
Something like 3-4km/h per second acceleration and 75km/h maximum speed, can't modify the motors or you would have to change the entire train... -
So far... the gear equipment has been found satisfactory...Originally posted by jetabt767400:Hmm, I guess its always good practice to change the technical parts, and won't that extra weight do bad to the motors?
Might be a good choice to change the gearboxes and so on, increase the accleration and decrease slightly the maximum speed...
Something like 3-4km/h per second acceleration and 75km/h maximum speed, can't modify the motors or you would have to change the entire train...
I don't think increasing the speed would help. 20% of the tracks require slow speed to pass through it, nonetheless going over these "dangerous" parts may cause derailment. -
Saw it on 087 at Jurong East on 22nd May. It was new and sastifactory. If you don't know the train before refurbishment, it was the Guardian advertisement train.
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For your information, I saw 025/026 still running for service on NSL yesterday.
Few days ago, I still see 031/032 running for service on NSL.Originally posted by Oceane:Updated List
007/008 (Refurbished, Undergoing Trial Tests)
019/020
027/028
031/032
UPDATE: 007/008 IS NOW REFURBISHED. POSSIBLE TRAINS NOW UNDERGOING REFURBISHMENT IS 027/028.
Will eliminate the trains one by one... =) -
I don't think 087/088 was Guardian train before. 089/090 was definitely the one which is a Guardian train.Originally posted by tintinspartan:Saw it on 087 at Jurong East on 22nd May. It was new and sastifactory. If you don't know the train before refurbishment, it was the Guardian advertisement train. -
i think the trains could brake faster going by how the tube runs.
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Lucky of you to catch that 007/008. I even have not seen 007/008 myself.Originally posted by littlearea:007/008 is now on services as yesterday i boarded it.
I only boarded 001/002, 005/006, 021/022 and 083/084. And 083/084 is the train which I boarded this quite often than other refurbished trains. It is seen to be running on NSL during off-peak in some afternoon. -
Huh? 087/088 is still not under refurbishment, same for 089/090.Originally posted by tintinspartan:Saw it on 087 at Jurong East on 22nd May. It was new and sastifactory. If you don't know the train before refurbishment, it was the Guardian advertisement train.
089/090 was a Guardian Yellow advertisement train before, recently changed to Samsung Red advertisement. ^_^
You know, whenever I see a train in advertisement I can know the numbers of it, even when I'm standing 100m away. =) -
Updated List
019/020
027/028
UPDATE: 007/008 IS NOW REFURBISHED. POSSIBLE TRAINS NOW UNDERGOING REFURBISHMENT IS 027/028.
Will eliminate the trains one by one... =)
Trains That Are Not Refurbished And Are Seen In Operation
009/010
011/012
013/014
015/016
017/018
023/024 (IKEA Alexandra)
025/026
029/030
031/032
033/034
037/038
039/040 (Courtesy In Singapore)
041/042
043/044
045/046
047/048
049/050
051/052
053/054
055/056
057/058
059/060
061/062
063/064
065/066
067/068
069/070
071/072
073/074
075/076 (Some Shampoo Ad.)
077/078
079/080
081/082
085/086 (Singapore Symphony Orchestra)
087/088
089/090 (Sony Erisscon)
091/092
093/094
095/096
097/098
099/100
101/102
103/104
105/106 (CK In 2U Fragances)
107/108 (IKEA Tampines)
109/110
111/112
113/114
115/116
117/118
119/120
121/122
123/124
125/126
127/128
129/130
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089/090 is Sony Ericsson W880i advertisement. Boarded it on EWL from City Hall today.Originally posted by Oceane:Huh? 087/088 is still not under refurbishment, same for 089/090.
089/090 was a Guardian Yellow advertisement train before, recently changed to Samsung Red advertisement. ^_^
You know, whenever I see a train in advertisement I can know the numbers of it, even when I'm standing 100m away. =) -
Saw 003/004 running on NSL during off-peak in afternoon today but I missed it!
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It was running on 055. I saw 021/022 on service at EW PM Peak just now
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How can an EW train possibly have TRNs of 055? EW = 001 - 049, NS = 050 -= 099Originally posted by tintinspartan:It was running on 055. I saw 021/022 on service at EW PM Peak just now