Circle Line Stages 1 & 2
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Originally posted by Dragonaxe:
If Circle Line were to relieve CBD interchanges, why are there people still transfering to the NSL NB while going to bishan or upwards. Usually the trains are just plain empty, even the platforms. Look at Paya Lebar CCL Station, the platform is so small yet even getting a seat @ the platform or the train is easy. Look at NSL/EWL, you can't even get in, even if there is a slight delay, the whole station would be crowded.
CCL is to relieve CBD interchanges, yes, but why are City Hall and Raffles Place so crowded? Despite its just 1 station away to transfer, People rather take the trains directly back home instead of beating the crowd. Like example, I would like to beat the massive crowd at City Hall and Raffles Place, I would like to go from Eunos to Clementi, I take a train to PYB and go to DBG, then I transfer to NEL, I go to Outram Park transfer to EWL. It doesn't have good East-West connectivity, only North-East and North-West. People still rely on EWL to get to the other side of Singapore from East to West
There are many major schools along the Bukit Timah corridor, DTL2 serve that area, but its too late, There are too many cars already, the demand is too high, they should had started planning long ago, knowing that the northwestern area of Singapore is starting and SMRT is unable to fulfill the demand. The construction should had started way back, right when NEL was completed. The stretch DTL 3 serve have good connectivity but the buses are unable to upkeep it, Even if it goes along Bedok Reservoir road where thousands are living there, No new buildings were built , only a few condominium, the buses are so crowded, DTL3 would serve more than 10 schools. The middle platform @ Tanah Merah was to accommodate the DTL but with the recent opening on the branch , it moved to Expo.
Eastern Region Line would serve the whole East Coast but, is East Coast that populated? I wonder is it?
No, the middle platform in TNM had never meant to serve the DTL 3, becoz, looking from the alignment, it turns right towards Changi Depot / Expo instead of Left, which would had been running parallel with the Simei - Pasir Ris sector.
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While CCL is meant to save time, I cant see much savings in time when you travel from PYL to DBG via CCL and transfer to NEL to OTP and transfer back to EWL towards Western areas of Singapore. In fact, it wastes more time (I tested before)
Well, the most benefital is those from BNV or PYL - BSH, where only a quarter of the circle is involved. The second most benefital should be HBF - BNV, which logically looks faster compared to HBF - OTP and OTP - Western part of EWL stations.
Other than that, unless CCL6 is really built (Or Marina Bay Extension extended to Harbourfront, completing a full Circle, which is a long term plan), I cant see any use of CCL 1 and 2 apart of the stations in between. (I mean CCL 1 and 2 are useless in transfering to other trains, they are in fact slower)
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can forget abt CCL6 as long as PSA's older terminal are there.
Then there's Sv 97 doing bridging for now
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Originally posted by sbst275:
can forget abt CCL6 as long as PSA's older terminal are there.
Then there's Sv 97 doing bridging for now
They can choose to link CCL6 to Tanjong Pagar mrt instead of the psa terminal's area.
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Originally posted by Dragonaxe:
Promenade was never planned to be an interchange, it was Nicol Highway thanks to the collapse, it was shifted to Promenade. Then another line from Chinatown (DTL3)
DTL2 was just nth, maybe it was CCLe?
LOL, to make School of the arts good also what. You see beside Cathay Cinepleasure (idk how spell) that giant building is SOTA
I think both promenade and nicoll highway were planned to be cross platform interchanges, but the nicoll highway collapse so no more for nicoll highway station.
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Originally posted by disappear:
They can choose to link CCL6 to Tanjong Pagar mrt instead of the psa terminal's area.
Maybe.... Shenton Way and Maxwell Station.... :D
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Originally posted by disappear:
They can choose to link CCL6 to Tanjong Pagar mrt instead of the psa terminal's area.
As they've plans to develop the older container terminal for waterfront devt, more needed to wait and see.After all the older terminals would soon be outpaced by e bigger, deeper PPT.
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Originally posted by Samuel Lee:
Well, the most benefital is those from BNV or PYL - BSH, where only a quarter of the circle is involved. The second most benefital should be HBF - BNV, which logically looks faster compared to HBF - OTP and OTP - Western part of EWL stations.
Benefits pple at Bishan and Serangoon the most. e.g. Serangoon to Buona Vista/Jurong, no need to take purple line anymore. if from east want to go to west stations, just take green line direct, no point taking CCL. Also, Serangoon to Paya Lebar, direct instead of transferring twice at dhoby and city hall
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Originally posted by disappear:
I think both promenade and nicoll highway were planned to be cross platform interchanges, but the nicoll highway collapse so no more for nicoll highway station.
now, it is promenade and bayfront -
Originally posted by Samuel Lee:Other than that, unless CCL6 is really built (Or Marina Bay Extension extended to Harbourfront, completing a full Circle, which is a long term plan), I cant see any use of CCL 1 and 2 apart of the stations in between. (I mean CCL 1 and 2 are useless in transfering to other trains, they are in fact slower)
if there should be a CCL Stage 6 to dhoby ghaut, then it should have an interchange station near tanjong pagar mrt station, such that there is a walkway (not sure if underground or overhead) that links the tanjong pagar railway station. i prefer CCL6 as it would enable CCL1 & CCL2 to be fully utilised, at least those in west and north of singapore can benefit. east side i'm not sure.
as for marina bay extension to harbourfront, forget it until at least 2027, as psa's lease on tanjong pagar port expires the same year.
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Originally posted by yaumatei1994:
if there should be a CCL Stage 6 to dhoby ghaut, then it should have an interchange station near tanjong pagar mrt station, such that there is a walkway (not sure if underground or overhead) that links the tanjong pagar railway station. i prefer CCL6 as it would enable CCL1 & CCL2 to be fully utilised, at least those in west and north of singapore can benefit. east side i'm not sure.
Tanjong Pagar MRT Station and Tanjung Pagar Railway Station is not near to each other. You have to change to 80 or 145 to get there quickly.
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Originally posted by yaumatei1994:
if there should be a CCL Stage 6 to dhoby ghaut, then it should have an interchange station near tanjong pagar mrt station, such that there is a walkway (not sure if underground or overhead) that links the tanjong pagar railway station. i prefer CCL6 as it would enable CCL1 & CCL2 to be fully utilised, at least those in west and north of singapore can benefit. east side i'm not sure.
as for marina bay extension to harbourfront, forget it until at least 2027, as psa's lease on tanjong pagar port expires the same year.
It cant be. If there is a extension after Harbourfront in CCL, it must connect to Promendae, which is why the Marina Bay Extension is used for.
Creating an extension that links to Dhoby Ghaut is already done in NEL.
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Originally posted by yaumatei1994:
if there should be a CCL Stage 6 to dhoby ghaut, then it should have an interchange station near tanjong pagar mrt station, such that there is a walkway (not sure if underground or overhead) that links the tanjong pagar railway station. i prefer CCL6 as it would enable CCL1 & CCL2 to be fully utilised, at least those in west and north of singapore can benefit. east side i'm not sure.
as for marina bay extension to harbourfront, forget it until at least 2027, as psa's lease on tanjong pagar port expires the same year.
The full circle is more likely to be at Promenade.Promenade - Dhoby Ghaut might become Marina Line again if CCL6 materialises
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Heard the new annoucement in Bishan CCL again'
Attention pls, for a quicker boarding, please move to a less crowed area along th platform, thank you. (Re-record, not the old one)
Attention pls, if you are unable to board the train at Platform A/B, please wait for the next train. Thank you. (This time including platform A)
*Did anybody hear the move to centre of the car annoucement in CCL train?*
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Took during off peak hrs.
Off peak load really unsustainable bet Bartley & CBD. too low
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I am sure CCL's benefits are mainly for those intending to transfer between the radial lines. I can get to Ang Mo Kio and Bishan much faster than currently when CCL4/5 finally opens. many people are also using it to transfer from PYL to BSN/SRG. CCL doesnt seem to be designed to be taken in a loop though, it mainly provides opportunities for faster transfers. do agree CCL1 may see greater use if the segment between HBF and DBG is connected.
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Having trains running in circles are not practical. If you have a line in continuous loop, there is no termination station. Terminals are important. Trains stopping at terminal stations stop for a while, as you probably know. Whenever there is a delay somewhere on the line, it will take forever to remedy and recover as there is no waiting at terminals. Trains pile up behind, leaving a black hole ahead of the delay, and there is no way to recover time, as there is no time left to recover. A solution is for trains to run in circles, but, stop somewhere along the line, and then reverse direction.
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Originally posted by joeyfjj:
Having trains running in circles are not practical.
If you have a line in continuous loop, there is no termination station. Terminals are important. Trains stopping at terminal stations stop for a while, as you probably know.
Whenever there is a delay somewhere on the line, it will take forever to remedy and recover as there is no waiting at terminals. Trains pile up behind, leaving a black hole ahead of the delay, and there is no way to recover time, as there is no time left to recover.
A solution is for trains to run in circles, but, stop somewhere along the line, and then reverse direction.
Paya Lebar is the best choice, terminate at middle platform for trains going clockwise, trains going anti-clockwise terminates at Promenade Platform B. While Dhoby Ghaut bound trains terminate at Paya Lebar Platform B and Dhoby Ghaut. Platform A in Paya Lebar unused, maybe for peak hours where trains go round the circle and terminate there instead of Promenade.
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Here's a diagram to help you understand better
Green CCL Service will only use Platform B.
Also, I made a mistake at Paya Lebar, green CCL continues from Blue CCL, Blue CCL terminates at Platform A, then train goes to the middle platform as DNB, then to the Platform B, before continuing it's journey.
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Originally posted by yellowflip999:
Paya Lebar is the best choice, terminate at middle platform for trains going clockwise, trains going anti-clockwise terminates at Promenade Platform B. While Dhoby Ghaut bound trains terminate at Paya Lebar Platform B and Dhoby Ghaut. Platform A in Paya Lebar unused, maybe for peak hours where trains go round the circle and terminate there instead of Promenade.
[EDIT]
Here's a diagram to help you understand better
Green CCL Service will only use Platform B.
Also, I made a mistake at Paya Lebar, green CCL continues from Blue CCL, Blue CCL terminates at Platform A, then train goes to the middle platform as DNB, then to the Platform B, before continuing it's journey.
Hope LTA don't plan this so confusing lines...
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Now really every trip playing e 'wait for next train' or move up to 1st or 3rd carriage announcement during peak hrs.
Situation quite desperate ba... NSL & NEL peak freq is 2 - 3 mins, CCL still 3.5 - 7 mins.
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Originally posted by c751bLoVuR:
Hope LTA don't plan this so confusing lines...
Of course they won't use this plan, because there's no cross over between Dakota and Paya Lebar.
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Originally posted by joeyfjj:
Having trains running in circles are not practical.
If you have a line in continuous loop, there is no termination station. Terminals are important. Trains stopping at terminal stations stop for a while, as you probably know.
Whenever there is a delay somewhere on the line, it will take forever to remedy and recover as there is no waiting at terminals. Trains pile up behind, leaving a black hole ahead of the delay, and there is no way to recover time, as there is no time left to recover.
A solution is for trains to run in circles, but, stop somewhere along the line, and then reverse direction.
Hmmm. Such lines are rare but can be found in other countries like the JR Yamanote Line.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
Now really every trip playing e 'wait for next train' or move up to 1st or 3rd carriage announcement during peak hrs.
Situation quite desperate ba... NSL & NEL peak freq is 2 - 3 mins, CCL still 3.5 - 7 mins.
NEL peak hour frequency is 3.5 mins
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Originally posted by yellowflip999:
Paya Lebar is the best choice, terminate at middle platform for trains going clockwise, trains going anti-clockwise terminates at Promenade Platform B. While Dhoby Ghaut bound trains terminate at Paya Lebar Platform B and Dhoby Ghaut. Platform A in Paya Lebar unused, maybe for peak hours where trains go round the circle and terminate there instead of Promenade.
[EDIT]
Here's a diagram to help you understand better
Green CCL Service will only use Platform B.
Also, I made a mistake at Paya Lebar, green CCL continues from Blue CCL, Blue CCL terminates at Platform A, then train goes to the middle platform as DNB, then to the Platform B, before continuing it's journey.
This would mean a lot of changes needed to be made for the tracks....
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Originally posted by LTnF1fan:
This would mean a lot of changes needed to be made for the tracks....
Promenade should have the most changes.................