[Speculation] Western Region Line
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Originally posted by sbst275:
somemore some here still think SMRT is building everything.
If SMRT does BOT w/ $60bn, SMRT will be crying... 30 yrs + interest to pay back man.
Yet non BOT, our MRT sv cmi compared to BOT Taipei MRT.
Let SBS be the operator den, let them share the burden
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Originally posted by i_luv_erky:
Let SBS be the operator den, let them share the burden
our country is e few govt will tar e upfront construction cost.
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Guys I got a few facts here.
Fact 1: I today went to NLB and found URA 2001 Concept Plan. That plan is actually a small booklet which contains the highlights of the next 40 ~ 50 years of development, subjected to a review in every 10 years. I had photocopied a map on such issue (No colour) which I would upload it some days later. Alternatively, you can go to the NLB Lee Kong Chian Reference Library at Level 8.
Fact 2: The guy who draw the map of "Future MRT Line" with Tampines Line, Seletar Line, Tuas LRT etc is generally correct --- as in compared with the concept plan.
Fact 3: Kallang Line / Extension was not mentioned in that map, preceisly is due to that particular sector is not present in this concept plan.
Fact 4: Holland Line, Seletar Line etc was mentioned as a unconfirmed but logical name because such keyword cannot be found in the booklet, except in terms of graphical drawing.
Fact 5: Paya Lebar - Marine Parade line do present in that map.
Fact 6: According to the concept plan again, the DTL Stage 2 extension will be done, and it will connect to Sungei Kadut instead of Kranji (I agree that DTL Stage 2 go to Kranji will involve a right curve towards Turf City.). Well, added bonus: From Sungei Kadut, it goes up to Marsiling near Woodland Checkpoint and go to connect with Thomson Line (But AFAIK, according to leak government tender, TSL will be 4 train car with 5 doors instead of CCL / DTL 3 train car with 4 doors or EWL/NSL/NEL 6 train car with 4 doors).
Fact 7: There is a small orbital (And many other looping lines) line, one of them located in between of Yishun and Sembawang.
Fact 8: There was a plan of LRT (Or MRT?) line in Tuas - Lim Chu Kang - Neo Tiew - Marsiling as well as Pulau Ubin / Tekong (WTF - Tekong? Maybe that time is when NS are abolished --- politics talk again.) in whitepaper 1996 BUT not in this concept plan. So please dont plan a line in Lim Chu Kang, as other than ghosts, who is gonna to "live" there for 15 years [They only allowed to be buried for 15 years, except Islamic cemetry which is due to religious reasons] and SAF people in live firing area / Tengah air base as well as farmers around that agricultural areas.
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got to understand, e 2001 concept plan had a lot of planned train line appearing. But everything was scaled down.
It's all over budget issues. You can't be spending all $$ onto e MRT, you need $$ for e economy, education and other things.
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What I expect, is that they are not going to build to many new LRT lines and too much orbital lines wont benefit the commuters from East to West / North to South.
As I said, the concept plan is likely to change a lot due to NCW incident, and other budgeting issues [Complicated Current World Affairs involved as politics is involved, and politics is not just election], but instead of 2030 acheive 540km rail, they might and will pushed that to say 2050. (By 2020 to have 278km of rail and only 10 years to ready of another 200~ km of rail? You gotta kidding me.)
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Originally posted by Dragonaxe:
Circle Line
First thing's first. The unused platforms at Promenade.
If you look at the tunnels, they curve nicely to the left. You can assume it is parallel to DTL. They were suppose to be for DTL. Originally Nicol Highway was reserved for BTL. Due to the collapse, LTA divert the lines and did a last-minute change to Promenade. Look at the result, First, the trains from BTL were suppose to be ABLE to crossover to DBG but then, they forgot that the nearby building (Suntec City) column is blocking. LTA doesn't want to rebuild or what-so-ever. LTA hates Level crossing the most, but the provision is still there, fenced up. So its not for Marina Bay extension or what-so-ever. That track is going to be dead forever unless LTA wants to implement a new line and put a buffer IMMEDIATELY after the tracks.
Second, connecting Marina Bay to Harbourfront
Frequency screwed by shuttle service? Nah. Its going to be a crazy shuttle wvy crossover service. At Esplanade, Promenade and Bayfront. The frequency is going to be alternate. 1 train goes to promenade another goes to esplanade and the same for the other 2 stations. Connecting Marina Bay to Harbourfront is not a problem and IT WILL HAPPEN. I repeat, IT WILL HAPPEN. The Pasir Panjang Container Terminal has been reserved for the 3rd (or 4th CBD). It has been 100% reserved by URA. The circle line can interchange with Tanjong Pagar but then wouldn't that be short-term plan? Extending it via the Pasir Panjang Container Terminal would be a better plan. The Circle Line will serve the new "mini" CBD.
Third, 40 trains on CCL?
40 Trains on CCL is a big no-no. Seriously look at DTL, 73 trains for 33 stations but CCL? 40 trains for 35 stations? RIDICULOUS! I did my own calculations, CCL will have at least 77 trains serving it by 2030. Look, there are sidings all along the Circle Line and you can "park" 16 trains all in the sidings. Meaning, CCL can have up to 93 trains on the line.
Downtown Line
First, DTL 1.
DTL tracks would be able to CROSSOVER to CCL tracks to Marina Bay to the Temporary Depot. I have nothing to say about this phase.
Second, DTL 2
Gali Batu depot. Its near Yew Tee but no that near. But Extending it to interchange with the future NSL Sungei Kadut station is highly possible or maybe to Kranji station. Since the tracks to depot is going to be under the road. When it is about to reach the depot it will curve left into the depot. But then extending it by modifying the tracks so that it can be a crossover to the depot and head straight and run along Woodlands Road, towards Kranji and end there.
Third, DTL 3
Now this is the interesting part, lets take a look at Bedok Town Park station alignment, the BPJ track curves weirdly to the left instead of being side by side. Meaning, its possible to have a middle track. Look at the width of the station (LTA drawing is not always accurate), it looks kinda wide right? Yeah, there will sure be a spur line, first it will head straight and do a sharp turn back onto Bedok North Road. Follow along Bedok North Road and do a PMN turn infront of Block 547 (There is a large plot of land reserved). Then it will follow along Bedok North Ave 1 and continue towards Bedok South Road, follow the road until Upper East Coast Road and interchange there.
Expo overrun tracks will split into 2, 1 towards the shared depot between DTL and ERL and the other, interchange with ERL. I'm very sure that DTL will interchange with ERL and share a depot.
Kallang Line
LTA has proposed this route in the 1996 white paper. In my opinion, it will be a shuttle service. The new added section will be when the MRB bound track going above the BSD bound viaduct. Adding a new viaduct and crossover there then immediately run along Kallang River and go Underground. It will go under the Kallang River all the way and interchange with Kallang and Stadium then head towards the future CBD, Marina East then join with the Marina South overrun tracks.
North Coast Line
It will interchange at Changi Airport, go along Pasir Ris Park or the road parallel to TPE (Old Tampines Rd ??!?!) and head towards Punggol and make a "T-shape" interchange. Then it will continue to Seletar and towards Simpang and interchange with Woodlands. Then continue to Lim Chu Kang and most probably interchange with Boon Lay
East Region
2 parallel lines running beside East West Line, naming East west line run through the central of the east and Downtown line the northern borderline of the east and Eastern Region Line the southern borderline of the east
North East Region
The North East Line is the only beeded line. The towns in the northeast have a maximum 2.5km radius from the nearest MRT line
North Region
2 Lines (1 Existing, 1 U/C)
The Thomnson Line is going to run almost parallel to NSL. Like in the east, there will be parallel lines running beside the main lines naming EWL/NSL.
The Thomnson Line depot will be somewhere near Mandai Rd and I expect it to be running to the nearest parallel road west of NSL (Woodlands to MRB)
North West Region
2 lines (1 Existing, 1 U/C)
Anyway DTL is suppose to ease the large number of crowd from the North West Region. Its is about as big as Tampines and Bedok and Pasir Ris combined.
West Region
1 line (East West Line)
Now, Jurong is so big that it needs at least 10 stations to serve the whole Jurong East.
I expect a Western Region Line to interchange with the future EWL Tuas South station and head to somewhere deeper in Tuas South.
I expect another unknown Line to be running from Woodlands, go along Lim Chu Kang, all the way then to NTU then terminate at Pasir Gul.
So Dragonaxe, I got a few questions:
CCL
Not sure what you mean? Alternate Marina Bay - Promenade and Marina Bay - Dhoby Ghaut since adding a crossover in Esplanade is quite unlikely (Between inner and outer circle)? I think it is sensible to have new platform on the left side (Turns existing CCL DBG bound to become JEMP-ed Jurong East EB) and another platform at somewhere else for DTL because it is illogical for CCL Marina Bay Extension trains to terminate and disrupt on DTL tracks / train. Same goes to Marina Bay Extension trains will not terminate on existing CCL tracks and obstruct trains from ESP / NCW. [Then JEMP is obsolete / fake if they allow such arrangements in PMN]. My suggestion is Marina Bay extension will start on Marina Bay, via PMN, heads to Stadium and ends like LTE Outram Park. (As Stadium - Mountbatten has a similar configuration as Outram Park with a middle slidings track.)
DTL
On a second look, most likely, DTL Stage 2 extension will have a station on the junction of Mandai Road (Previously mentioned on top of a station near GBD) and heads to Sungei Kadut instead of Kranji as Kranji requires a right curve via Turf Club.
Kallang Line
Adding a new crossover in Marina Bay bound is possible but ridiculous as it defeats the purpose of the provision middle track. Shuttle train / Another line option is possible but will it requires more train?
North Coast Line
Woodlands - Lim Chu Kang - Boon Lay is illogical as the demand is too low to even justify an LRT. Lim Chu Kang - Boon Lay might not so but it duplicates Jurong Region LRT, which from the concept plan 2001, is likely to be a backward C shape like without closing, instead of a SKG LRT style as hoped by me.
Others
I think any line from Woodlands to the West should be well served by DTL Stage 2 extension / Holland Line. The other lines cutting Lim Chu Kang is way too impratical as the users are likely only the Tengah Air base staffs / NSFs (Who might not be using daily, especially on Sundays), Farmers in the agricultural area on top of the Ghosts in cemetery who is gonna mostly to live for 15 years only (Due to land constraints, all the newly buried bodies from dunno when will have such limit, whether you or the deceased like it or not, 15 years later = go Mandai and burn the coffin. Obviously, the Islamics one are exception due to religious reasons.).
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People, this "Western Region Line (WRL)" is only a speculation. It may not be real in the future, or it may be a dream come true for the people living, working, and playing in the western side of Singapore.
To those suggesting the colour for the line: lime green, yellow, or cyan...might be possible in future.
Anyway, just wait for news of the future MRT network system unveiled by Sameul and myself, or other LTA Project Planners.In the meantime, putting myself in the shoes of LTA planners, and residents in western region Singapore, a re-edited version of the WRL:
WR1 NTU (Terminus)
WR2 Westwood
WR3 Jalan Bahar
WR4 Jurong West
WR5/EW26 Lakeside
WR6 Japanese Garden
WR7 Goh Keng Swee
WR8 Jalan Ahmad Ibrahim
WR9 Pandan Reservoir
WR10 West Coast Park
WR11 Science Park
WR12/CC25 Haw Par Villa
WR13/CC26 Pasir Panjang
WR14 Alexandra
WR15 Depot Road
WR16 Bukit Merah
WR17/EW17 Tiong Bahru
WR18/EW16/NE3 Outram Park
WR19 Cantonment Road
WR20 Anson Road
WR21 Maxwell
WR22 Cecil Street
WR23/NE5 Clarke Quay
WR24/DT20 River Valley
WR25 Fort Canning
WR26/NS23 Somerset
WR27 Devonshire
WR28 Orchard Boulevard
WR29/NS22 Orchard (Terminus)Status: 29 stations, first 11 stations to go either:
1) elevated or 2) similar to BSH NSL platform (ground level, in other words)
No.of stations interchanging with:
East West Line-2
North South Line-2
North East Line-2
Circle Line-2
Downtown Line-1
Thomson Line-0
Eastern Region Line-0 -
Then, from Lakeside, a "Clementi West Extension (CWE)" that links Jurong East areas to one-north
WR5/EW26 Lakeside
CW1 Town Hall
CW2/NS1/EW24 Jurong East
CW3 Toh Tuck
CW4 Toh Tuck
CW5 Ulu Pandan
CW6 Brookvale Park
CW7 Ngee Ann Polytechnic
CW8 Henry Park
CW9/EW22 Dover
CW10/CC23 One-North -
my thots on WRL:may be feasible, provided there is enough money,backing,etc.Colour:possible for grey,maybe?(blue/green will be hard to see)
Stations:NTU,Yunnan.Jalan Bahar South(at junction with PIE?),Jurong Canal,Chinese Garden Interchange,Taman Jurong,Goh Keng Swee(if not, can it be Bird Park?), Ahamd Ibrahim,Clementi South,West Coast,Science Park,Kent Ridge Interchange,Tanglin Halt,Alexandra,(future)Keppel Interchange,Marina Bay Interchange,Esplanade Interchange,Little India Interchange, Orchard.
Train:C951A
Cui it short,people!
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Originally posted by Samuel Lee:
What I expect, is that they are not going to build to many new LRT lines and too much orbital lines wont benefit the commuters from East to West / North to South.
As I said, the concept plan is likely to change a lot due to NCW incident, and other budgeting issues [Complicated Current World Affairs involved as politics is involved, and politics is not just election], but instead of 2030 acheive 540km rail, they might and will pushed that to say 2050. (By 2020 to have 278km of rail and only 10 years to ready of another 200~ km of rail? You gotta kidding me.)
I don't think LTA build in the Nature Reserve. LCK, Sungei Buroh etc.
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Reminds me.. Building MRT in NTU is completely zero chance. There's ppl staying in Hall, there's acad ops in e day.
As for Jurong Ind Est having MRT, I think tis MRT line off peak/ weekend freq is 30 mins. Costly than to operate buses.
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Originally posted by c751bLoVuR:
I don't think LTA build in the Nature Reserve. LCK, Sungei Buroh etc.
Build MRT inside army firing area for?Reserved site are protected, no devt of MRT or watever
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Originally posted by sbst275:
Build MRT inside army firing area for?Reserved site are protected, no devt of MRT or watever
Just see the above posted. They planned to have a station in the Northwestern Site.
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Originally posted by leo2010agendas:
Then, from Lakeside, a "Clementi West Extension (CWE)" that links Jurong East areas to one-north
WR5/EW26 Lakeside
CW1 Town Hall
CW2/NS1/EW24 Jurong East
CW3 Toh Tuck
CW4 Toh Tuck
CW5 Ulu Pandan
CW6 Brookvale Park
CW7 Ngee Ann Polytechnic
CW8 Henry Park
CW9/EW22 Dover
CW10/CC23 One-NorthCannot have 2 stations with the same name.
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Originally posted by c751bLoVuR:
Just see the above posted. They planned to have a station in the Northwestern Site.
U believe?Some ppl mentioned bef, e scholars believe CCK Cmty land is as worth as CBD land before. Even though that land is near emergency aircraft runway and so on.
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Originally posted by Samuel Lee:
So Dragonaxe, I got a few questions:
CCL
Not sure what you mean? Alternate Marina Bay - Promenade and Marina Bay - Dhoby Ghaut since adding a crossover in Esplanade is quite unlikely (Between inner and outer circle)? I think it is sensible to have new platform on the left side (Turns existing CCL DBG bound to become JEMP-ed Jurong East EB) and another platform at somewhere else for DTL because it is illogical for CCL Marina Bay Extension trains to terminate and disrupt on DTL tracks / train. Same goes to Marina Bay Extension trains will not terminate on existing CCL tracks and obstruct trains from ESP / NCW. [Then JEMP is obsolete / fake if they allow such arrangements in PMN]. My suggestion is Marina Bay extension will start on Marina Bay, via PMN, heads to Stadium and ends like LTE Outram Park. (As Stadium - Mountbatten has a similar configuration as Outram Park with a middle slidings track.)
DTL
On a second look, most likely, DTL Stage 2 extension will have a station on the junction of Mandai Road (Previously mentioned on top of a station near GBD) and heads to Sungei Kadut instead of Kranji as Kranji requires a right curve via Turf Club.
Kallang Line
Adding a new crossover in Marina Bay bound is possible but ridiculous as it defeats the purpose of the provision middle track. Shuttle train / Another line option is possible but will it requires more train?
North Coast Line
Woodlands - Lim Chu Kang - Boon Lay is illogical as the demand is too low to even justify an LRT. Lim Chu Kang - Boon Lay might not so but it duplicates Jurong Region LRT, which from the concept plan 2001, is likely to be a backward C shape like without closing, instead of a SKG LRT style as hoped by me.
Others
I think any line from Woodlands to the West should be well served by DTL Stage 2 extension / Holland Line. The other lines cutting Lim Chu Kang is way too impratical as the users are likely only the Tengah Air base staffs / NSFs (Who might not be using daily, especially on Sundays), Farmers in the agricultural area on top of the Ghosts in cemetery who is gonna mostly to live for 15 years only (Due to land constraints, all the newly buried bodies from dunno when will have such limit, whether you or the deceased like it or not, 15 years later = go Mandai and burn the coffin. Obviously, the Islamics one are exception due to religious reasons.).
CCL
Ok, Let me show you 1 scenario
Man A wants to get from Bayfront to Promenade but RATIS Shows :
Dhoby Ghaut
1 minute
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Harbourfront
5 minutes
So he boards the DBG bound train and heads towards esplanade. Then when he arrives at esplanade, the other train arrives at the other platform, heading towards promenade. So he boards that train and reach his destination.
Lets show a scenario 2
Man B wants to get from Promenade to Esplanade
RATIS shows
Marina Bay
1 min
Dhoby Ghaut
5 minutes
So he boards the MRB bound train, then at BYF, he crossover to the other platform (DBG bound train) and heads towards his destination and vice versa from Esplanade.
This kind of frequency is needed if you don't want to screw up frequency. BTW, when the circle is close up? Then what's the route? Non-stop circle?
DTL
Kallang Line
I meant here.
The descend is too low and you won't have any codes from there onwards. No code = RM
So I was talking about this all the time
Others
You don't expect that place to be developed? Sad face, HDB might still giving themselves a facepalm for building HDB flats there. There were plans for a spur line from the NSL to Lim Chu Kang, but later scrapped. So, according to Samuel, No HDB flats or industrial areas = NO MRT
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Originally posted by Dragonaxe:
CCL
Ok, Let me show you 1 scenario
Man A wants to get from Bayfront to Promenade but RATIS Shows :
Dhoby Ghaut
1 minute
-----------------
Harbourfront
5 minutes
So he boards the DBG bound train and heads towards esplanade. Then when he arrives at esplanade, the other train arrives at the other platform, heading towards promenade. So he boards that train and reach his destination.
Lets show a scenario 2
Man B wants to get from Promenade to Esplanade
RATIS shows
Marina Bay
1 min
Dhoby Ghaut
5 minutes
So he boards the MRB bound train, then at BYF, he crossover to the other platform (DBG bound train) and heads towards his destination and vice versa from Esplanade.
This kind of frequency is needed if you don't want to screw up frequency. BTW, when the circle is close up? Then what's the route? Non-stop circle?
DTL
Kallang Line
I meant here.
The descend is too low and you won't have any codes from there onwards. No code = RM
So I was talking about this all the time
Others
You don't expect that place to be developed? Sad face, HDB might still giving themselves a facepalm for building HDB flats there. There were plans for a spur line from the NSL to Lim Chu Kang, but later scrapped. So, according to Samuel, No HDB flats or industrial areas = NO MRT
Thanks for the clarification, but I got a bigger question
CCL
Like you said, so far there is 40 trains for CCL, so unless they buy the trains now or a year later, if not where they got trains to do a through service? (It tooks years for them to get new trains and a CGL requires 21 C751Bs.)
BTW, when the circle is closed up, it will be a non-stop circle because, it is driverless!
Kallang Line
You mean the middle track in AMK descend too low (To curve under MRB tracks) that no codes are there = RM? I am not sure what you are trying to say, sorry for that.
Others
I dont expect that area to be developed, but oddly, HDB do classify LCK as a housing estate as well, despite the blocks were cleared in nearly 10 years ago. (Today, if you go to HDB hub and take a look on the map of Singapore, you will see and support this statement.)
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Originally posted by leo2010agendas:
People, this "Western Region Line (WRL)" is only a speculation. It may not be real in the future, or it may be a dream come true for the people living, working, and playing in the western side of Singapore.
To those suggesting the colour for the line: lime green, yellow, or cyan...might be possible in future.
Anyway, just wait for news of the future MRT network system unveiled by Sameul and myself, or other LTA Project Planners.In the meantime, putting myself in the shoes of LTA planners, and residents in western region Singapore, a re-edited version of the WRL:
WR1 NTU (Terminus)
WR2 Westwood
WR3 Jalan Bahar
WR4 Jurong West
WR5/EW26 Lakeside
WR6 Japanese Garden
WR7 Goh Keng Swee
WR8 Jalan Ahmad Ibrahim
WR9 Pandan Reservoir
WR10 West Coast Park
WR11 Science Park
WR12/CC25 Haw Par Villa
WR13/CC26 Pasir Panjang
WR14 Alexandra
WR15 Depot Road
WR16 Bukit Merah
WR17/EW17 Tiong Bahru
WR18/EW16/NE3 Outram Park
WR19 Cantonment Road
WR20 Anson Road
WR21 Maxwell
WR22 Cecil Street
WR23/NE5 Clarke Quay
WR24/DT20 River Valley
WR25 Fort Canning
WR26/NS23 Somerset
WR27 Devonshire
WR28 Orchard Boulevard
WR29/NS22 Orchard (Terminus)Status: 29 stations, first 11 stations to go either:
1) elevated or 2) similar to BSH NSL platform (ground level, in other words)
No.of stations interchanging with:
East West Line-2
North South Line-2
North East Line-2
Circle Line-2
Downtown Line-1
Thomson Line-0
Eastern Region Line-0WR12/CC25 Haw Par Villa
WR13/CC26 Pasir PanjangOn top of repeating (They cannot do cross level interchange like City Hall / Raffles Place), WR14 Alexandra requires a near 90 degree left curve = unlikely.
Most likely, it will go from Science Park - Kent Ridge - Alexandra. (I initally did said about terminating at Haw Par Villa and claimed the low chance of extending the line towards Keppel, but if I tweak the Haw Par Villa to Kent Ridge, it will become a straight line and becomes possible. Of course, the hilly terrain might be another issue.)
WR22 Cecil Street? It sounds DTL Stage 1 Telok Ayer.
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Originally posted by Samuel Lee:
Thanks for the clarification, but I got a bigger question
CCL
Like you said, so far there is 40 trains for CCL, so unless they buy the trains now or a year later, if not where they got trains to do a through service? (It tooks years for them to get new trains and a CGL requires 21 C751Bs.)
BTW, when the circle is closed up, it will be a non-stop circle because, it is driverless!
Kallang Line
You mean the middle track in AMK descend too low (To curve under MRB tracks) that no codes are there = RM? I am not sure what you are trying to say, sorry for that.
Others
I dont expect that area to be developed, but oddly, HDB do classify LCK as a housing estate as well, despite the blocks were cleared in nearly 10 years ago. (Today, if you go to HDB hub and take a look on the map of Singapore, you will see and support this statement.)
1) Its impossible to be a non-stop circle. Unless you wanna split ESP-DBG part.
2) When the tracks (From BSD) and the tracks (From AMK middle track) when it is about to converge, all tracks are almost deleted because the track converges into a single track entrance into BSD. In Depots, all codes are deleted for safety reasons. (What if TO accidentally press the ATO button for 3 seconds by accident and activate the ATO?)
3) Maybe, If i gt the time.
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@Dragonaxe: It will cost a lot of money if they want to make a loop...
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My 4th Re-edited version for WRL.
My re-re-edited suggestion for WRL:
Stage 1
WR1--Lim Chu Kang Terminal
WR3--Nanyang
WR4--Westwood
WR5--Pioneer Interchnage
WR6--Jurong Park
WR7--Corporation
WR8--Jurong Lake
WR9--Chinese Garden Interchange
WR10--Toh Guan
Stage 2
WR11--Jurong Town Hall(shell station,will not operate during service.)
WR12--Teban Gardens
WR13--West Coast
WR14--Pandan
WR15--University
WR16--Kent Ridge Interchange
WR17--Queensway
WR18--Alexandra
Stage 3
WR19--Redhill Interchange
WR20--Mount Faber
WR21--Telok Blangah Interchange
WR22--Keppel Terminal
WR2 is reserved for future use.
Hope rolling stock is from Alstom,hope line colour is Blue on system map.
Depot Location--Not Confirmed
Branchline services--Not Confirmed
Train Livery--As Long as they don't paint pink.
Planned sidings--I don't care
Special Services--Up to LTA/Operator
Others:They'd better screw the CSOs for this one. -
Fantasy thread? 0.o
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Originally posted by SBS7322B:
Fantasy thread? 0.o
Almost there.A bit more jealous people saying they want their own line will do it. -
can they extend the MRT line to the live firing area? I want in. Then no more firing area, become new towns.
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