erm thats is too deep ask eternal now to give the resource bahOriginally posted by Iker-X-of-Bodh:In the second highest heavenly stage of the Fine-Material World (rupa-loka), there is the stage of Unconscious beings (asaññasatta) where inhabitants possess mind but no body.
To reach the above mention states, one must at least reach Fourth Jhana in previous life.
Why could a body exits without the mind? Though Tenzin did explained before but would like to hear everyone's views.
No la, Tenzin should know betterOriginally posted by bohiruci:erm thats is too deep ask eternal now to give the resource bah
I think you made a mistake.Originally posted by Iker-X-of-Bodh:In the second highest heavenly stage of the Fine-Material World (rupa-loka), there is the stage of Unconscious beings (asaññasatta) where inhabitants possess mind but no body.
I think Iker-X-of-Bodh made a mistake, asannasatta beings have body but no consciousness (6 sense consciousness), not the other way round.Originally posted by LinYu:This stage is known as the astro-body stage. This is very similar to the out-of-body experience(OBE). You may have heard whereby someone in the operating theatre being operated but have experience whereby they were floating on top of the ceiling watching their body being operated on.
They were able to tell what happen in the operating theatre although there were suppose to be unconscious in the theatre after the operation.
One of the stages in the 4th jhana speaks of thus.
I have heard of my dad who told me that during one of his meditation session, he had experience whereby he saw himself sitting in a corner meditating. then he began to ask himself. if this is me sitting meditating, then who is that who sees him sitting meditating. Because of the attachment of body being "I", he actually came out of his mediation frighten.
Having spoken to his teacher after the experience, he was told that the untrained one would cling to the body as "I" therefore he did not understood the meaning of noself.
Even right now there is no 'I', so just let it goOriginally posted by Iker-X-of-Bodh:Yes indeed i made a mistake.
I meant a body without the mind.
I have to admit I must have clinb onto the 'I' a lot.
A realm where beings possess body but no mind frightened me when i first saw it!
Even right now there is no 'I', so just let it goHehe. That's right. By right, there is no 'I'. But now we all still believe (deep inside) it's by left. So shall we stay here for good as long as we believe that way.
I can't really give a very good answer, but this is what I told him earlier: It's not really a 'body' they are talking about there. They have a 'form' rather. Why no mind? It's because they lack certain constituents to allow us to refer it as mind. Remember what I said about the functions of the mind? If you take out 1 leg of a stool, could you still refer it as a stool by itself? It'll collapse with just 2 legs, how could that function as a stool anymore? As to what exactly is lacking, I'm clueless still.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Hmm, why dont Tenzin tell us the answer? We're interested to know
Oic...Originally posted by Tenzin:I can't really give a very good answer, but this is what I told him earlier: It's not really a 'body' they are talking about there. They have a 'form' rather. Why no mind? It's because they lack certain constituents to allow us to refer it as mind. Remember what I said about the functions of the mind? If you take out 1 leg of a stool, could you still refer it as a stool by itself? It'll collapse with just 2 legs, how could that function as a stool anymore? As to what exactly is lacking, I'm clueless still.
Don't take my words for it. Please take heed the Kalama Sutta and find out for yourself what it really is. The theoretical answer lies in the Tipitaka if you explore it well enough. On an experiencial level, you'll have to practise well enough.