is tkd/karate a self defense or sport?
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thinking if taking up some self defense...karate or tkd techniques better?
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karate! http://www.pbase.com/laoda/sg_selectionOriginally posted by devils_advocate82:thinking if taking up some self defense...karate or tkd techniques better? -
Both have their merits i think. But I prefer tkd. The stances are shorter, thus you would be more agile/ready to respond to your opponent/assailant's movements. Karate's stances are very wide, by the time you bring your leg to the front to kick the guy, the guy wld have gotten at you already (this is what my instructor demonstrated anyway hah).Originally posted by devils_advocate82:thinking if taking up some self defense...karate or tkd techniques better? -
i think both were originally for self defence, but most people seem to take it as a sport nowadays..such is the evolution..too much publicity is not good..
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Muaythai the most brutal & deadly sport in the World.............TKD pple eat kimchi..karate pple eat sushi...MT pple likes to eat rice...Spore also eat rice so must learn MT more compatible...hehehe
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TKD, if you are just limiting yourself to these 2 choices.
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Im sorry to say this but by the way you guys reply, i don't think you guys are martial artist. or at least experienced ones. no all Karate-kas have wide stances, Its about what style you train. If you are talking about self defence, Karate over TKD anytime. What good would spins + no hand combat do for u in an actual street situation.
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actually in street combat stance shld not be too wide, definitely not wider than 1.5 shoulder breath for mobility. A successful def depend on a lot of things like what skill your oponent use, long range or close range and so on. As long as u master a skill well and is able to make use of the skill advantages and get out of the opimum range of your attacker then u shld be relatively safe. Both Tkd and karate can be used for self def as long as u have a good instructor and u train well.
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actually hor, i always thought it was quite useless. because when u get attacked, u wont have time to think; you'll just kick and punch indiscriminately.
thats what my tuition teacher told me neways; she a TKD black belt.
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But for Karate, I definitely don't see how useful it could be, when strength is challenging strength. The stronger ones would win. Having hand combat can be risky as you are too near to your opponent. If you are using legs, at least there's enough room to separate you and your opponents. Of course, there's a chance that your opponent would grab your leg and cause you to fall off, but with proper training, you should be able to get up in time.Originally posted by Rynax:Im sorry to say this but by the way you guys reply, i don't think you guys are martial artist. or at least experienced ones. no all Karate-kas have wide stances, Its about what style you train. If you are talking about self defence, Karate over TKD anytime. What good would spins + no hand combat do for u in an actual street situation.
In a street situation, I am in the view that no matter how trained you are, you won't win. When a person is just anyhow throwing punches to injure you, you are thinking of ways to defend against his punches, which can throw you off balance anytime if you aren't fast enough. The best is still to run away. -
Karate has practical attacks and counter attacks which can be easily applied in street fights. You dont even have to think of doing it. Unlike TKD karate is about practicality, not patterns. Mayi, you have officially shown that you have no knowledge on martial arts whatsoever with what you have just said. I suggest you guys join MAP (Martial arts planet) forums and learn from real experienced people there.
I take offence in what you say, you are butchering the art by the things you are saying. You obviously haven't heard of the many stories of martial artists in singapore in dangerous situation example 1 v 6 and still owned the attackers.
If you say that i expect you to have no confidence in your art what soever. and if what you say is true, self defence is useless. -
Sad to say... Most debates on this forum ends halfway... It would be nice to see everyone's point of view...
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How come no one consider Chinese Wushu?? There are also many techniques to learn. Don't just limit to Karate or TKD. I mean both have their merits, but there are a lot more choices.
No matter in any style of martial arts, discipline, techniques and constant practise are needed to attain certain level of skills. Asking which is more useful is quite redundant. U should look into what is more suitable for urself. U must find a style that suits urself so that u will mantain constant practise through out.
Just quoting a verse that the great Bruce Lee once said:
Knowing is not enough, we must apply.
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dats panic!!!in a fight have to remain calm...u anyhow kick n punch onli wasting ur strength...wif little effect if there is.Originally posted by missqi:actually hor, i always thought it was quite useless. because when u get attacked, u wont have time to think; you'll just kick and punch indiscriminately.
thats what my tuition teacher told me neways; she a TKD black belt.
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no stance is the best i think. attack when theres an opening n def when ur been attacked. no forms beat forms
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if real fight.. most black belts wld say the same thing. RUN LA. fight for wad.
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and i am zhang san feng!!Originally posted by RaTtY8l:no stance is the best i think. attack when theres an opening n def when ur been attacked. no forms beat forms -
yeah but still u have to learn.Originally posted by RaTtY8l:no stance is the best i think. attack when theres an opening n def when ur been attacked. no forms beat forms
like lets say
u can start off with a muay thai kick to the knee n go into wing chun range then perform another muay thai elbow, then go into other forms of locks/take down.
so basically u still need to learn the same thing.
and i think TKD its a sport. cant really do anything in a real fight.
go JKD. pretty generalise u can kick in the groin, eye gouge.. pretty much anything goes.
but i dont think SG got any good JKD instructor oso hahah go MMA! -
Martial Arts train your mind to access situations when you really need to use Martial Arts .
Actually mentally you know what needs to be done, harmony brings peace.
Road bullies don't get far when they look into the eyes of a trained master. ( No Fear ).
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not really useless lah. when a person learns martial arts he/she not oni builds up his body, but also reflexes, endurance, co-ordination (some clumsy people will fall down if u ask them to kickOriginally posted by missqi:actually hor, i always thought it was quite useless. because when u get attacked, u wont have time to think; you'll just kick and punch indiscriminately.
thats what my tuition teacher told me neways; she a TKD black belt. ), etc etc... also will be better at delivering power (if kick no strength oso no use mah).
its always better to be trained, of coz as Sun-Tze said - zou wei shang ji (siam is still the best strategy)
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And confident. Sometimes confident is very important. If you are trained and confident of your skills, you already gain an upper hand.Originally posted by sgquitter:not really useless lah. when a person learns martial arts he/she not oni builds up his body, but also reflexes, endurance, co-ordination (some clumsy people will fall down if u ask them to kick ), etc etc... also will be better at delivering power (if kick no strength oso no use mah).
its always better to be trained, of coz as Sun-Tze said - zou wei shang ji (siam is still the best strategy) -
true. but sometimes a trained person can get so over-confident that he/she get into trouble. IMO, this can be the most dangerous "disadvantage".Originally posted by Hidden^OnE:And confident. Sometimes confident is very important. If you are trained and confident of your skills, you already gain an upper hand.
for e.g., there was a recent case of a black-belt ger in M'SIA who got raped and killed when she went jogging. could it be possible that she tried to take them on instead of running away?... -
Any skill will work if you are out to kill in the name of defence.
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A girl should always remember, most guys are still much stronger then she is.Originally posted by sgquitter:true. but sometimes a trained person can get so over-confident that he/she get into trouble. IMO, this can be the most dangerous "disadvantage".
for e.g., there was a recent case of a black-belt ger in M'SIA who got raped and killed when she went jogging. could it be possible that she tried to take them on instead of running away?... -
If you are interested to learn JKD, you can go to www.ijkd.com for more information. Sifu Mark Stewart IS in Singapore and his students have been training with him for almost 2 years.Originally posted by kopikid:yeah but still u have to learn.
like lets say
u can start off with a muay thai kick to the knee n go into wing chun range then perform another muay thai elbow, then go into other forms of locks/take down.
so basically u still need to learn the same thing.
and i think TKD its a sport. cant really do anything in a real fight.
go JKD. pretty generalise u can kick in the groin, eye gouge.. pretty much anything goes.
but i dont think SG got any good JKD instructor oso hahah go MMA!
This is not some "concept JKD" but the original.