is tkd/karate a self defense or sport?
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Definitely kyukushin karate. You will fight full-contact bare-knucke. I'm a TKD black belt, for self-defense TKD is useless. The objective in TKD is to score points by making loud "piak" sound on the opponent's body protector, not to do major damage so he can't continue to fight. Only kick that I'm scared of in TKD is the backthrust and turning kick to head. Most other kicks can be easily blocked or just don't do much damage at all. The axe kick or "slamming kick" is a total waste of time, I don't know why people even waste time on it.Originally posted by devils_advocate82:thinking if taking up some self defense...karate or tkd techniques better?
Most TKD teachers only teach TKD to make some money. The students can't fight for nuts. Most don't even fight in competitions themselves so what experience do they have to teach people how to fight.
Also, cannot kick to the legs, so what's the point? Leg kicks are one of the best tools in a street fight, if you kick hard enough, the guy will not be able to continue already. One kick is enough if the guy is not conditioned (99.99% of people). It will not kill him and will heal in time, so no major damage done.
If possible go and learn muay thai lah. Muay thai is the best. -
I think there are different kinds of karate, shotokan, kyukushin etc. This is not true for kyukushin karate, it is very effective for fighting and will kick most TKD people's butt. If dun believe ask your instructor to go to a kyukushin school and try to spar with the students there.Originally posted by pandemonium:Both have their merits i think. But I prefer tkd. The stances are shorter, thus you would be more agile/ready to respond to your opponent/assailant's movements. Karate's stances are very wide, by the time you bring your leg to the front to kick the guy, the guy wld have gotten at you already (this is what my instructor demonstrated anyway hah).
Can go to youtube to do a search. Although my background is TKD I will readily admit that my art sucks. -
Actually MT fighters don't eat rice, MT fighters eat TKD and karate people for lunch and dinner.Originally posted by Advante_101:Muaythai the most brutal & deadly sport in the World.............TKD pple eat kimchi..karate pple eat sushi...MT pple likes to eat rice...Spore also eat rice so must learn MT more compatible...hehehe -
Not true. Let's say I know you are a TKD trained guy. I understand TKD. All I have to do is to circle around to your outside of your lead leg so that I can close with you. Once I've got you in a clinch, what're you going to do to me?Originally posted by NewAge:Both Tkd and karate can be used for self def as long as u have a good instructor and u train well.
Crescent kick me in the face? You don't even have the space.
While I elbow and hook/uppercut you or headbutt you and knock you out? Street fights are not like ring fights, fighters don't attack and back off to test each other or to score points, they rush you and pummel you with no let-off. When you're angry you don't care if you're being punched or kick, you just wanna get at that sonofagun. That's the diff between ring fights and street fights, in a street fight there is anger and malice, in a tournament there is none.
TKD will be totally useless at the clinch range. You'll fight like you train. -
I think you've never been in a street fight before? There are real arts where skill will negate strength. Like BJJ. A high-ranking girl will have her way with you once she gets you to the ground. No matter how strong you are its useless, because when she gets you into certain positions there's just nothing your strength is going to do for you.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:But for Karate, I definitely don't see how useful it could be, when strength is challenging strength. The stronger ones would win. Having hand combat can be risky as you are too near to your opponent. If you are using legs, at least there's enough room to separate you and your opponents. Of course, there's a chance that your opponent would grab your leg and cause you to fall off, but with proper training, you should be able to get up in time.
In a street situation, I am in the view that no matter how trained you are, you won't win. When a person is just anyhow throwing punches to injure you, you are thinking of ways to defend against his punches, which can throw you off balance anytime if you aren't fast enough. The best is still to run away.
Also the theory that it's better to use legs than hands, in a street fight, the person will just rush you, the most you can only get ONE kick in, then it's all hands from then on. Like I said, it's not a ring fight, once they close with you, they don't back off and circle you like in a ring fight. They come in and pummel and pound and punch.
Get up in time, once you fall, he'll be all over you, stomping on your ankles, wrists, groin, face, etc. There is no chance for you to get up unless you are familiar with grappling skills and know how to protect yourself on the ground. A good BJJ player is even dangerous on the ground even if you're standing up if its a one-on-one fight. -
totally agree with u. I've had enough of TKD and chinese kungfu (except for sanda)..Originally posted by NoRiceBoys:I think you've never been in a street fight before? There are real arts where skill will negate strength. Like BJJ. A high-ranking girl will have her way with you once she gets you to the ground. No matter how strong you are its useless, because when she gets you into certain positions there's just nothing your strength is going to do for you.
Also the theory that it's better to use legs than hands, in a street fight, the person will just rush you, the most you can only get ONE kick in, then it's all hands from then on. Like I said, it's not a ring fight, once they close with you, they don't back off and circle you like in a ring fight. They come in and pummel and pound and punch.
Get up in time, once you fall, he'll be all over you, stomping on your ankles, wrists, groin, face, etc. There is no chance for you to get up unless you are familiar with grappling skills and know how to protect yourself on the ground. A good BJJ player is even dangerous on the ground even if you're standing up if its a one-on-one fight.
I've seen TKD blackies being knocked out by Muay Thai amateurs. Theres no way u can win a fight using ur legs alone. Getting sick of TKD black belts thinking so highly of themselves... -
I tot KungFU is only good on TV?
Nowadays people use ZhanDouLi , 10,000pts ?
Wake up lah Martial Arts Kids, Get into international arenas 1st then spam all you like . People are not masters because of what style they are in.
People are masters because they trained themselves to be masterful in their own arts and mind and body. -
It's sad the way chinese martial arts has come, I think the problem is in the way they train. Doing forms, punching and kicking the air, no sparring or using of modern and scientific training methods, always sticking to tradition and never improving...Originally posted by o0Nite0o:totally agree with u. I've had enough of TKD and chinese kungfu (except for sanda)..
I've seen TKD blackies being knocked out by Muay Thai amateurs. Theres no way u can win a fight using ur legs alone. Getting sick of TKD black belts thinking so highly of themselves...
When I watch the conditioning that shaolin monks do, I can just imagine how solid CMA must have been in the olden days.
I think there must be lots of sound concepts in CMA, thousands of years of wars and highly intelligent people modifying and improving it, all that has been lost in the last few hundred years...
Perhaps with china opening up, someone will re-discover the real CMA again. -
Technically, if the person has muscle memory, whatever blows that come out are deadly.Originally posted by devils_advocate82:dats panic!!!in a fight have to remain calm...u anyhow kick n punch onli wasting ur strength...wif little effect if there is.
Next, I admire Oyama Mas, founder of the Kyokushin style of karate. The worst of training should be the 100 man kumite... The grading test for black belts... -
It can be both, lethal moves like throat/groin strikes can be used on the streets but lethal moves are barred from contests.