Internal Energy Art - how powerful can it get?
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Originally posted by NoRiceBoys:
Why don't you go down to mayi's club and ask his master for a demonstration?
Where did you hear this kinda stories? -
See this master of chi who can knock down people with his chi! This is ultimate "chi kung!" He has been training long time and has soooooooo many students (how can so many people be wrong right).
See his chi kung in action against a Sambo fighter! Watch out Sambo fighter, because you're going to get thrown through the wall by chi and he's going to kill you!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I
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More "chi" stuff in theory and explaination:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M--P8Wex3M
Chi stuff tested in the real world:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1ykNZ7rAcw
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His master was not the one posting here leh.Originally posted by Skibi:Why don't you go down to mayi's club and ask his master for a demonstration? -
Don't you think my original post sounds like some of the stuff people are posting here? I'm just trying to be sarcastic, but guess I fail at that....Originally posted by Darkness_hacker99:Soooo many loop holes..
NoRiceBoys's A*s can print money issit? Then he's rich?
10 Years?
Make someone impotent by breathing on him?
If he looked at you and you can fly to Batam, then the aeroplane is for what?
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It's called a knee to the nuts.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Make someone impotent actually is not impossible, but not by breathing... you need to disrupt his body's internal energy... -
Originally posted by NoRiceBoys:
It is better to seek demonstration from a master who knows how to control the amount of force rather than students like us. In this way you can experience how powerful the internal energy art is without getting hurt.
His master was not the one posting here leh.
Karate is different from internal energy arts because they apply brute force. Most of the karate people hands are often rough and calloused, but an internal energy master's one is not. Even though both can chop thru wood, bricks etc... So far I haven't heard of karate able to chop metal, but those Xiaolin Monks can do it. -
Skibi,Originally posted by Skibi:It is better to seek demonstration from a master who knows how to control the amount of force rather than students like us. In this way you can experience how powerful the internal energy art is without getting hurt.
Karate is different from internal energy arts because they apply brute force. Most of the karate people hands are often rough and calloused, but an internal energy master's one is not. Even though both can chop thru wood, bricks etc... So far I haven't heard of karate able to chop metal, but those Xiaolin Monks can do it.
I hate to break it to you, but there's a lot of scams and trickery in the martial arts circle. Especially CMA. You're an educated man, you will understand what I mean.
Even in TKD, you know what we used to do to the wooden blocks before we kick them? We soak them in water to get them water logged, then put them out in the hot sun to make them super brittle. Not much force is needed to break them.
For some other materials like bricks, they will make small stress fractures on it before the breaks, like doing what I just described, or else there's a hollow in the centre part where it's weaker than the rest. Or you can also saw a bit on the ends to make it break there.
AFAIK, karate doesn't do all these bullcrap, they're real hardcore one so I respect them. They don't "chuo shou jiao" to the things they break, they train their body till they can break them.
On chopping metal, think about it. What kind of metal do you assume it is? Metal can be hard (and brittle) or tough (and malleable). You can make steel very very brittle by introducing a very high carbon content, heating it up then dunking it in oil or water to cool it rapidly. Steel in this state is very brittle and contain tiny stress fractures in it.
In the normal steel manufacturing process, you follow this process by annealing. You heat the steel up, then let it cool at a controlled temperature to let the steel molecules arrange themselves in a stable matrix, this takes out the brittleness in the steel.
If you don't anneal it the steel is very hard, but very very brittle. I will even break just by dropping it from a man's height on a floor and a part of it hit's something. The longer you make it, the easier it will be to break it.
See this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2EQWCpnIR8
If you think what the monks are breaking is normal steel that's been manufacturered in the normal way, I'll bet money for them to replicate it with steel of my choosing.
You know that's just not possible. Bone, no matter how dense, will never be harder than high carbon steel manufactured in the correct way. Think logically for a second and you will know what I say is true.
This is just one area of making you believe in the impossible, because you're assuming the steel is normal, when it is not. There are lots of others. -
Skibi,Originally posted by Skibi:It is better to seek demonstration from a master who knows how to control the amount of force rather than students like us. In this way you can experience how powerful the internal energy art is without getting hurt.
Just out of curiousity, how did the "Master" demonstrate his chi to you? What exactly did he do to make you believe he had chi? -
Mayi jie jie is wrong again on certain points of Muay Thai. Yes, Muay Thai does grapple and knee but the knee is appearing on the opposite side of the grapple. Hence, your counter-strike will not hit the opponent at full strength as the Muay Thai practitioner will twist his body to knee from the other side and your strike will not hit his centreline. Of course, he will not try the same trick twice so you better make that first counter count.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Really. Provided that they don't kicks... qigong works best when the distance between an opponent is very short.
Nobody will stand there for you to hit... it's one of the rules that allowed us to easily defeat them... they have a habit of grabbing people by the neck, pull them close and using their knees to hit us... so before they strike, we strike first.
As I said, internal energy works best at close distance, that one is near enough to deliver a fatal punch if the practitioner chooses to. -
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"Bricks don't hit back".
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Dear NoRiceBoys,
If u want to test out XingYi or TaiJi in a real fight go to China and scold the respective master ancestors they will gladly fight u. U can also ask to spar with the Yi Quan people in Beijing and Japan they spar freely. A nearer place to test out respective chinese martial art will be Ipoh or KL, heard the clubs there still accept challenges.
Seriously i do not know why those ppl learning internal martial art do not participate in K1 fights. I myself is not even near the door of TaiJi. I reccomand that u go to sgwutan and post this Q.
Yours sincerely,
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Dear NewAge,Originally posted by NewAge:Dear NoRiceBoys,
If u want to test out XingYi or TaiJi in a real fight go to China and scold the respective master ancestors they will gladly fight u. U can also ask to spar with the Yi Quan people in Beijing and Japan they spar freely. A nearer place to test out respective chinese martial art will be Ipoh or KL, heard the clubs there still accept challenges.
Seriously i do not know why those ppl learning internal martial art do not participate in K1 fights. I myself is not even near the door of TaiJi. I reccomand that u go to sgwutan and post this Q.
Yours sincerely,
NewAge
I have no interest in challenging anyone practicing Xing Yi or Taiji to a fight. They did not claim superhuman power on this forum. From what I know of Taiji (not the type practiced by old folks, but the actual martial art), it is a form of grappling, with joint manipulation and joint locks and throws. From what I see, it can work. High probability? Realistic training methods? IMO, no. There is no active resistance in the way it is practiced (from videos I've seen). Shuai jiao on the other hand, will work very well.
I only ask that people claiming to have supernatural power to back up their claim. That's all. From what I hear, James Randi's offer of US$1 million dollars still stands if you can prove publicly that your superhuman power exists. Sure beats teaching class in communitiy centres don't you think?
Why not ask the masters in the countries you named to take part in K1 and challenge Buakaw Por Pramuk? Or Kaew Fairtex? Or Bas Rutten? Or if you need a nearer location, just sign up at Lumpinee in Bangkok.
A master should challenge another master, shouldn't he? Beating me, a mere student, will be a joke and will make said master a laughing stock even if he could win (emphasis on the word "if"), don't you think?
And Buakaw has never given himself the title "master" so your masters should be able to clean the floor with him easily. Or kill him with one punch when he attempts to clinch and throw knees.
Posting this on SgWutan will achieve nothing but to anger people who practice CMA. What does that achieve if we want to find out the truth of the matter, which is, does chi kung give a person supernatural powers?
Unless the objective is to rally other practitioners to bully me into silence, then what ends does that achieve? What do you as a practitioner (if you are one) gain from that? Continue living in delusion?
On the other hand, I gain totally nothing by holding on to my stand. My only objective, is to help new comers to martial arts know what they're getting themselves into, with both eyes open, and not waste their time and money on something that I know will not be as effective, when there are much better alternatives available.
But if this board is for the sole purpose of promoting a certain martial art or group of martial arts, for commercial purposes, disguised as a forum for all martial artists to discuss their views freely, then I will gladly take my leave. -
Originally posted by NewAge:
The most important requisite for learning any internal energy art to a high level is that of virtue.
If u want to test out XingYi or TaiJi in a real fight go to China and scold the respective master ancestors they will gladly fight u. Seriously i do not know why those ppl learning internal martial art do not participate in K1 fights.
Yang(most common) represent heat and anger. If learnt to a high level without virtue to counter its effects, it will result in the person becoming increasingly violent and explosive. Thus to achieve success one must cultivate the virtue of benevolence and forgiveness. Otherwise the yang energy will be uncontrollable and may cause serious damage to the person and others.
Thus a high master will not fight a person simply because he got scolded nor participate in K1 fights. He has already cultivated a high degree of virtue. An internal energy art practioner who fights at the drop of a hat is probably a low level student. -
Well not everyone who learn internal martial arts training like to fight it out . Most of them are just for self defence which fits into the ethnics and moral values of those who know . If everyone were to learn martial arts just so that they can fight with others to see who is stronger , there will be lots of fighting and mayhem in the streets and due you think you will dare to let your children , wife or gf walk in the streets alone ? Even if they were not be involved in fighting , but they may get hurt by other pples duels also . There are some pple who are sore loser even though lose to you in a fair match , get revenge onto your family members who are less trained then you .
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Skibi,Originally posted by Skibi:The most important requisite for learning any internal energy art to a high level is that of virtue.
Yang(most common) represent heat and anger. If learnt to a high level without virtue to counter its effects, it will result in the person becoming increasingly violent and explosive. Thus to achieve success one must cultivate the virtue of benevolence and forgiveness. Otherwise the yang energy will be uncontrollable and may cause serious damage to the person and others.
Thus a high master will not fight a person simply because he got scolded nor participate in K1 fights. He has already cultivated a high degree of virtue. An internal energy art practioner who fights at the drop of a hat is probably a low level student.
Just stick with me for a second. Don't take offense, just think in my line of thought.
If I were marketing something that I knew was not as good as other products, or even blatantly untrue, and I knew I would be open to challenges to back up my claims, what would be the logical choice to make to shield myself from such challenges, and still be able to retain my students?
Wouldn't it be to think up some reasons why I cannot be challenged, or asked to back up my claims? Such as one should be virtuous and benevolent when practicing this art and should never accept challenges?
In my experience in the martial arts, it is the very people who compete, and enter the ring to fight, who have the most "virtue". Most of them that I know are humble, peaceful people, and are respectful people on and off the ring. It is the people who do not fight, who are the politicians. They politick, backbite and backstab in an attempt to politick themselves into a position of power within the national martial arts structure, for the sake of money. This has been my personal experience. Throw money and "face" into the equation and then see where all this talk of virtue and benevolence goes, I'm sure you'll be surprised.
I agree with you on benevolence, forgiveness and all that. It makes a good person. However, if you're practicing a martial art for self defense, don't you think it'll be logical to test it out in as real an environment as possible, against as wide a sample of opponents as possible, to verify the truth of your theories? Before you need it?
And there is no loss of virtue to enter a competition to compete. It is a sport. There is no malice or anger at all. Anger will sap you of your stamina and will take away your ability to think, and if you go into a ring angry and swinging wildly, it'll be your ticket to a fast knockout. Every trained fighter knows that.
Virtue is also associated with courage. The masters of old that we respect are all courageous people. Huo Yuanjia is one example. And he was not averse to accepting challenges. Which is why he became good in the first place.
Not testing out your theories is like designing and installing airbags in cars and then not testing them in a real crash, or monitoring how they performed in the real world and then refining them. You would never know that airbags will kill little children, or that they'll fail to fire in certain circumstances, or if the force is too strong, or the airbag deploys too slowly etc. etc. -
TWE,Originally posted by TWE:Well not everyone who learn internal martial arts training like to fight it out . Most of them are just for self defence which fits into the ethnics and moral values of those who know . If everyone were to learn martial arts just so that they can fight with others to see who is stronger , there will be lots of fighting and mayhem in the streets and due you think you will dare to let your children , wife or gf walk in the streets alone ? Even if they were not be involved in fighting , but they may get hurt by other pples duels also . There are some pple who are sore loser even though lose to you in a fair match , get revenge onto your family members who are less trained then you .
I never said it is to fight it out with others to say who's stronger. My intention of entering the ring is self-discovery. To discover for myself what works and what does not. And experienced fighters are one of the last people to want to get into fights (another misconception from people who don't fight?), and this has been the case in my circle of friends, who are all competitors.
Getting revenge on family members for losing a match? This is the 22nd century. There is no such thing happening. Unless it were some blood feud among chi kung practitioners that I'm unaware of.
Most people who fight in the ring become friends afterwards, and exchange tips and even train together. There is no hard feelings, and it is a very positive environment. Most of the posturing and attitude is done before the fight to psyche your opponent, but is not malicious.
If I were buying a gun to defend myself, say, in South Africa, would I just walk into a gun shop and buy the first gun presented to me? Or buy one because I "think" it's good?
No, if my life and safety depended on it, I'd go research on the stopping power of the various calibres of catridges, research which gun has a good record of working, of not jamming or misfiring on the first shot and is accurate in the distance I'm working with etc.
So if your martial art is for self-defense, what difference is it? Don't you want to find out how it'll work on the real world? Or will you just take the word of the gun-dealer (in this case your martial arts teacher) who gets the highest commission for pushing the gun to you?
The ring is one of the most honest places in the martial arts. It can be rigged, but most often it's honest. You cannot lie about effectiveness, or theories. The truth comes out in the ring. If you're lousy, you get beaten. If you don't train hard, you get beaten. If your art and techniques don't work, you get beaten.
And everyone sees it. There is no lying to be done in the ring. -
How about challenging me? I havn't even taken any formal training but I can bet I can still kick your butt.Originally posted by NoRiceBoys:Dear NewAge,
I have no interest in challenging anyone practicing Xing Yi or Taiji to a fight. They did not claim superhuman power on this forum. From what I know of Taiji (not the type practiced by old folks, but the actual martial art), it is a form of grappling, with joint manipulation and joint locks and throws. From what I see, it can work. High probability? Realistic training methods? IMO, no. There is no active resistance in the way it is practiced (from videos I've seen). Shuai jiao on the other hand, will work very well.
I only ask that people claiming to have supernatural power to back up their claim. That's all. From what I hear, James Randi's offer of US$1 million dollars still stands if you can prove publicly that your superhuman power exists. Sure beats teaching class in communitiy centres don't you think?
Why not ask the masters in the countries you named to take part in K1 and challenge Buakaw Por Pramuk? Or Kaew Fairtex? Or Bas Rutten? Or if you need a nearer location, just sign up at Lumpinee in Bangkok.
A master should challenge another master, shouldn't he? Beating me, a mere student, will be a joke and will make said master a laughing stock even if he could win (emphasis on the word "if"), don't you think?
And Buakaw has never given himself the title "master" so your masters should be able to clean the floor with him easily. Or kill him with one punch when he attempts to clinch and throw knees.
Posting this on SgWutan will achieve nothing but to anger people who practice CMA. What does that achieve if we want to find out the truth of the matter, which is, does chi kung give a person supernatural powers?
Unless the objective is to rally other practitioners to bully me into silence, then what ends does that achieve? What do you as a practitioner (if you are one) gain from that? Continue living in delusion?
On the other hand, I gain totally nothing by holding on to my stand. My only objective, is to help new comers to martial arts know what they're getting themselves into, with both eyes open, and not waste their time and money on something that I know will not be as effective, when there are much better alternatives available.
But if this board is for the sole purpose of promoting a certain martial art or group of martial arts, for commercial purposes, disguised as a forum for all martial artists to discuss their views freely, then I will gladly take my leave.
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what the fuck.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:You have to practise it to know it... and practice isn't the key word.
Relaxing the body is very important. If your body isn't relaxed, no point practising it...
I don't know what's called powerful. I can only describe what I feel.
At the basic level (about a few months after you start), you will be able to feel energy flowing. If someone of the opposite sex is near you, he/she may complain of some weird feelings. Also, at this level, your hands will get warm during practising.
Over the years, when there is "enough" energy, you must be very careful when hitting people. Even a friendly pat. Once I accidentally pat too hard on someone... the person jumped up in pain.
Even more powerful ones... got to find master le... -
owl want to fuck mayi jie jie? Be careful she send you flying away first.Originally posted by the.owl:what the fuck.
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
is she hawt?
owl want to fu[b]ck mayi jie jie? Be careful she send you flying away first. [/b] -
She got 6 legs to kick your nuts with.Originally posted by the.owl:is she hawt? -
Originally posted by NoRiceBoys:
I believe you are referring to "sparring". Sparring is good because it allows a person to improve his technique.
TWE,
I never said it is to fight it out with others to say who's stronger. My intention of entering the ring is self-discovery. To discover for myself what works and what does not. And experienced fighters are one of the last people to want to get into fights (another misconception from people who don't fight?), and this has been the case in my circle of friends, who are all competitors.
Getting revenge on family members for losing a match? This is the 22nd century. There is no such thing happening. Unless it were some blood feud among chi kung practitioners that I'm unaware of.
Most people who fight in the ring become friends afterwards, and exchange tips and even train together. There is no hard feelings, and it is a very positive environment. Most of the posturing and attitude is done before the fight to psyche your opponent, but is not malicious.
If I were buying a gun to defend myself, say, in South Africa, would I just walk into a gun shop and buy the first gun presented to me? Or buy one because I "think" it's good?
No, if my life and safety depended on it, I'd go research on the stopping power of the various calibres of catridges, research which gun has a good record of working, of not jamming or misfiring on the first shot and is accurate in the distance I'm working with etc.
So if your martial art is for self-defense, what difference is it? Don't you want to find out how it'll work on the real world? Or will you just take the word of the gun-dealer (in this case your martial arts teacher) who gets the highest commission for pushing the gun to you?
The ring is one of the most honest places in the martial arts. It can be rigged, but most often it's honest. You cannot lie about effectiveness, or theories. The truth comes out in the ring. If you're lousy, you get beaten. If you don't train hard, you get beaten. If your art and techniques don't work, you get beaten.
And everyone sees it. There is no lying to be done in the ring.
To clarify some things:
Internal energy is simlar to the physical strength of a bodybuilder. If an accomplished bodybuilder like Mr Ronie Coleman used his full strength he can crush all your bones and do serious injury no matter how much protective gear you use.
Thus although sparring is encouraged, use of internal energy during sparring is frowned upon as the aim is to improved technique and not to injure or harm others. I think fencing is the same... you just tap your opponents vital areas with the tip to win the match. -
If internal strength gets you through your sparring partner's defence, is it a legal technique?Originally posted by Skibi:I believe you are referring to "sparring". Sparring is good because it allows a person to improve his technique.
To clarify some things:
Internal energy is simlar to the physical strength of a bodybuilder. If an accomplished bodybuilder like Mr Ronie Coleman used his full strength he can crush all your bones and do serious injury no matter how much protective gear you use.
Thus although sparring is encouraged, use of internal energy during sparring is frowned upon as the aim is to improved technique and not to injure or harm others. I think fencing is the same... you just tap your opponents vital areas with the tip to win the match. -
I give up. Please carry on.Originally posted by Skibi:I believe you are referring to "sparring". Sparring is good because it allows a person to improve his technique.
To clarify some things:
Internal energy is simlar to the physical strength of a bodybuilder. If an accomplished bodybuilder like Mr Ronie Coleman used his full strength he can crush all your bones and do serious injury no matter how much protective gear you use.
Thus although sparring is encouraged, use of internal energy during sparring is frowned upon as the aim is to improved technique and not to injure or harm others. I think fencing is the same... you just tap your opponents vital areas with the tip to win the match.
Edited to add: I guess folks like Mike Tyson, Matt Hughes, Mas Oyama, Bas Rutten, Buakaw, Fedor and Cro Cop are all limp-wristed soggy buscuits compared to bodybuilders.
I shudder at the level of delusionment and stupidity demonstrated on this forum.
I take my leave.......