wardriving legal in singapore???
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i have a question for you lovely net geeks in singapore....
is wardriving legal in your part of the world?
what is wardriving???
wardriving in simple terms is sniffing out in a car open wireless access points via suitable programs (such as netstumbler etc) ..
but i guess you all knew that already ;-)
See ya
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can someone explain more wad is it abt??.....hahaz.....
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hey hiphop,Originally posted by hiphop2009:can someone explain more wad is it abt??.....hahaz.....
curiositiy... because i was wondering....
wikipedia :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wardriving
Simsy -
Originally posted by SubaruGirl:
I believe the act itself is not an offence...the offence is only when U login to an unsecured connection...even worse if U hack in secured connections.
i have a question for you lovely net geeks in singapore....
[b]is wardriving legal in your part of the world?
what is wardriving???
wardriving in simple terms is sniffing out in a car open wireless access points via suitable programs (such as netstumbler etc) ..
but i guess you all knew that already ;-)
See ya
Simsy[/b] -
I'm not too sure for Singapore. The laws aren't clear, but one thing is clear: you are not supposed to piggyback on their network if you stumbled onto one. If the owner finds out, he can report you to the police and you can be charged.
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n the person i quoted does it tooOriginally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:I'm not too sure for Singapore. The laws aren't clear, but one thing is clear: you are not supposed to piggyback on their network if you stumbled onto one. If the owner finds out, he can report you to the police and you can be charged.
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Hehe, free one ma. Besides, I piggyback on legal ones which allows me to. All polytechnics and universities allow my laptop to use it and McDonalds also. Starbucks, Coffebean also allows me that. So, I am doing legal stuff, not illegal stuff.Originally posted by alexkusu:n the person i quoted does it too 
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im not talking bout that...Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Hehe, free one ma. Besides, I piggyback on legal ones which allows me to. All polytechnics and universities allow my laptop to use it and McDonalds also. Starbucks, Coffebean also allows me that. So, I am doing legal stuff, not illegal stuff.
im talking bout neighbours who live in a 25m radius around u -
the act becomes criminal when you attempt and achieve unpermitted access into a network.
mere detection and mapping is not an offence. -
Yes, I can detect all their networks, in fact, no locks.Originally posted by alexkusu:im not talking bout that...
im talking bout neighbours who live in a 25m radius around u
Well, not all are usable, if you want to know. Because I went to test it. But I can't find out their addresses, because I don't use NetStumbler. -
My friend once ran into a unsercue wireless network. The owner obviously knows nothing about how easy people can access it. Other than not putting a WEP protection, he didn't even change his router's configuration page password.
My friend login to his router by punching in the default password for that brand of wireless router, and changed the setting to block the owner out. Now though the internet connection and wireless router are in somebody else house, my friend is the only one who can access the router and internet.
That victim obviously needed some help. Coz all he has to do is press the reset button on his router, and surprise surprise, my friend had been using the connection for 1 week now. -
report police quick!!!!!!!!Originally posted by chenc:My friend once ran into a unsercue wireless network. The owner obviously knows nothing about how easy people can access it. Other than not putting a WEP protection, he didn't even change his router's configuration page password.
My friend login to his router by punching in the default password for that brand of wireless router, and changed the setting to block the owner out. Now though the internet connection and wireless router are in somebody else house, my friend is the only one who can access the router and internet.
That victim obviously needed some help. Coz all he has to do is press the reset button on his router, and surprise surprise, my friend had been using the connection for 1 week now. 
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will the owner of the wireless network knows whether anyone is using his network or not??...i mean...can he find out who uses it?...
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hmm...if memory never fail me...i think my lecturer once said...wardriving is illegal in singapore..
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very gian ben lei...like bully the uninformed and taking advantage...Originally posted by chenc:My friend once ran into a unsercue wireless network. The owner obviously knows nothing about how easy people can access it. Other than not putting a WEP protection, he didn't even change his router's configuration page password.
My friend login to his router by punching in the default password for that brand of wireless router, and changed the setting to block the owner out. Now though the internet connection and wireless router are in somebody else house, my friend is the only one who can access the router and internet.
That victim obviously needed some help. Coz all he has to do is press the reset button on his router, and surprise surprise, my friend had been using the connection for 1 week now. -
War driving should be illegal, you're stealing someone's bandwidth. However, due to the fact on how war driving works, unless the victim is an IT expert, they are unlikely to be able to trace who is the war driver, and if the victim is an IT expert, you wouldn't be able to war drive into his network in the first place, so I guess the conclusion is that although war driving is illegal, but you're unlikely to be caught and even if you are, it shouldn't be a harsh punishment.
In certain areas, there are people who drive a vehicle, van most of the time and fitted a high strength signal dish for the purpose of war driving and it can detect networks within certain miles, depending on how powerful their dish is.
Right now, broadband is so freely available in Singapore that I don't think it's worth the time. It's definitely cheaper to subscribe to your own broadband than spending on the petrol money. But of course back in the older days, broadband prices were high and it helps saving if you know where to get it. That's why people do war driving.
Right now if I wanted internet, I could hop to macdonalds or something. But macdonald internet speed normally is crawling like a snail. It's like going to macdonald to watch a show on a 21 inch tv when you could have watch it on a 42 inch tv at home. -
if i recall correctly, wireless networks can be logged like wired networks are, just depends on how the wireless network was set up in the 1st place...Originally posted by mhcampboy:will the owner of the wireless network knows whether anyone is using his network or not??...i mean...can he find out who uses it?...
but having said that the best form of stopping people taking over a wireless network.. is to make sure it was secure in the 1st place ;-)
prevention is better than cure as they say....
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Yes, consult your router's manual. The IP address assigned to him will be known, MAC address etc. But who exactly and the exact location of that user piggybacking on his network is rather impossible, unless the owner is very tech-savvy himself. And by that I mean, illegal ways to know.Originally posted by mhcampboy:will the owner of the wireless network knows whether anyone is using his network or not??...i mean...can he find out who uses it?... -
Half correct. You can disable broadcast SSID, MAC address, but if that particular SSID and MAC address is what the wardriver wants to trace, your router will still response. Anyway, wardriving is not about using bandwidth, it doesn't take up any bandwidth in fact. It just sends out request to your router, and your router will reply if it's there. Usually disabling of SSID and MAC address broadcasting would solve it, provided the wardriver didn't set a particular SSID and MAC address to find.Originally posted by DailyFreeGames.com:War driving should be illegal, you're stealing someone's bandwidth. However, due to the fact on how war driving works, unless the victim is an IT expert, they are unlikely to be able to trace who is the war driver, and if the victim is an IT expert, you wouldn't be able to war drive into his network in the first place, so I guess the conclusion is that although war driving is illegal, but you're unlikely to be caught and even if you are, it shouldn't be a harsh punishment.
In certain areas, there are people who drive a vehicle, van most of the time and fitted a high strength signal dish for the purpose of war driving and it can detect networks within certain miles, depending on how powerful their dish is.
Right now, broadband is so freely available in Singapore that I don't think it's worth the time. It's definitely cheaper to subscribe to your own broadband than spending on the petrol money. But of course back in the older days, broadband prices were high and it helps saving if you know where to get it. That's why people do war driving.
Right now if I wanted internet, I could hop to macdonalds or something. But macdonald internet speed normally is crawling like a snail. It's like going to macdonald to watch a show on a 21 inch tv when you could have watch it on a 42 inch tv at home. -
Why would anyone want to surf and drive at the same time? Sounds ridiculous to me.
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Because surf and drive is legal.
You can't talk and drive, (handphone one hand, another hand on steering wheel)
You can't drink and drive (drink alcohol first, drive later) -
Half correct on which point... I re-read my points and yours, but I don't know which one you referring to. And they don't actually drive and surf at the same time, they just drive through places and the data on which places has the network is logged until the war driver maybe reach home, then he read through the logs. I don't really know why they wanted these data anyway.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Half correct. -
Originally posted by DailyFreeGames.com:Half correct on which point... I re-read my points and yours, but I don't know which one you referring to. And they don't actually drive and surf at the same time, they just drive through places and the data on which places has the network is logged until the war driver maybe reach home, then he read through the logs. I don't really know why they wanted these data anyway.
However, due to the fact on how war driving works, unless the victim is an IT expert, they are unlikely to be able to trace who is the war driver, and if the victim is an IT expert, you wouldn't be able to war drive into his network in the first place, so I guess the conclusion is that although war driving is illegal, but you're unlikely to be caught and even if you are, it shouldn't be a harsh punishment.
What you said.