Reasons not to get Vista
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Well, you are right in a sense. No need to go into technical details for this, you will find out in due time.Originally posted by BadzMaro:but the original copy also ma.. just that its packed with trojans , backdoor softwares , spywars n the stuff.. since it has access and can allow open connection to master servers to change files accordingly to themselvs right ?
damn the internet. Now our computer also kana controlled. But i dun think they have the power to shut down all pirated copies ? China for instance.. how ?
So long as greed exists, there's no way anything will get shut down. Money is power as people says.
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The reason to avoid and not to.Originally posted by the Bear:reason not to get vista: it's from Microsoft
that's all the reason you need
Microsoft is trying to screw the user as much as possible by calling their locks and everything "security"
thing is, since when was Microsoft things ever secure?
5 years after the launch of XP, they're still patching it.. and they have unleashed Vista on the unsuspecting world.. which i have already written, they were preparing a service pack before the launch...
i wonder what next?
you and you alone can use the PC and no one else? Microsoft will find out why someone else is using your PC and destroy it?
Security through obscurity is what experts hate most. By thinking that Mac and Linux aren't popular and won't be attacked is naive.
As time passes, when people are sick and tired of cleaning up their PCs and formatting and stuff, they will switch. When enough users switch over, attackers will switch over too. The main aim of attack is to gain, not to lose.
Statistically, Windows performed worse off. How about switching their roles? They would probably perform just as bad. Firefox is already the live sample for us to see. More and more attacks are targeted against Firefox users, using tools as simple as JavaScript. -
1) No matter how linux try to as user-friendly as possible, there still command-line and certain stuff you still have to remember, there's no escape for it. For normal PC user, why would they want to take their time to remember since they can use microsoft windows which they are used to and have been using it for all this time. As you have know, when humans are comfortable with certain things, they wouldn't want to change it unless there is really a reason to.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:1) Linux and Mac are as user-friendly as the others. That's no excuse. Two problems hit them - hardware drivers and softwares. Since these two aren't the major OSes on market, not many hardware developers will develop drivers for these two platforms. When you run into problems, you know where where to look.
2) There are workarounds for this. Still, not an excuse.
3) Linux only use is not just for server. It has other purposes (excluding desktops).
4) When MS cease support, who says you can't use XP? You still can. If you are a safe surfer, nothing will bring you down. If you aren't, then the advice would be to get another OS (security through obscurity) or get Vista.
5) That's if the PC is from some company. If you build one yourself, you can still use other OS.
6) That's a crap reason. Linux and Mac are known to be more stable than Windows, yet people still choose Windows. Why? As stated in your first reason. Humans are one lazy creature and don't like changes. When they get used to one thing, they would hardly want to change. Tell me, do you use the Dvorak keyboard or Qwerty keyboard? The Dvorak keyboard is better in all ways, yet not many people choose to use it.
Anything will be as secure as you want it to and anything will be as stable as you want it to if everything is left to default. The problem is, we don't. We are curious bunch of creatures, who wants to find out more things which leaves us with rubbish to clear. We are always seeking improvements, tweaking this and that spoils our PCs.
2) Yup there is a workaround for window software and games for example using winetools, however it is not 100% workable.
3) Yup not only on servers, in smartphones, some entertainment hardwares too and some other non-complicated devices.
4) Yup, even if microsoft cease support for Win XP, normal user can still continue to use it, however if loopholes were to be found then it will be god bless them. Yea you can say hackers will target vista by then, but do you think companies will take the risk? Definitely not. Besides, as time goes people will surely change their computers, whether is it computer breakdown or those hardcore gamers, and this is when Win vista will comes with it. Don't forget computer you buy now will become outdated in a few years, maybe 3 years.
5) Yup if PC is from manufacturers definitely it will comes with vista. However like I said earlier if Win XP ceased support, microsoft will not release Win XP anymore, do you think those custom PC will still be able to get XP? I predict after the next few months to about a year from now, you will not see Win XP in the SG market anymore (Not sure about the net though). Besides, if people gotten themselves a new PC, there will be no reason for them to get outdated software anymore isn't it?
6) Finally, we will not escape from microsoft cluthes unless someone invent a more user-friendly (Hardware support, software support - Linux?), easy to use (no complicated setup - Linux?) and better interface (click and click - Linux?). Indeed Linux have better security for now (not much hackers and virus attack Linux for now but in future?).
7) Yup, Linux do have a XP look-alike desktop, however it is still kinda complicated for normal user, not as straightforward as microsoft desktop. -
Ok ok, windows is the best in the world alright? Continue enjoying your windows while I suffer using Mac OS X.Originally posted by furb:1) No matter how linux try to as user-friendly as possible, there still command-line and certain stuff you still have to remember, there's no escape for it. For normal PC user, why would they want to take their time to remember since they can use microsoft windows which they are used to and have been using it for all this time. As you have know, when humans are comfortable with certain things, they wouldn't want to change it unless there is really a reason to.
2) Yup there is a workaround for window software and games for example using winetools, however it is not 100% workable.
3) Yup not only on servers, in smartphones, some entertainment hardwares too and some other non-complicated devices.
4) Yup, even if microsoft cease support for Win XP, normal user can still continue to use it, however if loopholes were to be found then it will be god bless them. Yea you can say hackers will target vista by then, but do you think company will take the risk? Definitely not. Besides, as time goes people will surely change their computers, whether is it computer breakdown or those hardcore gamers, and this is when Win vista will comes with it. Don't forget computer you buy now will become outdated in a few years, maybe 3 years.
5) Yup if PC is from manufacturers definitely it will comes with vista. However like I said earlier if Win XP ceased support, microsoft will not release Win XP anymore, do you think those custom PC will be able to get XP still? I predict after the next few months to about a year from now, you will not see Win XP in the SG market anymore (Not sure about the net though). Besides, if people gotten themselves a new PC, there will be no reason for them to get outdated software anymore isn't it?
6) Finally, we will not escape from microsoft cluthes unless someone invent a more user-friendly (Hardware support, software support - Linux?), easy to use (no complicated setup - Linux?) and better interface (click and click - Linux?). Indeed Linux have better security for now (not much hackers and virus attack Linux for now but in future?).
7) Yup, Linux do have a XP look-alike desktop, however it is still kinda complicated for normal user, not as straightforward as microsoft desktop. -
yeah... until then
what i wonder about is why corporations don't use Linux.. they'd rather throw millions at MicrosoftOriginally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:The reason to avoid and not to.
Security through obscurity is what experts hate most. By thinking that Mac and Linux aren't popular and won't be attacked is naive.
As time passes, when people are sick and tired of cleaning up their PCs and formatting and stuff, they will switch. When enough users switch over, attackers will switch over too. The main aim of attack is to gain, not to lose.
Statistically, Windows performed worse off. How about switching their roles? They would probably perform just as bad. Firefox is already the live sample for us to see. More and more attacks are targeted against Firefox users, using tools as simple as JavaScript. -
Well, I'm not quite happy with the way vista works, however currently there is still no OS that can push it back in term of software, hardware support and user-friendlyness. Well I hope I see the day where microsoft worry about it throne just like how Intel and AMD fought.Originally posted by SexyChin:Ok ok, windows is the best in the world alright? Continue enjoying your windows while I suffer using Mac OS X. -
1) If you are just a casual Linux user, there's no way you will touch command prompt. I've never touch Linux command prompts just to use some programs. But if you are into tweaking and doing other things, then yes, you will touch it.Originally posted by furb:1) No matter how linux try to as user-friendly as possible, there still command-line and certain stuff you still have to remember, there's no escape for it. For normal PC user, why would they want to take their time to remember since they can use microsoft windows which they are used to and have been using it for all this time. As you have know, when humans are comfortable with certain things, they wouldn't want to change it unless there is really a reason to.
2) Yup there is a workaround for window software and games for example using winetools, however it is not 100% workable.
3) Yup not only on servers, in smartphones, some entertainment hardwares too and some other non-complicated devices.
4) Yup, even if microsoft cease support for Win XP, normal user can still continue to use it, however if loopholes were to be found then it will be god bless them. Yea you can say hackers will target vista by then, but do you think company will take the risk? Definitely not. Besides, as time goes people will surely change their computers, whether is it computer breakdown or those hardcore gamers, and this is when Win vista will comes with it. Don't forget computer you buy now will become outdated in a few years, maybe 3 years.
5) Yup if PC is from manufacturers definitely it will comes with vista. However like I said earlier if Win XP ceased support, microsoft will not release Win XP anymore, do you think those custom PC will be able to get XP still? I predict after the next few months to about a year from now, you will not see Win XP in the SG market anymore (Not sure about the net though). Besides, if people gotten themselves a new PC, there will be no reason for them to get outdated software anymore isn't it?
6) Finally, we will not escape from microsoft cluthes unless someone invent a more user-friendly (Hardware support, software support - Linux?), easy to use (no complicated setup - Linux?) and better interface (click and click - Linux?). Indeed Linux have better security for now (not much hackers and virus attack Linux for now but in future?).
7) Yup, Linux do have a XP look-alike desktop, however it is still kinda complicated for normal user, not as straightforward as microsoft desktop.
2) Not 100% foolproof, but at the very least, you could run something.
4) As I said, everything is only as safe as you want it to be. Nothing is better than your brain. Surely not everyone is just as rich to change their PCs when something breaks down. Some will just change the part that spoils, others will go for a full change. Also, the definition of upgrading is different for everybody. For some, it means a full change, right from hardware to software. For others, it's "I want this part, I want that part". Changing parts alone is enough to keep up with the technology.
5) Yes, you will still be able to get them, within a year after MS drop supports for their products. Retailers won't be so dumb to throw them away, as they cost money. Over on the Net, there are even versions of Windows 95. So nothing is impossible.
Even if they get new PCs, it doesn't mean they shouldn't get outdated software. True, new softwares will have better features. But that doesn't mean old ones should be discarded. Besides, there are addons to these old programs, which means new features in old programs. Won't really lose out.
6) Hardware support in Linux is limited, that I agree. However, some Linux fans have decided to go against that and have produced OSes that are compatible with your hardware.
The notation that Linux is hard to install is gone, especially for popular distros. Mandrake, Ubuntu, Debian, etc all have a GUI. They even have a partitioning wizard, which is a slider, to indicate how big you want a partition is. Not typing in numbers like for Windows installation. For popular distros, it's a point and shoot thing. No more command line interface.
Linux does have better security, not because it's not as popular, it's the way Linux is programmed. All users by default, are not administrators. No matter what, all users will need to create a password.
And don't forget, because it's open-sourced, many people are hacking it. It releases updates faster when bugs are found. Just as many people are hacking it, as many people are fixing it. Just using Firefox as example, it can be updated as many as 4 times per month, unlike IE, which is once per month.
There's no such thing as registry in Linux, which complicates matters, like in Windows.
7) I would beg to differ. You've got to try out one of the popular distros out there. It's much more easier than you think. Mandrake, Ubuntu, Debian, Xubuntu, Puppy, PC Linux, Slynux, Linux-XP are some of the more popular ones and they are easy to use. -
Stereotyping is at work.Originally posted by the Bear:yeah... until then
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Hmm...Originally posted by SexyChin:Ok ok, windows is the best in the world alright? Continue enjoying your windows while I suffer using Mac OS X.
Mac OSX isn't that bad. Didn't take me long to figure out how to use it, but don't give me their mouse. I had a hellish time trying to figure out the mouse. -
yeah.. the mouse is one thing microsoft and the other fellas got right.. i don't like the mouse either but you have to admit, it looks goodOriginally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Hmm...
Mac OSX isn't that bad. Didn't take me long to figure out how to use it, but don't give me their mouse. I had a hellish time trying to figure out the mouse. -
I dumped my Mighty Mouse for the touchpad. Mighty Mouse does not feel good as compared to other mice.
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Yeah... it looks nicer than any other mouse, but other than that, I couldn't think of anything better.Originally posted by the Bear:yeah.. the mouse is one thing microsoft and the other fellas got right.. i don't like the mouse either but you have to admit, it looks good -
some cooperation are turning to MAC.. and they use mac desktopOriginally posted by the Bear:yeah... until then
what i wonder about is why corporations don't use Linux.. they'd rather throw millions at Microsoft -
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some cooperation are turning to MAC.. and they use mac desktop
no pic but then u can go CSCC in clementi
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Cannot play OPengl games.. such as Counter strike 1.6
. today just found out...my graphic driver is radeon 9600 SE
source: http://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894
737-25524: Catalyst Control Center: OverDrive May Not Function as Expected Under the Windows Vista Operating System When Running an OpenGL Application
The information in this article applies to the following configuration(s):
Catalyst Control Center: OverDrive
Radeon® X1650 series
Radeon® X1600 series
Windows Vista 32bit Edition
Windows Vista 64bit Edition
Symptoms
OverDrive may not function as expected under the Windows Vista operating system when running an OpenGL application.
Solution
Currently, there is no solution.
ATI Engineering has been advised of this issue and is investigating it. Any updates will be published when they become available.
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however leh, DIGG said (almost 1 year ago) that Vista allowed Opengl incooperate in Vista
source :http://www.digg.com/tech_news/Microsoft_finally_enables_OpenGL_Windows_Vista_support -
Microsoft has gone too far....
The Open Source Consortium (OSC) has slammed the BBC over plans to lock online TV viewers into Microsoft products.
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well, what did you guys think when Bill Gates went into the console business?
he was going to introduce HIS set top where he would monopolise your gaming, your internet, your communications, your everything.. how you connected to the TV, how your entertainment system would be like, everything..
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lol u make him sound like a hackerOriginally posted by the Bear:well, what did you guys think when Bill Gates went into the console business?
he was going to introduce HIS set top where he would monopolise your gaming, your internet, your communications, your everything.. how you connected to the TV, how your entertainment system would be like, everything..
all will be controlled by Microsoft..
btw... this one is even too far...critizing other people's company like Mac..
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he isn't a hacker.. he's behaving like a zaibatsu... the hostile destruction of all competition leaving one giant corporation where everyone is dependent on..Originally posted by manyu882:lol u make him sound like a hacker
btw... this one is even too far...critizing other people's company like Mac..
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Bill Gates IS a hacker (in the past).
Anyway, at the rate MS is going, it will not force us get it, only reject.
This is getting far too bad. -
alright.. it's time to boycott ms products. who's with me?Originally posted by the Bear:well, what did you guys think when Bill Gates went into the console business?
he was going to introduce HIS set top where he would monopolise your gaming, your internet, your communications, your everything.. how you connected to the TV, how your entertainment system would be like, everything..
all will be controlled by Microsoft.. -
i agree. who ever dominates the OS market will get all the attacks. so in a way its gd to let MS take all the sh!tOriginally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:The reason to avoid and not to.
Security through obscurity is what experts hate most. By thinking that Mac and Linux aren't popular and won't be attacked is naive.
As time passes, when people are sick and tired of cleaning up their PCs and formatting and stuff, they will switch. When enough users switch over, attackers will switch over too. The main aim of attack is to gain, not to lose.
Statistically, Windows performed worse off. How about switching their roles? They would probably perform just as bad. Firefox is already the live sample for us to see. More and more attacks are targeted against Firefox users, using tools as simple as JavaScript. -
me! it is time we dont conform to their arrogance!Originally posted by YI:alright.. it's time to boycott ms products. who's with me? -
when i've the time la..Originally posted by YI:alright.. it's time to boycott ms products. who's with me? now i testing Vista... next i'll test sun solaris.. most proabably after 2 years before i go NS i should be able to test finish almost all OS.