XP on Santa Rosa?

• deathscythe99

  6 Jul 07, 17:00

  Is it possible?
  
  Some sales guy @ SLS just told me it cant be done...while I'd agree that the new chipset is built with Vista in mind, cant I format away the previous OS and install XP??
• ndmmxiaomayi

  6 Jul 07, 17:02

  As long as the copy of XP is brand new, meaning that it has not been activated before.
• deathscythe99

  6 Jul 07, 19:26

  Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:

  As long as the copy of XP is brand new, meaning that it has not been activated before.

  Hmm u mean if it has been activated before...I cant...?
• ndmmxiaomayi

  6 Jul 07, 19:59

  Originally posted by deathscythe99:

  Hmm u mean if it has been activated before...I cant...?

  Yup. Microsoft has a clause in Vista that you can't revert back to XP, even if the copy is legitimate.
  
  This applies to upgraded copies of Vista. That means an activated copy of XP will break this clause.
  
  By using an unactivated one, we can hopefully try to bypass this clause.
• ceecookie

  6 Jul 07, 20:02

  Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:

  Yup. Microsoft has a clause in Vista that you can't revert back to XP, even if the copy is legitimate.
  
  This applies to upgraded copies of Vista. That means an activated copy of XP will break this clause.
  
  By using an unactivated one, we can hopefully try to bypass this clause.

  is the clause equalavant to a law and lest break it will become illegal and unactivated?
• ndmmxiaomayi

  6 Jul 07, 20:05

  Originally posted by ceecookie:

  is the clause equalavant to a law and lest break it will become illegal and unactivated?

  It doesn't break a law, however, it breaks Microsoft's terms and conditions.
  
  This clause is very anti-competitive anyway.
• deathscythe99

  6 Jul 07, 20:06

  Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:

  Yup. Microsoft has a clause in Vista that you can't revert back to XP, even if the copy is legitimate.
  
  This applies to upgraded copies of Vista. That means an activated copy of XP will break this clause.
  
  By using an unactivated one, we can hopefully try to bypass this clause.

  ...
  
  TMD MS.
  
  
  
  Anyway to get around this since I CANNOT use vista for my programs??
• deathscythe99

  6 Jul 07, 20:08

  Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:

  It doesn't break a law, however, it breaks Microsoft's terms and conditions.
  
  This clause is very anti-competitive anyway.

  Ya...
  
  It's like telling u 'cos u buy this one, u can't buy another
• ndmmxiaomayi

  6 Jul 07, 20:11

  Originally posted by deathscythe99:

  ...
  
  TMD MS.
  
  
  
  Anyway to get around this since I CANNOT use vista for my programs??

  Well, as I've said, you could try an unactivated copy of Windows XP to bypass it. Chances are that it won't allow, because there are some detection codes which detects it.
  
  My way will be to get a Linux distribution (any one will do), format and install Linux. After this, reformat again and install XP (using a previous legitimate copy that you have to save the money buying).
  
  That way, Vista will be gone for good.
• ceecookie

  6 Jul 07, 20:12

  Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:

  It doesn't break a law, however, it breaks Microsoft's terms and conditions.
  
  This clause is very anti-competitive anyway.

  After beaking Microsoft's TOC,what will happen?No more windows update and suchs for the XP OS?
• deathscythe99

  6 Jul 07, 20:14

  Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:

  Well, as I've said, you could try an unactivated copy of Windows XP to bypass it. Chances are that it won't allow, because there are some detection codes which detects it.
  
  My way will be to get a Linux distribution (any one will do), format and install Linux. After this, reformat again and install XP (using a previous legitimate copy that you have to save the money buying).
  
  That way, Vista will be gone for good.

  Hmms...using Linux to install.
  
  Great...now I've to find Linux
• deathscythe99

  6 Jul 07, 20:16

  Wait...then 1 question.
  
  If u format ur HDD, cant u immediately install XP?
  
  Unless u're saying Intel did something to the Santa Rosa...
• ndmmxiaomayi

  6 Jul 07, 20:30

  Originally posted by ceecookie:

  After beaking Microsoft's TOC,what will happen?No more windows update and suchs for the XP OS?

  Legit copy... most probably will be able to update... provided you are able to install first.
• ndmmxiaomayi

  6 Jul 07, 20:32

  Originally posted by deathscythe99:

  Wait...then 1 question.
  
  If u format ur HDD, cant u immediately install XP?
  
  Unless u're saying Intel did something to the Santa Rosa...

  Nothing to with Intel. It's just Vista. They don't allow XP to be installed once Vista is installed...
• deathscythe99

  6 Jul 07, 20:46

  Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:

  Nothing to with Intel. It's just Vista. They don't allow XP to be installed once Vista is installed...

  Hmms.
  
  So anyone tried before?
• deathscythe99

  6 Jul 07, 20:54

  Originally posted by deathscythe99:

  Hmms.
  
  So anyone tried before?

  I think this works
  
  http://apcmag.com/5485/dualbooting_vista_and_xp
  
  Use at own risk
• ndmmxiaomayi

  6 Jul 07, 21:01

  Originally posted by deathscythe99:

  Hmms.
  
  So anyone tried before?

  I did that. It's the longest way, but also the guaranteed way. Sure work. Remove Vista without it detecting XP then install XP.
• ndmmxiaomayi

  6 Jul 07, 21:03

  Originally posted by deathscythe99:

  I think this works
  
  http://apcmag.com/5485/dualbooting_vista_and_xp
  
  Use at own risk

  It isn't impossible... Windows 2000 onwards can dual boot 2 copies of Windows without problems.
  
  My school laptop got 3 copies of XP on one laptop. No big deal.
• deathscythe99

  7 Jul 07, 00:53

  Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:

  I did that. It's the longest way, but also the guaranteed way. Sure work. Remove Vista without it detecting XP then install XP.

  Hmm..
  
  So the problems would be of drivers rite?
  
  On a laptop...wont it be worse?
• LazerLordz

  7 Jul 07, 00:56

  That's why I will never use Vista. It's too much of a hassle.
  
  Limits my choices as a user/consumer.
  
  When XP support draws down, I'm moving over full time to OS X.
• deathscythe99

  7 Jul 07, 08:28

  Originally posted by LazerLordz:

  That's why I will never use Vista. It's too much of a hassle.
  
  Limits my choices as a user/consumer.
  
  When XP support draws down, I'm moving over full time to OS X.

  Hmm...
  
  What if I get a Macbook, install windows there? Will applications like Autocad and Matlab for Windows work??
• LazerLordz

  7 Jul 07, 11:40

  Originally posted by deathscythe99:

  Hmm...
  
  What if I get a Macbook, install windows there? Will applications like Autocad and Matlab for Windows work??

  Yes, why not. It's not emulated, because you will be running XP natively.
• deathscythe99

  7 Jul 07, 12:11

  Originally posted by LazerLordz:

  Yes, why not. It's not emulated, because you will be running XP natively.

  Hmm.
  
  Hope I get a disc on Macbook if possible.
  
  So I can install XP (windows version I bought??)
• ndmmxiaomayi

  7 Jul 07, 12:44

  Originally posted by deathscythe99:

  Hmm..
  
  So the problems would be of drivers rite?
  
  On a laptop...wont it be worse?

  If you don't want Linux, just take out the XP disc and format away Linux and install XP.
  
  And drivers problems are just too problematic for Linux. It takes way too long. Even cleaning out viruses in Windows is way faster.
  
  On a laptop, it actually won't be so bad. Because most hardware are integrated, so the detection rate is high. In fact, I hardly ever need to install drivers on Linux for a laptop, because there's no need to. For a PC, it's another issue.
• ndmmxiaomayi

  7 Jul 07, 12:50

  Originally posted by deathscythe99:

  Hmm...
  
  What if I get a Macbook, install windows there? Will applications like Autocad and Matlab for Windows work??

  Use Bootcamp.
  
  Autocad doesn't work on Mac, however, Matlab does.
  
  http://www.mathworks.com/support/sysreq/current_release/macintosh.html