[UCL] (Semi Finials) Manchester United v AC Milan *2nd Leg*
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Originally posted by ghimpheng:A thrashing and penalty shootout is a big difference =D and morever consider that man utd got the lead
But was Chelsea's 4-1 penalty shootout lost to Liverpool a lost?
Face the reality. Chelsea and United didn't make the cut and they're out.
Also, like Sand King mentioned, Chelsea was also leading in the 1st leg.
Cheers.
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aiya man utd lose liao come and rub it in. if win can say lucky bla bla bla. whatever... not like chelski won. a loss is a loss, be it penalties or thrashing....
childish man... ok so chelski is so great its a cut above all the rest ok? -
muz be hiddin in room dun dare on com when chelsea lose... now man u lose come kp again... lol.. still dare say is die hard chelsea fan... more like glory hunter...Originally posted by imprezaWRXSTi22B:aiya man utd lose liao come and rub it in. if win can say lucky bla bla bla. whatever... not like chelski won. a loss is a loss, be it penalties or thrashing....
childish man... ok so chelski is so great its a cut above all the rest ok? -
As for the 2 semi finals , the two better teams won . Fair & Square .
Mu's lost ... the turning point is when Rio Ferdinand is injured . If not .... the defense would be must better .
One strange thing ... why didn't Alex Ferguson sent someone to keep a check on Kaka from the start ? Knowing from first leg Kaka can destroy a team single handedly .
Dunno if Ferguson saw our 2005 match against Milan ?
During 2005 Final ,Rafa sent Hamann to keep track on Kaka .... and solve our problems .
Rafa saw what Kaka can do to destroy us , indeed 3-0 , Kaka sent us into the tunnel , puzzled !!! -
be abit gracious, the results don't lie.Originally posted by ghimpheng:A thrashing and penalty shootout is a big difference =D and morever consider that man utd got the lead
MUFC is out, so MUFC need to prepare for next assault.
If you want to still stick your head in the sand, go ahead. -
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2007200580,00.html
MUFC fans read this and it paints a good picture.
MUCH has been made of Manchester UnitedÂ’s disastrous away form in the Champions League over the last three seasons.
This came to a head with the sound 3-0 thrashing administered by AC Milan at the San Siro on Wednesday.
Their record since a 2-1 win at Dinamo Bucharest in the third qualifying round of the 2004-2005 season reads: P14, W3, D3, L8.
But it has been going on for far longer than that.
Since they beat Bayern Munich at the Nou Camp in 1999, the on-the-road stats are: P49, W16, D12, L21.
Even when they reached the quarter-final in 2002-2003, they still managed to lose five of their eight away games.
Two seasons earlier, they won just one out of seven outside Old Trafford.
Meanwhile, they have been almost invincible at home.
Ask United fans the reason for this conundrum and they say Alex Ferguson and his team give home sides far too much respect.
This, then, will come from the manager.
While Ferguson will rightly receive massive plaudits when his side finally nail down this seasonÂ’s title, there can be little argument he has lost his way in the Champions League.
Just two semi-final appearances in eight seasons is bad enough. Even more damning, they have won only three knockout-stage ties since 1999 — two of them this season.
Had any other manager of a top European side had this on his
CV he would have been sacked long ago.
ItÂ’s all very well producing sides that are cavalier and score bundles of goals on their own ground but they have to be far more tactically astute in more challenging settings.
Milan boss Carlo Ancelotti hit the nail on the head when he said before the game at Old Trafford: “No disrespect to United — but everyone knows the way they play.”
With United, there is no plan B.
And if it is going to be all-singing, all-dancing, all-out attack then United need both a holding midfield player and some imposing central defenders.
Their last accomplished pairing was Jaap Stam and Ronny Johnsen and even that was limited to when Johnsen was fit.
Then Ferguson suddenly offloaded Stam.
A variety of reasons was given but the Dutchman was still good enough to be playing for AC Milan in the Champions League final four seasons later.
Since then there have been a variety of players filling in — Laurent Blanc, David May, Wes Brown, Henning Berg and John O’Shea among them.
Now United feel they have found the perfect combination in Rio Ferdinand and Nemanja Vidic.
In the Premiership, perhaps. In Europe, the jury is still very much out.
PAIN IN THE RAIN ... United's Rooney is dejected at the San Siro
PAIN IN THE RAIN ... United's Rooney is dejected at the San Siro
While Milan can still produce their most impressive result of the season without Paolo Maldini, United have lost at FC Copenhagen (with Ferdinand/Silvestre), Celtic (Ferdinand/Vidic), Roma (Ferdinand/Brown) and now AC (Vidic/Brown).
In previous years, United were at their best when Nicky Butt was shoring things up in front of the back four and Roy Keane charging forward. It wasnÂ’t faultless but
it still allowed the touch players to perform.
Butt’s record post-99 was P17, W8, D4, L5 — with three of those defeats coming in the quarter-finals.
Now, though, United are losing at places you could never imagine in the old days — Lille and Copenhagen chief among them.
So the likely arrival of Owen Hargreaves in the summer will be a welcome addition to the staff.
Ferguson often claims that United’s European defeats have been down to “fractions”. Not on Wednesday, though.
On drawing Milan for the second time in three seasons, he made a big point of saying both Wayne Rooney and Cristiano Ronaldo were not ready for it two years ago.
This week, sadly, they looked further away than ever. That goes for the manager as well.
And it illustrates my point perfectly. -
man u have never been good in europe.
a very good statistic to prove it.
how many times have they won the premiership?
many many times!!!
how many times during that period have they won the CL?
ONLY ONCE!!! -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/6618267.stm
Another Champions League campaign is over for Manchester United - and there can be no excuses.
United's Milan mauling saw them tumble out of the competition at the penultimate hurdle 3-0 on the night and 5-3 on aggregate.
Sir Alex Ferguson, the United manager, was understandably downbeat during his 15-minute press briefing in the bowels of the San Siro stadium.
He generously applauded Milan's enterprise, fitness and professionalism and was gracious in defeat.
Ferguson's respect for Milan coach Carlo Ancelotti meant he did not stoop low enough to mention the fact that Milan were originally thrown out of the Champions League after the probe into match-fixing in Serie A last July.
Uefa later back-tracked and allowed Milan to take part in the money-spinning tournament after an appeal.
They can now look forward to facing Liverpool in Athens on 23 May and in their current form, many neutrals will tip them to gain revenge on the Reds following the astonishing 2005 final which ended with the European Cup back at Anfield.
For United, it's a case of dusting themselves down and finding the energy to mount a League and FA Cup Double.
AC Milan beat United 1-0 both home and away on their way to the final two years ago - results that prompted Ferguson to conclude his young team was not mature enough to prosper on the European stage.
He was asked the same question again on Wednesday by an Italian journalist who politely asked what United's excuse for failing was this time round.
Ferguson reiterated several times that AC Milan had grown up together in recent years and in the likes of Clarence Seedorf have more know-how on the biggest of stages.
"My team lack the type of experience AC Milan have gained. That type of experience can't be dismissed. We have to keep the team together and grow the team like Milan have done," insisted the United boss.
United have not been convincing away from home for several years in Europe now. You have to go back to the Ryan Giggs-inspired win in Juventus four years ago for the last time United really impressed away from Old Trafford in the competition.
That isn't good enough and at least the signs of improvement have been present this season, though Cristiano Ronaldo in particular was below par against Milan.
Ryan Giggs
A tired Giggs was not able to inspire United in difficult conditions
What United do need is more depth to their squad and Ferguson needs to halt the recent slump in form of defender Gabriel Heinze who was all at sea in the San Siro.
Challenging on more than two fronts has cost United and Chelsea dear this week.
Ferguson is unhappy with the lack of help from the Premier League but he refused to blame their exit entirely on their busy schedule.
He added: "We have a very tough league in England and we have been using the same set of players over and over again in the last few weeks, but I can't be categoric about whether that's the reason for the defeat.
"We should be coping better. We cut our own throats and I have no complaints."
United must overcome these growing pains quickly if they are to reward Ferguson with a second European Cup before he steps down from the Old Trafford hot seat.
Perhaps the expected introduction of Owen Hargreaves next season will give United more nous and solidity when they most need it. -
you must understand i am just following suit to giga and angukway or wateverOriginally posted by tarcki:muz be hiddin in room dun dare on com when chelsea lose... now man u lose come kp again... lol.. still dare say is die hard chelsea fan... more like glory hunter...
and i did post @ liverpool forum if u did not see then
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GP, why must follow?Originally posted by ghimpheng:you must understand i am just following suit to giga and angukway or watever
and i did post @ liverpool forum if u did not see then -
now we all know why Chelsea aren't awarded penalties,, they wouldn;t have converted it anyway...waste of time stoppage.. "PLAY ON!! SAYS THE REF..Originally posted by CKeer:
But was Chelsea's 4-1 penalty shootout lost to Liverpool a lost? -
I'm sure that isn't the reason.....Originally posted by 4getmenot:now we all know why Chelsea aren't awarded penalties,, they wouldn;t have converted it anyway...waste of time stoppage.. "PLAY ON!! SAYS THE REF.. -
I know this is old but I just found it
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well, I admit, MUFC lost to a better team.
however, alot of "what ifs" floating around...
what if all MUFC team were ready & available??
what if Scholes doesn't have a yellow and he gets to go full force?
maybe, we could have given Milan a better fight.
May Lose, but never mind, at least got good fight.
maybe this season is not to be then.