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Monday is considered either the first or second day of the week, between Sunday and Tuesday. It gets its name from the Moon, which in turn gets its name from Mani (Old English Mona), the Germanic Moon god. Similarly, the Italian name (lunedi), the French name (lundi) and the Spanish name (lunes) come from the Latin name for the moon, Luna.
Tuesday is considered either the second or the third day of the week, between Monday and Wednesday. The word "Tuesday" comes from Middle English Twisday, from Old English Tiwes dæg, a rendering of Latin Martis dies. The English and Scandinavian names are derived from the Nordic god Tyr (in Old English, Tiw, Tew or Tiu. In Swedish, Tisdag, Danish: Tirsdag, Finnish: Tiistai and in Norwegian: Tirsdag.) Tyr was the Norse equivalent of the Roman war god Mars, hence Martis dies ("Mars's day" ).
Wednesday is considered either the third or the fourth day of the week, between Tuesday and Thursday. The name comes from the Middle English Wednes dei, which is from Old English Wodnes dæg, meaning the day of the Germanic god Woden who was a god of the Anglo-Saxons in England until about the 7th century AD. Wodnes dæg is like the Old Norse Othinsdagr ("Odin's day" ), which is an early translation of the Latin dies Mercurii ("Mercury's day" ).
Thursday, according to ISO 8601, is the fourth day of the week, falling between Wednesday and Friday. In countries that adopt the Sunday-first convention, it is considered the fifth day of the week. (see Days of the week for more on the different conventions.) The contemporary name Thursday comes from the Old English Þunresdæg, meaning "Day of Thunor", this being a rough Germanic equivalent to the Latin Iovis Dies, "Jupiter's Day."
Friday is the fifth day of the week, falling between Thursday and Saturday. In countries that adopt a Sunday-first convention, it is commonly considered the sixth day of the week. (see Days of the week for more on the different conventions.) The name Friday comes from the Old English frigedæg, meaning the day of Frige, the Germanic goddess of beauty, with similar cognates existing in most Germanic languages. The word for Friday in most Romance languages is derived from the name of Venus (vendredi in French, venerdi in Italian, viernes in Spanish, vineri in Romanian etc.), while in Germanic languages it is named after Freya (Freitag in Modern German, vrijdag in Dutch, fredag in Swedish, Norwegian, Danish etc.) .
Saturday is the seventh (sixth in some countries) day of the week, between Friday and Sunday. It is the only day of the week to retain its Roman origin in English, named after the Roman god of time Saturn, calling it dies Saturni, "Saturn's Day". Many of the other days of the week adopted names of Saxon gods in Northern Europe, in Anglo-Saxon. There also exists a possibility that the modern English form derives from Anglo-Saxon 'Saeter daegv', as Saeter "Saturn" was regarded as a correlary of Loki by Northern Germanic peoples.
Sunday is traditionally the first day of the Judaeo-Christian seven-day week, between Saturday and Monday, and the second day of the weekend in some cultures. It is considered a holiday in lands of Christian tradition, and is the day when most Christians attend Church.
In some countries, including most of Eastern Europe, Sunday is held to be the last day of the week as they consider Monday the first day of the working week. In others, including the United States, Canada, and in parts of Africa it is seen as the first day, a traditional view derived from ancient Jews, Egyptians and the Holy Roman Empire.
Above quoted from Wikipedia.
The origin of days can hardly be considered Hebrew. Sure, the 7-day week concept is mentioned in Genesis, but the naming of the days as we know them now can be viewed as paganistic.
Should we then revert to the Hebrew way of calling the days? Might be possible for some, but how practical can it get in our dealings with the world? -
Originally posted by Chin Eng:
highlight mine... sunday is the what? FIRST day for the Judaeo and CHRISTIAN seven day week.
[b]Sunday is traditionally the first day of the Judaeo-Christian seven-day week, between Saturday and Monday, and the second day of the weekend in some cultures. It is considered a holiday in lands of Christian tradition, and is the day when most Christians attend Church.
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According to any of the dictionaries that you care to look up, it says that sunday is the first day of the week...
When are we to keep shabbat? on the seventh day. so when is the seventh day? Saturday. -
Here's where I like to present views from all angles...... it's not that I did not notice that statement. I choose to put everything out in the open whether I agree with it or not.Originally posted by breytonhartge:highlight mine... sunday is the what? FIRST day for the Judaeo and CHRISTIAN seven day week.
According to any of the dictionaries that you care to look up, it says that sunday is the first day of the week...
When are we to keep shabbat? on the seventh day. so when is the seventh day? Saturday.
Who determined that Sunday is the first day? Culture, race, or God?
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why? the debate here is not on that, it is on when the seventh day is.Originally posted by Chin Eng:Here's where I like to present views from all angles...... it's not that I did not notice that statement. I choose to put everything out in the open whether I agree with it or not.
Who determined that Sunday is the first day? Culture, race, or God?
I am still awaiting your exegesis of the other days and their paganistic origin.
Who determined that sunday was the seventh day? what do you think? my answer would irk you...
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CE by the way, why are we debating this here? should it not be in which day is the christian sabbath?
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debate is such string word, discuss will be better.Originally posted by breytonhartge:so you are saying that the entire nation of Israel got it wrong? just to debate this...
personally, I did not say Israel got it wrong, I did said lets each man decide accoding to his conviction on which is the day.
The principle regarding that of the Sabbath still stands, which is a day specially set aside to honor the Lord (not that we can ignore Him for the rest of the week).
Just for discussion,
which is better, a man to spend his sabbath on a Saturday doing nothing (sleeping at home) or a man who spend his on a Sunday honoring the Lord and ministrating to the poor?
I point is this.
1) Which is more important regarding the Sabbath? The accuracy of which day of the week on which to celebrate it? or The day set aside to honor the Lord?
2) Is the Sabbath created for man? or man created for the Sabbath?
Shalom...
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In all seriousness, there is nothing to debate on.... I have never said that you are wrong. On the contrary, you have been insisting that every Christian is misled by a erroneous theology. By saying that, you are liken to claim that every Christian leader that ever came up was not led by God. I'd rather take my chances in that I believe God was actively leading his church over the ages.Originally posted by breytonhartge:CE by the way, why are we debating this here? should it not be in which day is the christian sabbath?
I am not saying that you are wrong, not because I agree with you, but I have never ever pushed my own POV on anyone stating that I know God more intimately.
I feel that the Christian sabbath is on Sunday. Does that offend you? You'd probably say: no! But the moment a thought crosses your mind that says that CE is wrong because your understanding leads you towards the Hebraic way, you are already offended.
If I say that the issue on Jesus or Yeshua is splitting hairs, your conclusion is that I am nonchalant and being flippant and that your understanding is much deeper than mine, again you have already made your judgement on who knows scripture more.
So, then, what's there to debate on? Because to you, you are right. Because you'd have me pray to Yeshua for wisdom and understanding. Doesn't this state volumes on your state of mind. A more humble person would have search within himself and, too, pray for himself for wisdom and understanding. -
see here... http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=202602Originally posted by vince69:debate is such string word, discuss will be better.
personally, I did not say Israel got it wrong, I did said lets each man decide accoding to his conviction on which is the day.
The principle regarding that of the Sabbath still stands, which is a day specially set aside to honor the Lord (not that we can ignore Him for the rest of the week).
Just for discussion,
which is better, a man to spend his sabbath on a Saturday doing nothing (sleeping at home) or a man who spend his on a Sunday honoring the Lord and ministrating to the poor?
I point is this.
1) Which is more important regarding the Sabbath? The accuracy of which day of the week on which to celebrate it? or The day set aside to honor the Lord?
2) Is the Sabbath created for man? or man created for the Sabbath?
Shalom...
for a reply to your post.. just trying to get it to the right thread... shalom! -
see here for my reply...Originally posted by Chin Eng:In all seriousness, there is nothing to debate on.... I have never said that you are wrong. On the contrary, you have been insisting that every Christian is misled by a erroneous theology. By saying that, you are liken to claim that every Christian leader that ever came up was not led by God. I'd rather take my chances in that I believe God was actively leading his church over the ages.
I am not saying that you are wrong, not because I agree with you, but I have never ever pushed my own POV on anyone stating that I know God more intimately.
I feel that the Christian sabbath is on Sunday. Does that offend you? You'd probably say: no! But the moment a thought crosses your mind that says that CE is wrong because your understanding leads you towards the Hebraic way, you are already offended.
If I say that the issue on Jesus or Yeshua is splitting hairs, your conclusion is that I am nonchalant and being flippant and that your understanding is much deeper than mine, again you have already made your judgement on who knows scripture more.
So, then, what's there to debate on? Because to you, you are right. Because you'd have me pray to Yeshua for wisdom and understanding. Doesn't this state volumes on your state of mind. A more humble person would have search within himself and, too, pray for himself for wisdom and understanding.
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=202602
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Hmmm... dunno how this came to be a discussion thread on the shabbat, but lets hope that it is remedied now... this is supposed to be a place to chill out...
so lets hope we can keep it as one, thank you! Shalom!
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really? since like for how long.... ? I am going to move this... to the appropriate thread, hope you don't mind...Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:hmm im fine...
yeah, i have dreams that we are actually living on SDF Macross.
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no la, just day dreams only. i have better things to dream about.Originally posted by breytonhartge:really? since like for how long.... ? I am going to move this... to the appropriate thread, hope you don't mind...
have you seen macross zero? I used to draw a lot fo the macross stuff when I was younger...
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in adelaide????the VEGETABLE state????hahahaha.......there is nothing there to do.......so empty.....nothing more beautiful than vegetables there in south australia......yucks...............try the strawberry farm in handorf.............and mind you.....just be careful not to have someone on the streets show you a fist or spray water in your eyes when you are walking on the streets.Originally posted by breytonhartge:So its sunday, what is everyone doing out there? Down under in adelaide, it is cloudy, looks like its going to rain. Thoughthe birds are chipring still and i can see quite a few people in the park...
Suggestions for filling a sunday? -
how long ago was that? the make up here is so different these days... and wrong time for strawberrys... its winter... not summer. kekeke.Originally posted by gohkatkat:in adelaide????the VEGETABLE state????hahahaha.......there is nothing there to do.......so empty.....nothing more beautiful than vegetables there in south australia......yucks...............try the strawberry farm in handorf.............and mind you.....just be careful not to have someone on the streets show you a fist or spray water in your eyes when you are walking on the streets.
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which is your fav? i like mac plus...Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:no la, just day dreams only. i have better things to dream about.
ive seen macross plus, macross zero, some of the original series.. havent seen macross seven yet..
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i know its winter.........and all the grapewines are all barren now............show me lots of stuff.....comeon.....the best thing there in australia.......to me is all the late nite movies.......where in the world can you find such things in asia and places with muslim counterparts??????.......you want to show me around................oh............how interesting...........i have legs.....i have hands......i have eyes.....and ears.......and i have driven all the way to melbourne with 3 other people................show me lots of stuff in adelaide??????comeon.............Originally posted by breytonhartge:how long ago was that? the make up here is so different these days... and wrong time for strawberrys... its winter... not summer. kekeke.
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you obviously have driven more than I have.... not!Originally posted by gohkatkat:i know its winter.........and all the grapewines are all barren now............show me lots of stuff.....comeon.....the best thing there in australia.......to me is all the late nite movies.......where in the world can you find such things in asia and places with muslim counterparts??????.......you want to show me around................oh............how interesting...........i have legs.....i have hands......i have eyes.....and ears.......and i have driven all the way to melbourne with 3 other people................show me lots of stuff in adelaide??????comeon.............
I have driven from Adelaide to Melb, from Melb to Syd... and from Birsbane all the way up to Mackay and Hervey bay... I was making a friendly offer, since you know so much, I apologise for wasting your time... shalom! -
Question
We know the Romans used Julian calendar, and Christians used them for certain time until the creation of the currently used Gregorian calendar (sniggers at this name)...
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i think it was the lunar calendar... if I am not mistaken...Originally posted by laurence82:Question
We know the Romans used Julian calendar, and Christians used them for certain time until the creation of the currently used Gregorian calendar (sniggers at this name)...
So what was the calendar system used by the Jewish in the ancient past?
The Jewish calendar is based on three astronomical phenomena: the rotation of the Earth about its axis (a day); the revolution of the moon about the Earth (a month); and the revolution of the Earth about the sun (a year). These three phenomena are independent of each other, so there is no direct correlation between them. On average, the moon revolves around the Earth in about 29½ days. The Earth revolves around the sun in about 365¼ days, that is, about 12.4 lunar months.
The Gregorian calendar used by most of the world has abandoned any correlation between the moon cycles and the month, arbitrarily setting the length of months to 28, 30 or 31 days.
The Jewish calendar, however, coordinates all three of these astronomical phenomena. Months are either 29 or 30 days, corresponding to the 29½-day lunar cycle. Years are either 12 or 13 months, corresponding to the 12.4 month solar cycle.
The lunar month on the Jewish calendar begins when the first sliver of moon becomes visible after the dark of the moon. In ancient times, the new months used to be determined by observation. When people observed the new moon, they would notify the Sanhedrin. When the Sanhedrin heard testimony from two independent, reliable eyewitnesses that the new moon occurred on a certain date, they would declare the rosh chodesh (first of the month) and send out messengers to tell people when the month began.
The problem with strictly lunar calendars is that there are approximately 12.4 lunar months in every solar year, so a 12-month lunar calendar loses about 11 days every year and a 13-month lunar gains about 19 days every year. The months on such a calendar "drift" relative to the solar year. On a 12 lunar month calendar, the month of Nissan, which is supposed to occur in the Spring, would occur 11 days earlier each year, eventually occurring in the Winter, the Fall, the Summer, and then the Spring again. To compensate for this drift, an extra month was occasionally added. The month of Nissan would occur 11 days earlier for two or three years, and then would jump forward 29 or 30 days, balancing out the drift. In ancient times, this month was also added by observation: the Sanhedrin observed the conditions of the weather, the crops and the livestock, and if these were not sufficiently advanced to be considered "spring," then the Sanhedrin inserted an additional month into the calendar to make sure that Pesach (Passover) would occur in the spring (it is, after all, referred to in the Torah as Chag he-Aviv, the Festival of Spring!).
A year with 13 months is referred to in Hebrew as Shanah Me'uberet (pronounced shah-NAH meh-oo-BEH-reht), literally: a pregnant year. In English, we commonly call it a leap year. The additional month is known as Adar I, Adar Rishon or Adar Alef. It is inserted before the regular month of Adar (known in such years as Adar II, Adar Sheini or Adar Bet). Note that Adar II is the "real" Adar, the one in which Purim is celebrated, the one in which yahrzeits for Adar are observed, the one in which a 13-year-old born in Adar becomes a Bar Mitzvah. Adar I is the "extra" Adar. -
This is somewhat very similar to the Chinese lunar calendar in many aspects
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_lunar_calendar
The Chinese have no seven days week until the arrival of the Jesuits and the introduction of Western astronomy.
Do the Hebrews have seven days week? -
From what I know yes.Originally posted by laurence82:This is somewhat very similar to the Chinese lunar calendar in many aspects
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_lunar_calendar
The Chinese have no seven days week until the arrival of the Jesuits and the introduction of Western astronomy.
Do the Hebrews have seven days week? -
---got beaten to it
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ah there you are! hey where is the cave again? I go and join you and MC...Originally posted by vince69:seems like the Chinese lunar calender and the Jewish lunar calender very close ..
:hmm:...
That is always what has been contended by the chinese pastor as NCC... cannot remember his name pai se...
Also said that there are many things in chinese culture which are very similar to the jewish culture... kekeke... which i find interesting. -
Well, I tried reading the first few posts, and my eyes went blind...so help me here. if there was a proper seven days week system, and the seventh day is to be a day of rest, then what is the issue here actually?Originally posted by breytonhartge:From what I know yes. -
to what? thought you were at reservist? or did ah lau get his info wrong...?Originally posted by vince69:---got beaten to it