Take a break...
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Yeah, I had chicken cop with lodeh... just the way I like it... yummy. My wife had the fish head curry...Originally posted by laurence82:weird combi
for curry, i simply like having rice with it
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Weird combiOriginally posted by breytonhartge:Yeah, I had chicken cop with lodeh... just the way I like it... yummy. My wife had the fish head curry...
brey is weird
but then again, who ish not weird in sgforums
hohohoho
let me go bathe
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thank you....Originally posted by breytonhartge:Yeah, I had chicken cop with lodeh... just the way I like it... yummy. My wife had the fish head curry...
at least I know I am not the only werid one around...
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we all have our own little quirks. That is what makes life so interesting...Originally posted by vince69:thank you....
at least I know I am not the only werid one around...
oh no... the banana is taking a shower, will there be anything left??
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who what where?
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who? what? where? what?Originally posted by laurence82:who what where? -
grrr
i continue studying later
strangely, i study at night
and from some singaporeans overseas, they say the cold climate there is very conducive for studying
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more like condusive for sleeping... come to think of it, I dunno how I could have made it through except for the grace of Yahweh...Originally posted by laurence82:grrr
i continue studying later
strangely, i study at night
and from some singaporeans overseas, they say the cold climate there is very conducive for studying
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In the first place, why were the moon cakes distributed? it was the story of Chang-e and Hou-Yi. Mooncake was a remembrance of Chang-e "migration" to the moon and her deified status..... not spiritual????Originally posted by breytonhartge:come to think of it, easter and the mid autumn festival have totally different origins.
easter originated in pagan worship and has very significant spiritual implications.
the mooncake festival only resulted because in the 14th century, the Han chinese wanted to overthrow the Yuan dynasty founded by the mongols so they devised this festival that they supposedly celebrated so that they could pass messages in these mooncakes. Nothing spiritual about that. The shapes of the moon cake reflect the fullness of the moon at the middle of the month. Nothing untoward there.
these two events are totally different, there is no spiritual significance in the celebration of the midautumn festival, where there is much significance in celebrating Yeshua's ressurection as easter. The correct terminology here is still passover. Last time I read your opinions on the subject, you did say you celebrated easter...
The notes in the mooncakes happened very much later.
Nonetheless, define it whatever way you want lah....
Hmm... can't remember if I'd said I "celebrate" Easter or I "attended" the easter service in my earlier posts....you might want to check this one up if you are a little free (or at least point out to me where I wrote that) 
I even try to avoid the Maundy Thursday service, too late lah, need to sleep. Of course, it is entirely possible I'd used the word "celebrate" but that still sounds weird to me 'cos it's not a natural word for me...
Having said that, one time you told me you celebrated chinese new year too (in a PM) with your visiting parents, subsequently you said you did not celebrate chinese new year..... but I never bother to questioned you on this one.... it put it to semantics lah.... no issue with me. -
...............Originally posted by Chin Eng:In the first place, why were the moon cakes distributed? it was the story of Chang-e and Hou-Yi. Mooncake was a remembrance of Chang-e "migration" to the moon and her deified status..... not spiritual????
The notes in the mooncakes happened very much later.
Nonetheless, define it whatever way you want lah....
Hmm... can't remember if I'd said I "celebrate" Easter or I "attended" the easter service in my earlier posts....you might want to check this one up if you are a little free (or at least point out to me where I wrote that) I even try to avoid the Maundy Thursday service, too late lah, need to sleep. Of course, it is entirely possible I'd used the word "celebrate" but that still sounds weird to me 'cos it's not a natural word for me...
Having said that, one time you told me you celebrated chinese new year too (in a PM) with your visiting parents, subsequently you said you did not celebrate chinese new year..... but I never bother to questioned you on this one.... it put it to semantics lah.... no issue with me. -
There are many tales about the significance of the mooncake.Originally posted by Chin Eng:In the first place, why were the moon cakes distributed? it was the story of Chang-e and Hou-Yi. Mooncake was a remembrance of Chang-e "migration" to the moon and her deified status..... not spiritual????
The notes in the mooncakes happened very much later.
Nonetheless, define it whatever way you want lah....
Hmm... can't remember if I'd said I "celebrate" Easter or I "attended" the easter service in my earlier posts....you might want to check this one up if you are a little free (or at least point out to me where I wrote that) I even try to avoid the Maundy Thursday service, too late lah, need to sleep. Of course, it is entirely possible I'd used the word "celebrate" but that still sounds weird to me 'cos it's not a natural word for me...
Having said that, one time you told me you celebrated chinese new year too (in a PM) with your visiting parents, subsequently you said you did not celebrate chinese new year..... but I never bother to questioned you on this one.... it put it to semantics lah.... no issue with me.
Children are told the ancient story of the moon fairy who lived in a crystal palace and came out only to dance on the moon's shadowed surface.
Another legend links them to a mythical day when 10 suns appeared at once in the sky. The emperor ordered a famous archer to shoot down the nine extra suns. When the task was accomplished, he was awarded a pill that would make him immortal but it was only eaten by his beautiful wife Chang O.
After taking the pill, she floated all the way to the moon and it is said her beauty is greatest on the day of the moon festival that takes place on the 15th day of the eighth lunar month.
In the most famous legend, however, mooncakes are used to conceal secret messages sent among Chinese revolutionaries plotting the overthrow of the Mongol invaders in the 14th century.
Whilst there may be varying versions of the significance of mooncakes, you have to note that the story that is most told and one that I was told when I was young was the third one, which I have highlighted in bold. There IS NO SPIRITUAL significance attached to this story. -
if the notes in the mooncake came much later, why then is it the most told story and not the others??Originally posted by Chin Eng:In the first place, why were the moon cakes distributed? it was the story of Chang-e and Hou-Yi. Mooncake was a remembrance of Chang-e "migration" to the moon and her deified status..... not spiritual????
The notes in the mooncakes happened very much later.
Nonetheless, define it whatever way you want lah....
Chang-e may have "migrated" to the moon, but last I checked, she has no deified status.
Besides since the americans have already been to the moon, they did not find evidence of a chang-e there... so she either did not "migrate" to the moon or died either on her way there or through starvation.... proving she was not immortal afterall... -
you really are a person with no discretion aren't you??? since you always say that what is in a pm stays private, but what is in a forum is public, yet you have many times put out information that I have shared with you in a pm on the public forum. All I can conclude from this is that you are a person not ever to be trusted......Originally posted by Chin Eng:Having said that, one time you told me you celebrated chinese new year too (in a PM) with your visiting parents, subsequently you said you did not celebrate chinese new year..... but I never bother to questioned you on this one.... it put it to semantics lah.... no issue with me. 
yeah, I visit my parents on chinese new year, to keep the biblical command of honour thy parents. Wait i forgot, you don't keep the 10 commandments or see the need to... -
wah lau 4 rebuttals for one..... so emo today....Originally posted by breytonhartge:you really are a person with no discretion aren't you??? since you always say that what is in a pm stays private, but what is in a forum is public, yet you have many times put out information that I have shared with you in a pm on the public forum. All I can conclude from this is that you are a person not ever to be trusted......
yeah, I visit my parents on chinese new year, to keep the biblical command of honour thy parents. Wait i forgot, you don't keep the 10 commandments or see the need to...
Many times? not really lah... technically it is the first. The other one? The name thing? I am not even sure if it's your real name, and so what if it is. No surname, can't trace. So what if I tell you I am James, or Peter, or Ah Kow....
Of course if you are able to name so more other occasions, I will be please to apologise, but please do not exaggerate the figures.
This one: well, it's to point out to the fact that sometimes we ALL use different words to describe one thing or use same words to discribe different things. I did not push it till you attempted to correct me.
Do you always only visit your parents on CNY? Is this the only way to keep Biblical commands? Why CNY if not that you actually celebrated the event? But subsequently in a public statement you said you do not? Hmmmm? Anyway this is a moot point. But it is really unimportant.
Anyway back to the mooncakes, everyone's favorite reference site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chang%27e_%28mythology%29....
... still not spiritual? if you are ignorant about this, it does not make you innocent, partaking of food used in another religion's form of worship.
... even if you are ignorant, what is depicted on every mooncake box and publicity materials: a warrior trying to overthrow the Yuan dynasty via old time SMS, or a gorgeous chick and bugs bunny?
You can take your time lah.... I got teleconference this morning.... boh eng! -
called the end of the month syndrome...
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No I do not celebrate CNY, but I visit my parents on CNY, my father is old fashioned and to him it is a form of respect so I do that. Nothing wrong is there? Make the distinction.Originally posted by Chin Eng:Do you always only visit your parents on CNY? Is this the only way to keep Biblical commands? Why CNY if not that you actually celebrated the event? But subsequently in a public statement you said you do not? Hmmmm? Anyway this is a moot point. But it is really unimportant. -
Actually, there is a very thin line between mythology and religion
Especially Chinese mythology, compared to Western mythology and religions, have a lot more greyer areas.
Thats why, they say, the 'trinity' of 'Chinese religions' are Buddhism, Taoism and Chinese folktales.
Chinese folktales is the one that give us Chang E, the monster nian for Chinese New Year etc and they are along the same line as Irish leprechauns , German gnomes
I dont know what the fuss about, but its not worthwhile to use a Western yardstick to measure what is religion, what is mythology in Chinese culture. I am quite surprised there would be an argument along this line. -
Lest I be accused of divulging PMs, check you inbox.Originally posted by breytonhartge:No I do not celebrate CNY, but I visit my parents on CNY, my father is old fashioned and to him it is a form of respect so I do that. Nothing wrong is there? Make the distinction. -
you obviously do not hang out with old chinese folks - never heard of "bai yuet lian"?Originally posted by breytonhartge:called the end of the month syndrome...
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I really have no issues with any of these.... but as I recall, I was once accused of being flippant over what I choose to believe and what I choose not to believe.Originally posted by laurence82:Actually, there is a very thin line between mythology and religion
Especially Chinese mythology, compared to Western mythology and religions, have a lot more greyer areas.
Thats why, they say, the 'trinity' of 'Chinese religions' are Buddhism, Taoism and Chinese folktales.
Chinese folktales is the one that give us Chang E, the monster nian for Chinese New Year etc and they are along the same line as Irish leprechauns , German gnomes
I dont know what the fuss about, but its not worthwhile to use a Western yardstick to measure what is religion, what is mythology in Chinese culture. I am quite surprised there would be an argument along this line.
You see, I am the "pagan" loving Christian who have no issues with the various "corrupted" practices within the church.
The reverse must be true. One must shy away from anything remotely connected with pagan practices (which in most cases are folklores anyway). In this case, the origin of mooncakes are not political but connected with a form of worship. Whether it has evolved or not IS NOT the question.
Having said all that, I guess the issue really is how we define something, perhaps we go easy on ourselves because it seems ok, regardless of. But when we judge others, we are harsher. -
Not very surprising. For whatever reasons, Christians and Muslims, I am not sure about Judaism, are more dogmatic and follow their doctrine more closely than members of other faiths. Lets not forget that there is a very strong proactive evangelism, if not provocative evangelism on their part.Originally posted by Chin Eng:I really have no issues with any of these.... but as I recall, I was once accused of being flippant over what I choose to believe and what I choose not to believe.
You see, I am the "pagan" loving Christian who have no issues with the various "corrupted" practices within the church.
The reverse must be true. One must shy away from anything remotely connected with pagan practices (which in most cases are folklores anyway). In this case, the origin of mooncakes are not political but connected with a form of worship. Whether it has evolved or not IS NOT the question.
Having said all that, I guess the issue really is how we define something, perhaps we go easy on ourselves because it seems ok, regardless of. But when we judge others, we are harsher.
It would then be natural for people to question back what you would choose to believe and what you would not choose to believe. A natural reaction, I guess, whenever I meet a Christian. -
Ah, mooncakes associated with some sort of worship?
First time heard this also. I would have thought its a festival celebrated like our Duan Wu Jie or Winter Solstice. -
urm, i go sch liao
you guys..urm play nice, behave.... -
I am peranakan. not pure chinese... we never followed any of these things in my home.Originally posted by Chin Eng:you obviously do not hang out with old chinese folks - never heard of "bai yuet lian"? -
in box checked... and since that post, I have revisited my stand on CNY in the light of what I know now. Or do you say that a person should always stay stagnant?? Like I siad to you before, this hebraic roots thing is new for me and as I grow in it and be convicted of certain things, I will do and follow as Yahweh leads.Originally posted by Chin Eng:Lest I be accused of divulging PMs, check you inbox.