Take a break...
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The question is NOT about keeping Sabbath, but when we keep Sabbath - this is a theological issue.Originally posted by breytonhartge:Does Yahweh care? If you know the ten commandments, of course He cares! Did Yeshua keep the sabbath? Of course He did. Did Shaul keep the sabbath? Yes to that too... so what does Yeshua tell us. To be like Him.Following Yahweh is not about compromise, its about doing what He wants us to do as right in HIS eyes by HIS standards and not ours. What sets that standard? His word. I am not telling you any different from what is written in your bible. So when the word tells me that someone is doing some thing wrong in the eyes of Yahweh, do I compromise? Say its ok... ?? Even in the OT, it was never about compromise, its about you keep yourselves HOLY, set apart... and I will destroy the rest. We are a commonwealth of Israel, so please do not tell me different. We become part of Israel and not the other way around.
Vince sorry. This had to be answered.
Sabbath has to be kept. Show me that in the OT, Sabbath is specifically Saturday....
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After Shaul and Kefa? Sure there are, Tychicus, Timothy, Onesimus, Aristarchus, Mark, Justus, Luke, Demas, Archippus... enough for you???Originally posted by Chin Eng:Refer to the dates given..... 400 AD to 1800 AD....
Don't have any evidence therefore you say you do not need to prove. Likewise, I can say the church also have YHWH so we also don't need to prove anything, right or wrong. Don't have say don't have, no need to twist and shout
My point remains: there is no discernable evangelistic activities after the demise of Paul and Peter while most of such activities are western based. If these western evangelists did anything wrong it's probably because there is apparently no one to challenge this supposed "erroneous stand"
So you folks do need to do because the Father is the most prominent evangelist? Then why do anything now? Why the need to write what you write? Why the sudden impulse to correct anything? A total oxymoron!
So you folks don't do, other people do, and you accuse them of getting the issues wrong? A remarkable case of SHIFTING THE BLAME!
Let me make a guess as to what you guys are doing: checking with every site and every resource to look for prominent Jewish evangelists during those periods. Otherwise, this is the perfect time to throw CE's arguments on the floor. But you can't find anything, so you only excuse is "no need to prove".
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the sabbath is specifically kept on the seventh day. You have to go back to the OT time to understand this. Time then was measured by sun up to sun down. So the seventh day began from sundown friday night to sundown saturday night. It is well understood that satruday is the seventh day. And you still aruge this point? The jews who are Yahweh's people from so long ago keep it from friday sundown to saturday sundown, who are we to argue with the people who have been there from the start??Originally posted by Chin Eng:The question is NOT about keeping Sabbath, but when we keep Sabbath - this is a theological issue.
Sabbath has to be kept. Show me that in the OT, Sabbath is specifically Saturday....
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....... CE we should stop this, its not helping either you or me... I used to see things your way, I used to be like you, I used to take the stand that you are taking now... but I have been changed, like in the matrix, I have taken the red pill and can never go back to the way things were before... it is just impossible for me now... maybe someday you will see it from where I am at... and I hope that day comes.... but for now, I think we are not going to see eye to eye on anything.... so we should just drop it. If you want to visit DT, then by all means do so and respect the setting in which it is set, just as EH has its own setting, DT has its own too... if you do not agree with things, then maybe best not to come here so as not to antagonize both you and me.... and don't get me wrong again, I do welcome you here, its just that I seem to really antagonize you from my viewpoint and I do not want to do that... I am not out to purposely offend anyone, I am just another voice in the myraid of voices out there... if mine seems loud to you, then I don't really know how else to put it across... maybe my delivery is wrong, and maybe this is my training ground... Yahweh has a plan and it will unfold.... till I know more, I will write more, if I can offer a better explanation, I will try. But for now, this is the best I can do.Originally posted by Chin Eng:So you folks don't do, other people do, and you accuse them of getting the issues wrong? A remarkable case of SHIFTING THE BLAME!
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These nice folks lived after AD400???Originally posted by breytonhartge:After Shaul and Kefa? Sure there are, Tychicus, Timothy, Onesimus, Aristarchus, Mark, Justus, Luke, Demas, Archippus... enough for you???
Of course there was no one to challenge the erroneous western stand.... the romans made sure of that... or did you not read about this part of history...
Yup, it's the Roman's fault again. I kinda of expected your answer.
The Romans censored everything, or perhaps there were really no Jewish evangelists after these nice folks.
The definition of what is and what is not seventh day is the issue.Originally posted by breytonhartge:the sabbath is specifically kept on the seventh day. You have to go back to the OT time to understand this. Time then was measured by sun up to sun down. So the seventh day began from sundown friday night to sundown saturday night. It is well understood that satruday is the seventh day. And you still aruge this point? The jews who are Yahweh's people from so long ago keep it from friday sundown to saturday sundown, who are we to argue with the people who have been there from the start??
You sure have take a pill... what this pill is remains to be seen.Originally posted by breytonhartge:....... CE we should stop this, its not helping either you or me... I used to see things your way, I used to be like you, I used to take the stand that you are taking now... but I have been changed, like in the matrix, I have taken the red pill and can never go back to the way things were before... it is just impossible for me now... maybe someday you will see it from where I am at... and I hope that day comes.... but for now, I think we are not going to see eye to eye on anything.... so we should just drop it. If you want to visit DT, then by all means do so and respect the setting in which it is set, just as EH has its own setting, DT has its own too... if you do not agree with things, then maybe best not to come here so as not to antagonize both you and me.... and don't get me wrong again, I do welcome you here, its just that I seem to really antagonize you from my viewpoint and I do not want to do that... I am not out to purposely offend anyone, I am just another voice in the myraid of voices out there... if mine seems loud to you, then I don't really know how else to put it across... maybe my delivery is wrong, and maybe this is my training ground... Yahweh has a plan and it will unfold.... till I know more, I will write more, if I can offer a better explanation, I will try. But for now, this is the best I can do.
Shalom.
You tone and view is no different from a neo-nazi, or white supremist...
You can choose how you say your issues.
You also need to examine your own stand and arguments, for example, if God is the true evangelist and there was no need for Jewish evangelists, what the heck are you doing! very oxymoron. In it self, the statement contradicts the great commission. Again: don't know say don't know! -
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*me look at the clock*
*me look at the two silly old men*
can come in liao mah? -
who you calling old...Originally posted by laurence82:*me look at the clock*
*me look at the two silly old men*
can come in liao mah?
who you calling silly....
since when could you not come in.... -
This is supposed to be the bunkerOriginally posted by breytonhartge:who you calling old...
who you calling silly....
since when could you not come in....
Any conflict pls carry over to warzone -
what to do... some people bring the warzone here... all I was trying to do was to repulse the attacker....Originally posted by laurence82:This is supposed to be the bunker
Any conflict pls carry over to warzone
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really, doctrinal issues are not up my streetOriginally posted by breytonhartge:what to do... some people bring the warzone here... all I was trying to do was to repulse the attacker....
maybe you can help....
besides, the warzone is bad enough as it is
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all the best for your test...Originally posted by laurence82:really, doctrinal issues are not up my street
besides, the warzone is bad enough as it is
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i go study for my test
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Well, in the first place, there is no reason for any war, especially among those who profess to be followers of God.
I have never wanted any way, and have never said that your views are wrong.
Consider this: war happens when one part continues to insist that his is the right and only way, and that everyone else apart from this view is in error..... therefore how can war be avoided?
All along, it is not about the difference in opinion. Operative word is OPINION.
All along, it is about who is right and who is wrong. Operative words: RIGHT and WRONG - this has already been decided by one party. -
Originally posted by Chin Eng:
If I did not believe in my opinion, I would not have one would I, so of course I would have to think that this was the correct way. The same way you think your way is the correct way and hence hold that opinon.
Well, in the first place, there is no reason for any war, especially among those who profess to be followers of God.
I have never wanted any way, and have never said that your views are wrong.
Consider this: war happens when one part continues to insist that his is the right and only way, and that everyone else apart from this view is in error..... [b]therefore how can war be avoided?
All along, it is not about the difference in opinion. Operative word is OPINION.
All along, it is about who is right and who is wrong. Operative words: RIGHT and WRONG - this has already been decided by one party.[/b]
If I consider my opinion right, then by contrast, I would consider any other viewpoint wrong until something of merit would make me have to reconsider the matter again... but hey if you disagree with my opinion, its only my opinion, its not like law or anything... so why are you getting so worked up?? -
Originally posted by breytonhartge:all the best for your test...
me agree... that is why i chose not to retort anymore...
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War here, war over there
I go look for a new bunker
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is it safe to come out yet?
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is it safe anywhere???Originally posted by vince69:is it safe to come out yet? -
nevermind then... good night...Originally posted by laurence82:is it safe anywhere???
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niteyOriginally posted by vince69:nevermind then... good night...
dont let the bed bugs bite
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\Originally posted by laurence82:nitey
dont let the bed bugs bite
CHOMP! CHOMP! CHOMP!
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I was only stating why war occurs.Originally posted by breytonhartge:If I did not believe in my opinion, I would not have one would I, so of course I would have to think that this was the correct way. The same way you think your way is the correct way and hence hold that opinon.
If I consider my opinion right, then by contrast, I would consider any other viewpoint wrong until something of merit would make me have to reconsider the matter again... but hey if you disagree with my opinion, its only my opinion, its not like law or anything... so why are you getting so worked up??
Opinions?
Well say it goes like this:
brey: my opinion is la di dah....
CE: ok, but mine is di di dah....
At this point no issue.
Next:
brey: my opinion is that you are not following God's laws and you full of iniquity... and that you are not serious in following the precepts of God (all paraphased, but the gist is there)
That stops being an opinion, it becomes a judgement. here's where it's gets really dicey. That's not really polite isn't it (but I don't thing being polite in making your point is part of your agenda)
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Ceasefire at 6pm
Those who break the rules risk nuclear anihiiliation -
shabbat shalom!Originally posted by laurence82:Ceasefire at 6pm
Those who break the rules risk nuclear anihiiliation