In your anger do not sin
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:I think we do what we do, because of what we are inside..... sorry can't elaborate further.... gotta run, otherwise the wifey will beat me up.
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come back soon and elaborate more...Originally posted by Chin Eng:Perhaps the secret to all our problems is self-control. However I don't subscribe to the western psychological analysis that things like happened because of things that happened in the past..... I think it is more likely got to do with our personality.
I remember reading Tim Lahaye's book on Temperament (can't remember the title), and I fall into the category of Sanguine with a tad of melancholism occasionally.
I think we do what we do, because of what we are inside..... sorry can't elaborate further.... gotta run, otherwise the wifey will beat me up. 
why don't you subscribe to the analysis that things in the past can trigger what is in the present? Many Yahweh led counsellors speak about this. What has been your experience? -
err.. one quick question: these Yahweh led counsellors, American?Originally posted by breytonhartge:come back soon and elaborate more...
why don't you subscribe to the analysis that things in the past can trigger what is in the present? Many Yahweh led counsellors speak about this. What has been your experience?
Personal experience tells me that I will attempt to mirror what is good in my parents, but will not attempt to copy anything that I'd found to be bad. This is a conscious effort.
I also think that by claiming that the past can trigger the present is an attempt to run away from the responsibility that each one of must have over what we are suppose to look after.
Can't remember the verse, but isn't there a passage from Jesus that goes something like: a man is not condemned because of the sins of his father, but the sins of himself? (sorry, liberally paraphased).
Yes, sometimes, I think that I inherited some anger traits from my mother, but no, I do not inherit the unreasonable rage that comes with her.
OK, let's assume that these Yahweh-led counsellors are right.... what's the basis for it? -
give me a while, i am trying to find the book...Originally posted by Chin Eng:OK, let's assume that these Yahweh-led counsellors are right.... what's the basis for it? -
Sorry, I don't have the book, I sent it to my mother in singapore...Originally posted by Chin Eng:err.. one quick question: these Yahweh led counsellors, American?
Personal experience tells me that I will attempt to mirror what is good in my parents, but will not attempt to copy anything that I'd found to be bad. This is a conscious effort.
I also think that by claiming that the past can trigger the present is an attempt to run away from the responsibility that each one of must have over what we are suppose to look after.
Can't remember the verse, but isn't there a passage from Jesus that goes something like: a man is not condemned because of the sins of his father, but the sins of himself? (sorry, liberally paraphased).
Yes, sometimes, I think that I inherited some anger traits from my mother, but no, I do not inherit the unreasonable rage that comes with her.
OK, let's assume that these Yahweh-led counsellors are right.... what's the basis for it?
but from what I can remember, it is not so much to do with inheritance from the parents, but it has more to do with seeing the parents fight and argue and that causes the child to be very resentful and build up a sense of anger towards the fighting etc... -
thanks for searching. putting it the way you have done now makes more sense. it goes back to setting good examples for our children to see.Originally posted by breytonhartge:Sorry, I don't have the book, I sent it to my mother in singapore...
but from what I can remember, it is not so much to do with inheritance from the parents, but it has more to do with seeing the parents fight and argue and that causes the child to be very resentful and build up a sense of anger towards the fighting etc...
what I am suspicious off is the psychologist interpretation: you know, those pertaining to regressed or repressed memory, or some unfortunately incidents in the past which triggers off something now.
depending on the psyche of the child, it is up to the child to correct any problems of the past. my own mother is a disciplinarian but she is prone to rage. I am a disciplinarian too but I keep my rage in check. My dad is not a very hands-on father, I am. I learn from them what is good and chuck out what is bad.... how else then can we improve? -
just to be cheeky... we improve by following the prefect example set for us in Yeshua who reflects the Father completely...Originally posted by Chin Eng:thanks for searching. putting it the way you have done now makes more sense. it goes back to setting good examples for our children to see.
what I am suspicious off is the psychologist interpretation: you know, those pertaining to regressed or repressed memory, or some unfortunately incidents in the past which triggers off something now.
depending on the psyche of the child, it is up to the child to correct any problems of the past. my own mother is a disciplinarian but she is prone to rage. I am a disciplinarian too but I keep my rage in check. My dad is not a very hands-on father, I am. I learn from them what is good and chuck out what is bad.... how else then can we improve?
I do know what you are doing though, it is the same process for me. I take what is good from the examples of my parents and I keep that and imporve on it. Its never easy growing up.
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yeah, you're being cheeky.... what's "prefect example"?Originally posted by breytonhartge:just to be cheeky... we improve by following the prefect example set for us in Yeshua who reflects the Father completely...
though you are quite right theologically speaking, lots of parents may even verbalise this thought, , but in practical terms it's open to interpretation, so it's still back to square one.
an example may be: the father (God) disciplines us, sometimes in a hard way - my interpretation, use the rod and get on with life. Another interpretation, drone the young fella to death with incessant nagging and make him sit at the corner to reflect. At the end of the day, it's what works and what doesn't. -
I find a good basis for starting to follow this perfect example of Yeshua is in the book of Proverbs, there are many gold nuggets of wisdom and information there. Also if one goes back to the Holy Scriptures, ie the OT, there is much wisdom there as well.Originally posted by Chin Eng:yeah, you're being cheeky.... what's "prefect example"?
though you are quite right theologically speaking, lots of parents may even verbalise this thought, , but in practical terms it's open to interpretation, so it's still back to square one.
an example may be: the father (God) disciplines us, sometimes in a hard way - my interpretation, use the rod and get on with life. Another interpretation, drone the young fella to death with incessant nagging and make him sit at the corner to reflect. At the end of the day, it's what works and what doesn't. -
morning brey.....
theologically, I do not disagree with you.
but at the end of the day, if all we can say is: follow the example of God.... we'd not have SGforums or Deeper Truth.....
we can refer to the scriptures but nonetheless, in many occasions we need to extrapolate the principles to arrive at a practical interpretation. -
that is where you will have the challenge and I will keep you in prayer, that you will be sensitive enough to the leading of Yeshua so that your kids are trained in the way of Yahweh.Originally posted by Chin Eng:morning brey.....
theologically, I do not disagree with you.
but at the end of the day, if all we can say is: follow the example of God.... we'd not have SGforums or Deeper Truth.....
we can refer to the scriptures but nonetheless, in many occasions we need to extrapolate the principles to arrive at a practical interpretation.
I think your thread in EH about christian parenting is a commendable effort and I salute you for that. Me, I am still not yet a father, but an uncle to many... at least I can return them.