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The word "purified " is very subjective and thus as good as devoid of meaning when applied to desires.Originally posted by breytonhartge:why do you say that to have ones desires purified is meaningless?
The right desire fulfilled is a tree of life the wrong one fulfilled is the pathway to death, hence all our deisres must be purified because of our evil inclinations...
It sounds good to say it only.
We all know what "purified" water is (meaningful) but desires are not something that you can hold in your hand and put through a filtering process...
filtering process.... there you have another problem... (meaningless, subjective)
filtered results... another problem... (meaningless, subjective)
to filter or not to filter... another problem... (meaningless, subjective)
pathway to death... another problem... (meaningless, subjective)
evil inclinations... another problem... (meaningless, subjective) -
Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
I see what you mean. I think the author of the original quote meant to say that desires are not evil in themselves, there are some desires that are acceptable in God's sight. Thus, they are not to be exterminated but first purified (desires of pure intentions, acceptable to God, etc).
but the word "purified" by itself is meaningless... we all know what "fulfilled" is... but it cannot always be "fulfilled" (willingly or otherwise) due to one reason or another... and so... [b]But desire fulfilled is a tree of life.[/b]
Eve's desire towards the tree of knowledge of good and evil was fulfilled, but that certainly did not lead to a tree of life as her original desire was not in accordance with God's desire. In this instance, her desire needed to be purified by the Word of God, which was not to eat of that tree.
But yes, we all have experienced what it is like to have one's desires fulfilled and know what that feels like! -
I agree!!Originally posted by mancha:“He who is cruel to animals becomes hard also in his dealings with men. We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals.”
Immanuel Kant
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You really believe that the Adam and Eve story is not an illustration and that "eating" from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is literally pluck a fruit and eat it?Originally posted by Yaffa:I see what you mean. I think the author of the original quote meant to say that desires are not evil in themselves, there are some desires that are acceptable in God's sight. Thus, they are not to be exterminated but first purified (desires of pure intentions, acceptable to God, etc).
Eve's desire towards the tree of knowledge of good and evil was fulfilled, but that certainly did not lead to a tree of life as her original desire was not in accordance with God's desire. In this instance, her desire needed to be purified by the Word of God, which was not to eat of that tree.
But yes, we all have experienced what it is like to have one's desires fulfilled and know what that feels like!
I too believe that there are no good or evil desires... and also not good or evil fulfilling... but there are consequences... some can accept the consequences and some cannot... some choose to ignore the consequence...
Therefore, before you fulfill your desires, think of the consequences... especially other people suffering as a consequence of your actions...
Therefore, it might be better to simply tell people to be mindful of the consequences instead of telling people to "purify their desires..." -
Yes, it is recorded in the same Bible from which you previously quoted. Genesis 2:15-17, 3:1-7.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:You really believe that the Adam and Eve story is not an illustration and that "eating" from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is literally pluck a fruit and eat it... -
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The word purified is not subjective.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:The word "purified " is very subjective and thus as good as devoid of meaning when applied to desires.
It sounds good to say it only.
We all know what "purified" water is (meaningful) but desires are not something that you can hold in your hand and put through a filtering process...
filtering process.... there you have another problem... (meaningless, subjective)
filtered results... another problem... (meaningless, subjective)
to filter or not to filter... another problem... (meaningless, subjective)
pathway to death... another problem... (meaningless, subjective)
evil inclinations... another problem... (meaningless, subjective)
From the Merriam Webster Dictionary:
Main Entry: pu·ri·fy
Pronunciation: 'pyur-&-"fI
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -fied; -fy·ing
Etymology: Middle English purifien, from Anglo-French purifier, from Latin purificare, from Latin purus + -ificare -ify
transitive verb : to make pure: as a : to clear from material defilement or imperfection b : to free from guilt or moral or ceremonial blemish c : to free from undesirable elements
intransitive verb : to grow or become pure or clean
Taking the definition of the dictionary, then the filtering process also does not become subjective and as such the filtered result is also not subjective.
According to the bible and the ways of Hashem, the pathway to death is quite definite... hence again not subjective...
Lastly evil inclinations are also not subjective.
So what are you talking about??
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