Liverpool
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Fcuk la, WHAT THE HELL ARE THE PLAYERS THINKING? JUST BECAUSE THEY FINISH 3rd AND BARELY LOST OUT ON a 2nd SPOT.. THEY START SLACKING??
The only people that seemed interested in playing are Gerrard, Carragher and Kuyt.. The rest are like headless chickens running running around
I tell you it doesn't have anything to with Rotation Policy, This is the worst season in LFC history!!!!!!!!!!!
Can't believe we even dropped points against Blackburn and Bolton
KNNBCCB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ANYTHING ABOVE 5th SPOT THIS SEASON, I PRAY TO KUANYIN MA, TUA PEI KONG, JESUS, MOTHER MARY, ALLAH, BUDDHA AND ETC!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sigh, so who is at fault here? Players? Managers? Maybe the players too frustrated that they are not getting enough matches hence lack match fitness -
Sadly, I think the buck have to stop at rafa... cos they have spent quite alot of money, added quite a number of new players in... and its still not getting better but worst instead...
Just look at the number of players he brought in just this season...
18/08/06 - Dirk Kuyt - Feyenoord
26/07/06 - Jermaine Pennant - Birmingham
05/07/06 - Fabio Aurelio - Valencia
04/07/06 - Gabriel Paletta - Banfield
22/06/06 - Craig Bellamy - Blackburn -
05/07/06 - Fabio Aurelio - Valencia is free transfer btw if im not mistakenOriginally posted by zocoss:Sadly, I think the buck have to stop at rafa... cos they have spent quite alot of money, added quite a number of new players in... and its still not getting better but worst instead...
Just look at the number of players he brought in just this season...
18/08/06 - Dirk Kuyt - Feyenoord
26/07/06 - Jermaine Pennant - Birmingham
05/07/06 - Fabio Aurelio - Valencia
04/07/06 - Gabriel Paletta - Banfield
22/06/06 - Craig Bellamy - Blackburn -
They need a keeper....
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own downfall..
too many rotations..
many wrong buyings,
what more can go wrong?...
sigh...even thou i am a neutral( i sarpot...yes sarpot..haha BOLTON )..but it's no fun seeing liverpool play like kids... i wan entertaining matches!..not dull or drab matches..
hope God save your Liverpool soon..
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Why Reina so buay zai this season?
And Mark Gonzalez is a disappointment.Speedy but cant do anything constructive.
Pennant also got speed,but dribbling and passing got problem. -
You are right... but free still must pay salary what... And salary even more than a player that came with a transfer fee...Originally posted by a-Lost-9uY:05/07/06 - Fabio Aurelio - Valencia is free transfer btw if im not mistaken -
have liverpool overspent?
i noticed they dont go for the more expensive ones. -
20 over million have lah... Dirk Kuyt already 10mOriginally posted by dragg:have liverpool overspent?
i noticed they dont go for the more expensive ones.
Jermaine Pennant - ?
Fabio Aurelio - Free
Gabriel Paletta - ?
Craig Bellamy - think 6m -
bellamy is ok for assist but not a striker.
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walao,Originally posted by zocoss:You are right... but free still must pay salary what... And salary even more than a player that came with a transfer fee...
he's saying "bought" wad..
if u say this way, then every club "transfer fee" will be very huge,
cos must from "Day 1" wages add up to his "last day at the club" + his transfer the club bought = "total transfer fee"
is tat wad u mean?? -
No no... don't get me wrong, what i meant is the transfer fee is something that is necessary when a player is still under contract but since the Bosman rule where players can leave for nothing once their contract expire... players have used this to their advantage.Originally posted by a-Lost-9uY:walao,
he's saying "bought" wad..
if u say this way, then every club "transfer fee" will be very huge,
cos must from "Day 1" wages add up to his "last day at the club" + his transfer the club bought = "total transfer fee"
is tat wad u mean??
Off course the club or clubs that want them would also be happy as they can save on a huge transfer fee which they can use to offer the player a little more than he was getting at his previous club or a "personal sign-on bonus".
Bosman rule
An addendum to this rule means that a player may move in the final year of a four or five year contract. The club would be entitled to compensation, but only equaling the amount of the final year's wages as per the contract, which would be far less than an agreed transfer fee in most cases.
Take Michael Owen for example... Liverpool could have got much more for him, if they had re-newed his contract earlier and offer him more $ but instead they waited too long and he was still being paid his signed 3 or 4 yrs ago salary. And when his contract left one year, he wanted to leave, they had to let him go cheaply at $8m or risk losing him for nothing. Real got him on the cheap really... cos a player of his caliber would have cost double which they did get a year later from Newcastle. ($16m)
Then there is Steve McManaman... He left Liverpool for free and has personally benefited financially from the move. (Instead of the club)
According to Forbes Magazine in 2000, McManaman was listed as 6th on the list of highest earning footballers in the world. McManaman is believed to have pocketed an estimated 15 million Euros in his four years in Madrid. Although he didn't played much but he signed for them with a huge salary increment from his previous. These players probably wouldn't have got such a huge salary increment if they had stayed back at their clubs.
Then there is Chelsea's Michael Ballack...
He signed a 3 yrs contract at $130,000 a week which Bayern Munich couldn't afford to give him. His salary adds up to $7.2m a year. In his 3 yrs there, he would probably make around 22m But if he had came with a huge trans fee like $25m then his total would be almost 50m right? Instead chelsea's total layout on him would probably be less than 25m exclude bonus of course... -
wages are always a concern.
liverpool shouldnt have signed fowler even though he is free. -
usually management get the blames but the manager usually shoulder them and be the first to get the axe
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the defeats and draws are due to Rafa Rotation Policy Mainly as he have too many players for him to rotate thus teamwork are affected
and this is my last post here idiotic zocoss -
What is suppose to help the players in the long run for the long Season may backfired. The occasional rotation is fine but so far not the same qsuad consectively. It is changed every game.
While it kept the players on their toes, familiarity playing for the first eleven is nowhere there. -
I dun think rotation is the key, compare to Arsenal, Wenger do rotation his players. Rafa made a mistake being too nice to his players, look at SAF always give his players free hair drying treatmet.
On formation, there is not much to talk as u look at Arsenal, at any point of time in the game midfield and striker swap position either left or right.
As for ball control, pool have alot to do.
Man U win cos they control the ball and passes well, they din play very well in this game either.
Liverpool have not change much for past 15 years, but manage to win the UCL. The teamwork need alot of improvement. I remember one player left said in the team itself players were divided into 3-4 group, if u have player dun work together this is the end result. They need to build a strong bond amoung themself, just like the national team and spurs too.
Football is a team game not Gerrard game. -
It's probably a combination of many factors. Rotation, tough fixture start, Pepe Reina and the post world cup effect.
Rotation
Chopping changes week in week out is not going to help the team gel. It's after all a team sport. A contributing factor to the poor defence...one week its Aurelio, the next its Risse. One week its Agger, the next its Hyppia..There's just no sync in the defence...
And think abt the msg being sent across the players...If you know that you're going to be rotated and dropped anyway, will you be trying as hard as you should to play better and keep your spot in the First XI?
Tough fixture start
You've got to admit that the fixture list hasn't been too kind to LFC. Think abt it...Sheff Utd, Everton, Chelsea, Bolton, Man United away in succession...those are really tough games...Maybe we should be more optimistic, hopefully, we'll be able to find our form back and start to move back into gear...and we'll deal with the same tough sequence of games again later on in the campaign. This time, with all of them being be played at Anfield.
Pepe Reina
He hasn't really impressed me...too erractic for my liking...He should have been dropped after the howler against Everton...
Post World Cup
Nah...who am I kidding.. -
BENITEZ: NEW REDS MUST DELIVER
Rafael Benitez believes Liverpool have to start proving his expensively-assembled squad is better than last season's outfit.
The Anfield chief witnessed yet another deflating defeat at Old Trafford yesterday, with Manchester United emerging comfortable 2-0 victors to return to the top of the Barclays Premiership, 11 point clear of Benitez's troops.
It is a sobering time for the Spaniard, who consistently claims his summer buys - added to last season's side that finished third - have improved Liverpool's squad.
But he said: "I believe - I know - we are a better squad than last season. But we have to prove that.
"The way to change things in your life is to work harder and better. We must think about Reading in the Carling Cup and then (Aston) Villa. If I think every day, all week, about what went wrong, what half chances we missed we would not change anything.
"We must focus on improving, getting better at what we do - and the things we are not doing well. -
ya u're rite n i knew tat too..Originally posted by zocoss:No no... don't get me wrong, what i meant is the transfer fee is something that is necessary when a player is still under contract but since the Bosman rule where players can leave for nothing once their contract expire... players have used this to their advantage.
Off course the club or clubs that want them would also be happy as they can save on a huge transfer fee which they can use to offer the player a little more than he was getting at his previous club or a "personal sign-on bonus".
Bosman rule
An addendum to this rule means that a player may move in the final year of a four or five year contract. The club would be entitled to compensation, but only equaling the amount of the final year's wages as per the contract, which would be far less than an agreed transfer fee in most cases.
Take Michael Owen for example... Liverpool could have got much more for him, if they had re-newed his contract earlier and offer him more $ but instead they waited too long and he was still being paid his signed 3 or 4 yrs ago salary. And when his contract left one year, he wanted to leave, they had to let him go cheaply at $8m or risk losing him for nothing. Real got him on the cheap really... cos a player of his caliber would have cost double which they did get a year later from Newcastle. ($16m)
Then there is Steve McManaman... He left Liverpool for free and has personally benefited financially from the move. (Instead of the club)
According to Forbes Magazine in 2000, McManaman was listed as 6th on the list of highest earning footballers in the world. McManaman is believed to have pocketed an estimated 15 million Euros in his four years in Madrid. Although he didn't played much but he signed for them with a huge salary increment from his previous. These players probably wouldn't have got such a huge salary increment if they had stayed back at their clubs.
Then there is Chelsea's Michael Ballack...
He signed a 3 yrs contract at $130,000 a week which Bayern Munich couldn't afford to give him. His salary adds up to $7.2m a year. In his 3 yrs there, he would probably make around 22m But if he had came with a huge trans fee like $25m then his total would be almost 50m right? Instead chelsea's total layout on him would probably be less than 25m exclude bonus of course...
but my bottomline is transer fee is transfer free,
wages is wages,
n tats all..
dont mix tat 2 together,
n its a give n take situation.. -
[quote]Originally posted by RSP:
You've got to admit that the fixture list hasn't been too kind to LFC. Think abt it...Sheff Utd, Everton, Chelsea, Bolton, Man United away in succession...those are really tough games...Maybe we should be more optimistic, hopefully, we'll be able to find our form back and start to move back into gear...and we'll deal with the same tough sequence of games again later on in the campaign. This time, with all of them being be played at Anfield.
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to win the premiership liverpool have to beatt the top teams too. -
tough to say, but right now liverpools season is on the brink, i think....
hvg said tt, they played the 2 toughest team, chel$ki and red devil, lost to bogey team bolton and a tough derby with toffeeman. one cld argue the worst is over to liverpool. they need to start piling on the points from now onwards and beat the top 3 teams including everton and bolton @ anfield.
then i think liverpool will stand a chance, but we nvr learn abt starting off well. to go on a 4 straight loss is unbearable....
rafa needs to get his act together. -
Benitez asks for patience
Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez has launched an impassioned defence of his time at Anfield and asked his critics for patience.
Benitez has come under fire after Sunday's 2-0 defeat at Manchester United meant his side slipped to 11th in the Premier League.
"When we lost to Burnley (in the FA Cup) two years ago it was the end of the world for some people and we went on to win the Champions League," the Spaniard told reporters on the eve of the League Cup third-round tie at home to Reading.
"Last season when we lost to Crystal Palace (in the League Cup) we then won the FA Cup and were in the final of the Intercontinental Cup."
Benitez said it was too early in the campaign to judge how Liverpool would fare. -
Gerrard is happy playing on the right insists BenÃtez
Liverpool's manager, Rafael BenÃtez, has told Steven Gerrard he has no plans to switch him from the right side of midfield, despite criticism about employing his captain in that position.
There have been suggestions that Gerrard is not happy with the role and he looked out of form during Sunday's defeat by Manchester United. But BenÃtez said: "He's as happy as he is in the national team. He's playing for Steve McClaren on the right side.
"Steve McClaren is clever, he knows the best season of Steven Gerrard was playing as a right-winger going inside, not as a right-winger close to the touchline, and scoring 23 goals. Steven is the captain, he knows the most important thing is the club, the supporters and, if he plays on the right side, going inside with freedom, and Momo Sissoko and Xabi Alonso can give the balance to the team. He knows that is better for the team." -
Originally posted by dragg:
not necessarily...I will take 6 draws against United, Arsenal and Chelsea.
to win the premiership liverpool have to beatt the top teams too.
Anyway, what I was trying to say is it helps when your tougher games are evenly spread across the season...and not all consecutively in October, esp when the team hasn't seem to struck form yet..