Alex Ferguson's bully boy tactics
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Funnily, this seems to be omitted in EPL, and I would like to add this in and get the comments from fellow forummers..
Alex Ferguson's bully boy tactics with Alan Wiley make a mockery of the FA Respect campaign
By Oliver Holt
// article view //<![CDATA[ var sliderGallery = new Array(); //]]>Most of the time, Sir Alex Ferguson is a credit to the game he loves but now and again, he lets himself down with the kind of antics that remind us the sneering bully in him is alive and well.
His ill-judged diatribe on the supposed lack of fitness of referee Alan Wiley was an unusually clumsy attempt to deflect attention away from Manchester United’s poor performance against Sunderland.
But Ferguson’s attack not only made a mockery of the FA’s Respect campaign, it also ensured that Wiley will now be a soft target for the boo-boys at every Premier League ground he visits.
In those circumstances, it is particularly sweet that ProZone statistics appear to show that Mr Wiley actually ran further than most of the United team during Saturday evening’s match at Old Trafford.
Cue bleep tests all round at Carrington, presumably, and plenty of time for Sir Alex to think about the way he behaved while he considers the FA charge that must surely be heading his way.
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from MU's fans pt of view ->
Prife Of All Europe wrote:You forget that refs should earn their respect. Not because they put on the black shirt but for making accurate decisions.
Every other person on the face of this earth are accountable. Why not referees? They're only acountable to their mate Keith Hackett? Why not the clubs that effectively employ them - united has a 4% share in the Premier League!
It is beggar's belieft that with many millions at stake with every decision that the referee can not be held accountable for blatantly inaccurate decisions.
And don't get me started on that garbage that says he runs further than most United players. The data provided to the press was an AVERAGE of all Prem referees over all the games this season, and not WILEY specifically in that game!Ken Loots wrote:Fergie may have erred (again) in venting his anger at referee, Alan Wiley, but ultimately what damage has it done? Despite his rant, the match was drawn (luckily for an out of sorts United) and no amount of vitipuration from SAF is going to change that.
While, as a United supporter, I sometimes find his outbursts a bit embarrassing, I do believe the reaction to this latest incident is way over the top. Calling for Fergie to be kicked out of football smacks of overkill. If he is given the boot for having a go at a ref, then why is Didier Drogba stll playing? Oh yes, gorgot....that referee was not British. And on the subject of referees and Drogba, if, as those now pointing the finger at Sir Alex, are that certain that the current crop of refs are up to it, why has no referee yet been sanctioned - even kicked out of football - for allowing the big Ivorian to get away with sham injuries week after week, game after game? Surely, if they are as good at what they are doing as Keith Hackett claims them to be, Drogba would have been red-carded a long time ago, not only for cheating, but for trying to make a fool of the very officials we are told are basically beyond reproach.Jewels54 wrote:I think this is being taken way farther than it should have been. When a Refereee makes a mistake or they fined and banned from the game and kicked out of football. No they are not. This is supposed to be a free Country. So who are allowed to make comments about the Referee's if they get it wrong. The players are not allowed to say anything about a mistake if they do they get a card. If the Manager says anything they get a ban and fine. So please tell me who is allowed to complain about the Referee's. This is all one sided someone should be allowed to at least make a comment without it being taken to people saying kick him out of the game. When the Referee's make huge mistakes that cost football teams a lot of money or even a place further in a World Cup for instance. Who sorts that out. Nobody they get away with it. So if Managers have a go then they should except some of the critisism that comes there way. Maybe some of the comments happen in the heat of the moment because of a insident before that the Referee as missed and it was an important decision, that to me is understandable. He should be made to puplicly apologise to the Referee, pay a fine and be given a 3 match touchline ban. He only made a comment that a lot of fans make week in week out over different things. This should not be blown out of proportion like it has been. I think Managers should be able to say something if something important was missed in a match or given that should not have been given, then if the Manager s are right then the Referee's should get a fine and be banned for ? games that it needs. This would be a fairer ruling so at least it can be checked on film to see who was right. If the Manager is wrong then they should get the fine and the ban. But unless this works both ways nothing is fair by punishing just the one that has said something. So why does the FA not try a fairer system to give all Managers a chance to have an opinion. -
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ckharrison wrote:You'd think a man in his position would have some dignity. It doesn't matter if he's won 100 Premier Leagues and 10 World Cups, he's got no more rights than anyone else, and managers cannot go publicly slating referees. The respect players have for the referees is already abysmal, with scenes of refs surrounded by protesting players completely embarrassing the sport, and it doesn't help when managers who are supposed to be role models also chip in.
Fact is the refs are always trying to make the right decisions, however obvious it looks to us on TV it can be very different on the pitch. Do you think they will be pleased seeing themselves on MOTD making a terrible decision, of course not, they would much rather avoid that. They are in a no win situation from the start because nobody could possibly get all the decisions right, particularly with the pace of the PL. Now that the sport has become a business, and these decisions can cost millions, they are taking even more flak which in turn increases the pressure and makes the job yet more difficult. If people want perfection then added technology is the only answer. -
Personally, I do think SAF was employing diversion to put the focus elsewhere than on the poor performance of MU vs Sunderland, however, what he said is over the top.
After the Manchester's derby, we all know what will happen to the time-keeping for all MU's home game. All concerned will be holding a stopwatch.
Anyway, not sure what FA will do to him.. but what do the rest think?
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yeh fergie is just being media smart. Would anyone in his sound mind think he did not know his team has grossly underperformed?
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Originally posted by Rock^Star:
yeh fergie is just being media smart. Would anyone in his sound mind think he did not know his team has grossly underperformed?
jffdevil?
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The FA should come down hard this time on Ferguson.
None of his allegations against Wiley were true.
In fact managers can have a very big influence on referees. Remember Anders Frisk?
He was a top level referee but he decided to quit refereeing after he got death threats against him because Jose Mourinho wouldn't stop going after him after his team lost in the champions league.
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well.. who is the referee for chelsea 1-1 draw with barcelona earlier this year?
i believe he deserve to be shoot down right in the face.
well actually can't blame him, must blame the mr platini. manipulating anti-english bastard
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thing about SAF is that he'll do anything to win...
does anyone still remember the mind games on Keegan until Keegan cracked and so did Newcastle?
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Originally posted by the Bear:
thing about SAF is that he'll do anything to win...
does anyone still remember the mind games on Keegan until Keegan cracked and so did Newcastle?
yea.. i still remember newcastle lead over 20 points over manutd that time.. suddenly newcastle just went down hill
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That is a different matter though.
The referee is the main enforcer of the rules for the game.
By disrespecting the referee, they are indirectly going against the ruling body, be it Fifa, Uefa, or even the English FA.
Sure they might make mistakes, but who doesn't? Is Ferguson saying that he has never made a mistake in his managerial career?
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Originally posted by youyayu:
yea.. i still remember newcastle lead over 20 points over manutd that time.. suddenly newcastle just went down hill
Actually Newcastle were leading by 12 points which is still a significant lead.
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http://sg.news.yahoo.com/afp/20091006/tsp-fbl-eng-pr-manutd-ferguson-referees-47c0590_1.html
Extract from the article:
"At 49, Wiley is one of the oldest referees officiating at the top level in England but his supporters have stressed that his fitness, like that of other officials, is subjected to weekly monitoring and a demanding annual assessment.
The Times reported that Wiley ran more than 11 kilometres (seven miles) during the match -- more than most of United's stars."
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Originally posted by gasband:
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/afp/20091006/tsp-fbl-eng-pr-manutd-ferguson-referees-47c0590_1.html
Extract from the article:
"At 49, Wiley is one of the oldest referees officiating at the top level in England but his supporters have stressed that his fitness, like that of other officials, is subjected to weekly monitoring and a demanding annual assessment.
The Times reported that Wiley ran more than 11 kilometres (seven miles) during the match -- more than most of United's stars."
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Today's TNP details the stringent fitness tests the refs go thru every season. And i agree with Iain Macintosh that Fergie needs to be hang out to dry if they wan the RESPECT campaign to gain any sort of credibility.
If the criticism is factual and is reasonable, then fine but in this case, its a personal attack on Wiley and suspecting his ability to do his job well which turns out to be untrue. This might just consitute a legal case if Wiley decides to take it up.
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Originally posted by Alpha Omega:
Actually Newcastle were leading by 12 points which is still a significant lead.
oo... i just remember a 2 inside
thats like a decade ago.. lol