[World Cup Finals] Netherlands versus Spain
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Originally posted by DemonFox:
lol i watch the game ya more fouls but diving is part of the skillful? holland foul 28 times and got 8 yellow 1 red. while spain 19 foul 5 yellow card while 2 of the yellow from spain is by celebrating the goal. and tat make it 19 foul 3 yellow cards. the ratio is 3 foul from holland u get 1 yellow while spain is 6 foul u get 1 yellow card. And robben was clean thru puyol holding off robben is part of skillful? and no foul for tat?
i think webb cant see it from where he was standing.
btw the slow motion did not show any foul. puyol intended to pull robben's jersey but failed.
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the sending off of hetinga is quite simliar to puyol holding off robben. yet hetinga gt the send off. And even if holland play dirty spain did their part by diving and acting. So diving and acting part of beautiful football? is howard webb the best ref for the final? i thought he famous for bad decision.
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Originally posted by DemonFox:
lol i watch the game ya more fouls but diving is part of the skillful? holland foul 28 times and got 8 yellow 1 red. while spain 19 foul 5 yellow card while 2 of the yellow from spain is by celebrating the goal. and tat make it 19 foul 3 yellow cards. the ratio is 3 foul from holland u get 1 yellow while spain is 6 foul u get 1 yellow card. And robben was clean thru puyol holding off robben is part of skillful? and no foul for tat?
You lost money on Holland, that's why you crying foul now.
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You don't play soccer and you are totally clueless about the rules of soccer.
When you are going for the ball accidentally made contact with the opponent's leg(s), it's a foul but no yellow card.
If you go for the opponent's leg(s) instead of the ball, it is a yellow card offence, which is what most of the Dutch players are doing.
There was another 100% red card offence by the Dutch team that was waive off lightly by the referee, the one where De Jong did a kung fu kick to the chest of Alonso.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtXZ_14FfQw
My take is the Holland played in a very unsportinglike manner, they intended to injure all the Spanish players so that they could get an upper hand.
Spain deserve the win and they won, that is all that matters, the rest they say is "sour grapes".
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Originally posted by DemonFox:
the sending off of hetinga is quite simliar to puyol holding off robben. yet hetinga gt the send off. And even if holland play dirty spain did their part by diving and acting. So diving and acting part of beautiful football? is howard webb the best ref for the final? i thought he famous for bad decision.
he seems to have deteriorated the last few time i saw him in a match.
to be fair, most players in the modern game exaggerate and play-act like its part of their trade.
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Originally posted by βÎτά:
You lost money on Holland, that's why you crying foul now.
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You don't play soccer and you are totally clueless about the rules of soccer.
When you are going for the ball accidentally made contact with the opponent's leg(s), it's a foul but no yellow card.
If you go for the opponent's leg(s) instead of the ball, it is a yellow card offence, which is what most of the Dutch players are doing.
There was another 100% red card offence by the Dutch team that was waive off lightly by the referee, the one where De Jong did a kung fu kick to the chest of Alonso.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtXZ_14FfQw
My take is the Holland played in a very unsportinglike manner, they intended to injure all the Spanish players so that they could get an upper hand.
Spain deserve the win and they won, that is all that matters, the rest they say is "sour grapes".
ytd nite we all saw De Jong kicks to Xabi's chest... zomg... It shld really be a red card instead of a yellow sia...somemore holland all aimming for the legs sia... dunno they play football or just play foot -___-
But one thing, Spain didn't play well and Holland def and play was kinda on form >___>
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Originally posted by βÎτά:
You lost money on Holland, that's why you crying foul now.
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You don't play soccer and you are totally clueless about the rules of soccer.
When you are going for the ball accidentally made contact with the opponent's leg(s), it's a foul but no yellow card.
If you go for the opponent's leg(s) instead of the ball, it is a yellow card offence, which is what most of the Dutch players are doing.
There was another 100% red card offence by the Dutch team that was waive off lightly by the referee, the one where De Jong did a kung fu kick to the chest of Alonso.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtXZ_14FfQw
My take is the Holland played in a very unsportinglike manner, they intended to injure all the Spanish players so that they could get an upper hand.
Spain deserve the win and they won, that is all that matters, the rest they say is "sour grapes".
lol if i say i bought draw will u believe me? i not denying spain is the better team. but u cant deny the webb is helping the spainish players. If spain were to win by not over acting and diving and the help of ref. i have no problem saying tat spain deserve to win the champion. but losing in such a way is clearly not the kind of final i would want to see. Holland and spain play so hard to reach the final and either side lose in such a way will be sad to see. ok holland play dirty isnt spanish players play a part too? by acting and diving? And ref is helping spainish side no doubt about tat. Oh ya i watch soccer too and know the rules :D and abt the de jong kong fu kick ya i tink is a bad foul but i dun tink is on purpose. oh ya didnt u say When you are going for the ball accidentally made contact with the opponent's leg(s), it's a foul but no yellow card. maybe he de jong was going for the ball too but accidentally made contact with the opponent chest? accident do happen but diving and acting is u do on purpose. when xavi kick the opponent leg and crying for penalty i feel so disgrace abt his attitude.
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Originally posted by DemonFox:
lol if i say i bought draw will u believe me? i not denying spain is the better team. but u cant deny the webb is helping the spainish players. If spain were to win by not over acting and diving and the help of ref. i have no problem saying tat spain deserve to win the champion. but losing in such a way is clearly not the kind of final i would want to see. Holland and spain play so hard to reach the final and either side lose in such a way will be sad to see. ok holland play dirty isnt spanish players play a part too? by acting and diving? And ref is helping spainish side no doubt about tat. Oh ya i watch soccer too and know the rules :D and abt the de jong kong fu kick ya i tink is a bad foul but i dun tink is on purpose. oh ya didnt u say When you are going for the ball accidentally made contact with the opponent's leg(s), it's a foul but no yellow card. maybe he de jong was going for the ball too but accidentally made contact with the opponent chest? accident do happen but diving and acting is u do on purpose. when xavi kick the opponent leg and crying for penalty i feel so disgrace abt his attitude.
Do refer Barcelona vs Inter Milan match 2nd leg. And if Netherlands not one man down, the outcome might be different -
Originally posted by DemonFox:
lol if i say i bought draw will u believe me? i not denying spain is the better team. but u cant deny the webb is helping the spainish players. If spain were to win by not over acting and diving and the help of ref. i have no problem saying tat spain deserve to win the champion. but losing in such a way is clearly not the kind of final i would want to see. Holland and spain play so hard to reach the final and either side lose in such a way will be sad to see. ok holland play dirty isnt spanish players play a part too? by acting and diving? And ref is helping spainish side no doubt about tat. Oh ya i watch soccer too and know the rules :D and abt the de jong kong fu kick ya i tink is a bad foul but i dun tink is on purpose. oh ya didnt u say When you are going for the ball accidentally made contact with the opponent's leg(s), it's a foul but no yellow card. maybe he de jong was going for the ball too but accidentally made contact with the opponent chest? accident do happen but diving and acting is u do on purpose. when xavi kick the opponent leg and crying for penalty i feel so disgrace abt his attitude.
When you raise your leg to that level, it's considered dangerous play, else every player would kick the opposing player on the head during corners, on the pretext that they were going for the ball.
Do you play soccer?
Holland don't dive and pull jersey?
You don't think the kung fu kick was intentional?
I have nothing else to comment.
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Originally posted by DemonFox:
lol if i say i bought draw will u believe me? i not denying spain is the better team. but u cant deny the webb is helping the spainish players. If spain were to win by not over acting and diving and the help of ref. i have no problem saying tat spain deserve to win the champion. but losing in such a way is clearly not the kind of final i would want to see. Holland and spain play so hard to reach the final and either side lose in such a way will be sad to see. ok holland play dirty isnt spanish players play a part too? by acting and diving? And ref is helping spainish side no doubt about tat. Oh ya i watch soccer too and know the rules :D and abt the de jong kong fu kick ya i tink is a bad foul but i dun tink is on purpose. oh ya didnt u say When you are going for the ball accidentally made contact with the opponent's leg(s), it's a foul but no yellow card. maybe he de jong was going for the ball too but accidentally made contact with the opponent chest? accident do happen but diving and acting is u do on purpose. when xavi kick the opponent leg and crying for penalty i feel so disgrace abt his attitude.
the fouls committed by the spanish are typical in a football match. play-acting and exaggerating is also part of the modern game. i agree with beta that some of the tackles committed by the dutch are malicious. they went for the leg instead of the ball.
the dutch were lucky to have gotten only one red.
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Originally posted by βÎτά:
When you raise your leg to that level, it's considered dangerous play, else every player would kick the opposing player on the head during corners, on the pretext that they were going for the ball.
Do you play soccer?
Holland don't dive and pull jersey?
You don't think the kung fu kick was intentional?
I have nothing else to comment.
so if u play soccer u know everything abt soccer? i say tat is dangerous play no doubt abt it but i dun tink players go out to kick ppl chest rite? So spain dun kick players leg? so spain players are saint? when de jong kick alonso chest the ball was in the air. if u say tat the ball in on the ground and u kick his chest i am 100% sure tat was intentional . but now is going for the ball how can you be so sure about it? i dun play much soccer but i do play soccer. when i play my eyes will be on the ball not the players. how can u say he mean to kick him on the chest?
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Group Stage Yellow Cards
Spain = 0
Holland = 6
2nd Stage Yellow Cards (not including Finals)
Spain = 3
Holland = 9
So are you telling us that all the referees are siding with Spain? If so, then what is the point of you watching World Cup? It's all fixed.
I like what a commentator said at the conclusion of the game, "more often than not, it is always the non-deserving team that wins, but today it is different".
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You should look at the video again, then tell me De Jong's foot actually missed the ball by inches.
Even the commentator said that De Jong has no intention to play the ball, he should have been given a red card.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFP0zYEdh0g
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well paraguay game againist spain they score a goal in the half was disallow. maybe is fixed i dunno? maybe those who play football know?
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spainiards famous for play acting when being fouled.
despicable and always go to referee wave imaginary card all the time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RINJobmWeFc
busquest act on the ground and inter guy got red carded. but inter still hang out for win. haha this is justice!
but netherlands also is a lousy team. only two ppl brought them to the finals - sneijder and felipe melo.
yeah and why is EPL so kelong? because its english referees, who are mostly cocked eyed along with their linesmen.
although webb was ok, dutch play like shit. robben should have been red carded for time wasting. plus ppl like v persie also like invisible.
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At one glance, it may seem as though the referee was biased against Holland.
But seriously, pretty much all the cards that Webb dished out were justifiable under the circumstances, and if he had really played by the book, even more would have been dished out.
Hell, both Robben and de Jong could have been sent off, and Holland would have been down to eight men.
de Jong could have been red-carded for that truly malicious kung fu kick to Alonso's chest.
Robben could have gotten a second yellow card for kicking the ball into goal after the whistle had already been blown. The ref perhaps gave him the benefit of the doubt because of the vuvuzelas, but we don't know what were Robben's intentions for sure.
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Originally posted by dragg:
i think webb cant see it from where he was standing.
btw the slow motion did not show any foul. puyol intended to pull robben's jersey but failed.
The point is not whether he failed but the intention was already there...puyol and van bommel were lucky to be still on the pitch...
i dun think de jong's kick was intentional, it looked bad and was dangerous so yellow card was right...
I think if the dutch didn't play the way they did, then it'll be just like watching germany vs spain all over again...spain passing around while the opposite could only watch...can't totally blame dutch for being physical although it wasn't nice to watch too..and i dun think dutch can play total football even if they wanted to against a team like spain.
iniesta and xavi were a disgrace for waving the imaginary card at every opportunity even when it was clear that they dived...xavi for that pen appeal as well when it was clear he just kicked into heitinga's leg and tripped himself..
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Holland starting with Van Bommel and De Jong for every match already signal their intention to break down the opponent's attacks and midfield. Robben was stupid, he should have gone down under the challenge from Puyol then Webb will have no choice but to send Puyol off. Like what Iniesta did to Heitinga.
Anyway again, the dutch were truly testing Howard Webb's patience with their constant fouling and at times over the board tackling of the legs instead of the ball, and Iniesta always draw fouls no matter who he plays against and yet they kept giving him the chance to go down which he is entitled to when there is contact.
And yeah the waving of the imaginary card has to go. The spanish team is known for their theatrics, but yet again who gave them the chance to do it? None other then the Dutch.
But anyway, thats how teams plays against Barcelona nowadays i guess.
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Originally posted by dragg:
i hope never to see this spanish team in a major tournament again.
they deserved the win no doubt but they played terribly boring football. there were way too many passes. cant they just shoot when the opportunity present itself. stop dribbling and passing just for the sake of it.
both torres and van persie hardly did anything for their country in this tournament. yet both got medals.
They're abit like Arsenal pass too much and reluctant to take the shot, although i should be saying Barcelona, but Barcelona creates much more chances and tend to be more clinical with em. This Spanish team is probably something like Barcelona without the penetration and skills of Messi.
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Originally posted by βÎτά:
You should look at the video again, then tell me De Jong's foot actually missed the ball by inches.
Even the commentator said that De Jong has no intention to play the ball, he should have been given a red card.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFP0zYEdh0g
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Originally posted by TTFU:
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The Dutch fully derserved to lose. De Jong was lucky that Webb, under the pressure of the WC final, is reluctant to show a straight red card in the first half. We could have easily ended with 9 Dutch and 10 Spanish players left by the end of ET.
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It is a good match.
Both sides play well with equal chances of winning the world cup.
Holland is very creative in creating chances.
Indeed, Holland has to start kicking legs like what they do to Brazil. Simply, because, in the terms of skills, Spain and bazil is just much better. But well, getting world cup is not about individual skills, reputation or whatever.
I consider the referee is bias to both sides. He is more of a whim. I guess. But becoz of that, we get to see an exciting match with extra time. Any misjudgement like red card and penalty could easily cause the whole match to be ruined.
Hence, thumbs up for the whimpy referee.
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those who say its boring yes...i argee..
those who say spain very rough... no no... if spain rough then what about that super kick ? should be straight red liaos. van bommel also another 1...whole match play wrestling.. robben also fall and fly everywhere ..sneji also very sore..
holland have better chances..2 one on one .but they dont take it..too bad then..
spain good job..i think man of match should be iker..
euro winner..now wc winner.. double happiness..next world cup to watch should be germany team.. hmm..