NCDCC Footdrills
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ok now regarding foot drills in NCDCC...
there has been alot of hoo-haa on who is right and who is wrong.... so i'm here to clear everything up....
which standard of foot drills do we follow?
we are NCDCC (part of Home Team Cadet Corp HQ "HTCC HQ" as well as MOE)
therefore we do not come strictly under Singapore Civil Defence Force, we just learn their Civil Defence skills and knowledge....
Singapore Civil Defence Force drills come mainly in form of following the army styled foot drill manual...
However, being under the NCDCC, we do not follow the army terms of foot drills... because we are under the HTCC HQ, we follow what has been thought from HTCC HQ, therefore we strictly come under the Singapore Police Force (SPF) standards of foot drills...
clarification on check-in-bang
the term check-in-bang is not for people with short legs, and also NCDCC are not the first to use it as Police trainees in Home Team Academy and back at Old Police Academy have been using this standard for a very long time....
the difference between [check-1-bang] & [check-in-bang]
check-1-bang... --> at the point of "1", you take one more step with you're left foot forward, overshooting the position of the right foot, before coming to a compete halt...
check-in-bang... --> at the point of "in", you actually "slide" your left foot so that it coincides its position together with the right foot before coming to a complete halt...
so why do we use check-in-bang?
the reason is clear... people marching have to maintain their "one arm and 3 inches" spacing from the person infront... by using "check-in-bang" we actually get to visualise that every one would reach the spot of halting before they actually commence on the bang.
if you use "check-1-bang", you can never tell where is the spot that they will eventually halt on BECAUSE everybody doesn't have a constant spacing once you "bang"... literally put it this way... soem people might take a bigger step at "1", some people might take a shorter step... therefore there is inconsistency, yes you may halt together, but the dressing of the squad at halt position would be TOTALLY off...
so yeah... hope this can clarify on the drills... anything can message me and i'll try to answer as much as i can...
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Very well described!
BTW, in NCDCC, we learn basic footdrills.
But so far, I have not seen any one teaching Advance footdrills to NCDCC cadets. These drills include Baton drills, Flag Drill, Colour Party drill. Some other drills that NCDCC will not learn will be Rifle Drill, Rifle Drill - SAR21, Funeral Drill. Ceremonial Sword Drill, Artillery Drill.
IS there any other drills that I miss out, please do add them in. Thanks -
you will just be more focused on the foot drill categories such as the proficiency badges mentioned Bronze, Silver and Gold...Originally posted by acwire_2125:Very well described!
BTW, in NCDCC, we learn basic footdrills.
But so far, I have not seen any one teaching Advance footdrills to NCDCC cadets. These drills include Baton drills, Flag Drill, Colour Party drill. Some other drills that NCDCC will not learn will be Rifle Drill, Rifle Drill - SAR21, Funeral Drill. Ceremonial Sword Drill, Artillery Drill.
IS there any other drills that I miss out, please do add them in. Thanks
I think it is more than enough to learn foot drills as NCDCC does not incorporate other forms of drills in its parade...
There is no standard no.1 uniform yet for NCDCC although many have seen SCDF wearing number 1 uniform...
also you must understand that the NCDCC does not have any sort of standard weapon to carry.... I don't think we want to carry an Axe, Fire Hose, Impulse Gun, Miz Gun, First Aid set whilst wearing our number 1... neither would we want to wear CA suits and march...
and in the recent magazine edition of 995, i saw a picture of 2 SCDF officers in number 1 attires, one holding a "lance-guard" staff and the other holding the miz-gun... so i believe there are some sort of weapon drills...
NCDCC will be hoping to push for a confirmed number 1 uniform... and in future parades i shall be requesting for NCDCC to learn such movements as
- Flag Drills
- Sword Drills
- Slow March Drills
- maybe "Miz gun" Drills
the drills i shall refer back with Mr Firdous from the police side as to how the procedure goes... only the 4 drills above stated as well as the basic knowledge of foot drills shall be implemented in NCDCC...
There will also be a standard of simple conduction of parades where some of you will be placed as:
- "Parade Markers" for March Pass
- "Turn Out Guard" for Arrival of Guest Of Honour (GOH)
- "Officer In Attendance" for opening GOH cardoor
- "Flag Bearer" for raising or lowering flags
However, drills such as:
- Rifle Drills - M16
- Rifle Drills- SAR21
- Rifle Drills- HK-MP5
- Funeral Drills
- Baton Drills
even Wedding Drills will not be required to be taught in NCDCC as they are irrelevant to subject matters.
I've done all the drills mentioned here already except for the Lance-Guard drills... so i guess i will be able to help NCDCC with the other strings of drills during my stay with NCDCC...
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From Wad I know, Lance guard drill has only been used by the Armour unit from the army as it is their tradition to provide Lanced guards for the President.
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FI FirdausOriginally posted by kancil14:the drills i shall refer back with Mr Firdous from the police side as to how the procedure goes... only the 4 drills above stated as well as the basic knowledge of foot drills shall be implemented in NCDCC... -
You know him?
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Got scolded till upside down by him b4 lor ... so, how? I think he also forgotten about me liao ...
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Well, then you are really lucky!
BTW, have you seen the SPF drill manual before?> -
Wah, thanks ar, hmm, nope ...
SPF manual, not so easy to see one leh ... -
So you have no idea how it looks like? But have you seen it before?
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Nono,
If i am not wrong, it is restricted to SPF personnels, even NPCC peeps also cannot look at it ar ... -
to "acwire_2125":Originally posted by gd4u:Nono,
If i am not wrong, it is restricted to SPF personnels, even NPCC peeps also cannot look at it ar ...
its true what you said about Lance Guard Drills... usually used by SAF for the arrival of the President... but I have yet to ask the SCDF personnel why their number 1 dressed officers used lanced guard drills during their passing out parade this year... if its of some significance, that means lance guard drills could also be used for more than one occasion...
to "gd4u":
i've seen the SPF drill manual before, because during my 2+ years NS, I was posted back to police academy and came directly under FI Firdous for strictly drills and ceremonies... its a nifty handbook that constantly keeps on being updated by FI Firdous during the year cause he tries to keep the drills simple and sweet....
old words of command such as "Akan memberi hormat semasa berjalan, hormat ke kanan, hormat!" <- giving salutation to the right while on the march... FI Firdous made the commands much more simpler to understand... he changed it to: "Memberi hormat semasa berjalan, ke kanan, hormat!"
by doing this... he removed such words that are not really required for the full commands such as:
1. "Akan" = which means "will"
Reason: "memberi hormat semasa berjalan" already means giving salutation on the march, by adding "akan"... it just makes the command longer when we already know what it means...
2. "Hormat x3" = if you realise, the old command has got the text "hormat" 3 times... with a new improvised drill command, FI Firdous made it much more simpler to say...
so yeah, easier to say that he is the right man to ask for drills... haha, plus his 25 years experience in NDP should be more than sufficient...
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Hmm, the hormat on the march, was changed like around june last year, right ??
I remember me feeling strange about the command at that time ... -
Well, some unifrom groups still use the old command. About the Lance drill, I think I have read it some where before. Let me do a search.....
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4.4 - Presidential Lance Guard Pennon
On National Day Parades, one can see the Presidential Lance Guards who will form up upon the President's arrival and departure. They carry lances with a pennon attached beneath the spearhead. Lances today function as mainly ceremonial items.
Shown here is the pennon of the Lance Guards from the Armour formation, as used at National Day Parades. It is triangular, embroidered and fringed. The pennon features the insignia of the unit/formation supplying the Lance Guards which has traditionally been from the Armour formation.
The lances will be kept upright at all times, until the President arrives or when he is leaving at which points, the lances will be held at horizontal position until the President takes his place.
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thats great....Originally posted by acwire_2125:4.4 - Presidential Lance Guard Pennon
On National Day Parades, one can see the Presidential Lance Guards who will form up upon the President's arrival and departure. They carry lances with a pennon attached beneath the spearhead. Lances today function as mainly ceremonial items.
Shown here is the pennon of the Lance Guards from the Armour formation, as used at National Day Parades. It is triangular, embroidered and fringed. The pennon features the insignia of the unit/formation supplying the Lance Guards which has traditionally been from the Armour formation.
The lances will be kept upright at all times, until the President arrives or when he is leaving at which points, the lances will be held at horizontal position until the President takes his place.
thanks for the information... i just found out that this drill was a strict use "in" SAF for the president...
however, after talking with FI Firdous, i realized that it too can be used "in" SCDF for other purposes depending on how important is the event... interesting indeed... -
Well, is it possible if you find out the commands of the drill?
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Then what about SPF ???
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i dun believe that SPF has Lance drill.
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to acwire_2125:
there may be a command... there might not be a command... i'll check back with Mr Ramasamy (Singapore Air Forces RSM)
to gd4u:
well... im not gonna deny that SPF cannot use the drills... but I don't think SPF would not find it of any use to them.... -
Thanks dude!
Well, I believe the army has many more drills. BTW, do you guys have any idea wads the command for Pace stick drill? I myself have neer even heard of it before. Been surfing some webpages and found out that UK even has Pace Sticking compeition.
http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-equip/pace-stick.htm
BTW, I've come across this intresting info:
Four-part commands
The typical parade commands are spoken extremely clearly and emphatically, and consist of four major parts.
1. Identifier, or who is to follow the command. This is typically (number) Section, (number) Platoon, (letter) Company, or (name) Regiment, although the prefixes are often dropped when there is no ambiguity (Section, Platoon, Company (Coy,) or Regiment.) Parade can only be given by the parade commander, and always refers to the entire parade, regardless of size.
2. Precautionary, or what is to be done in an adstract sense: Move to the Advance, Move to the Retire, etc. (This is not always used in American usage)
3. Cautionary, or the first part of what is to be done. In American usage, this is called the "preparatory command."
4. Executive, or execution, a single syllable on which the soldiers actually move. This is as true in the United States armed forces as in other services; however, the accent of the commander often leads this to be heard as simply huh on commands such as "Present Arms" and "Order Arms." There is always a significant pause between the Cautionary and the Executive. In American usage, the executive command is always given a greater emphasis than the preparatory command.
i.e.
* 4 Platoon (Identifier,) Moving to the Right in File (Precautionary,) Right (Cautionary,) Turn (Executive.)
* B Coy (Identifier,) Advance (Precautionary,) Left (Cautionary,) Turn (Executive.)
* (U.S. usage) Battalion (Identifier), Right (Cautionary), FACE.
* Brigade (Identifier).
Often there is no chance of ambiguity, and much of the command can be unspoken. In such cases there must always be the Cautionary and the Executive.
* Present Arms
* Atten -Tion
P.S. I was wondering how come in Singapore, we are thought of only the three part command and not the above 4 part command? -
well the reason why we don't need a four part drill is that we don't need the identifier.... we know in a parade that identifiers are standard already:Originally posted by acwire_2125:Thanks dude!
Well, I believe the army has many more drills. BTW, do you guys have any idea wads the command for Pace stick drill? I myself have neer even heard of it before. Been surfing some webpages and found out that UK even has Pace Sticking compeition.
http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-equip/pace-stick.htm
BTW, I've come across this intresting info:
Four-part commands
The typical parade commands are spoken extremely clearly and emphatically, and consist of four major parts.
1. Identifier, or who is to follow the command. This is typically (number) Section, (number) Platoon, (letter) Company, or (name) Regiment, although the prefixes are often dropped when there is no ambiguity (Section, Platoon, Company (Coy,) or Regiment.) Parade can only be given by the parade commander, and always refers to the entire parade, regardless of size.
2. Precautionary, or what is to be done in an adstract sense: Move to the Advance, Move to the Retire, etc. (This is not always used in American usage)
3. Cautionary, or the first part of what is to be done. In American usage, this is called the "preparatory command."
4. Executive, or execution, a single syllable on which the soldiers actually move. This is as true in the United States armed forces as in other services; however, the accent of the commander often leads this to be heard as simply huh on commands such as "Present Arms" and "Order Arms." There is always a significant pause between the Cautionary and the Executive. In American usage, the executive command is always given a greater emphasis than the preparatory command.
i.e.
* 4 Platoon (Identifier,) Moving to the Right in File (Precautionary,) Right (Cautionary,) Turn (Executive.)
* B Coy (Identifier,) Advance (Precautionary,) Left (Cautionary,) Turn (Executive.)
* (U.S. usage) Battalion (Identifier), Right (Cautionary), FACE.
* Brigade (Identifier).
Often there is no chance of ambiguity, and much of the command can be unspoken. In such cases there must always be the Cautionary and the Executive.
* Present Arms
* Atten -Tion
P.S. I was wondering how come in Singapore, we are thought of only the three part command and not the above 4 part command?
"Baris" (Everybody)
"Kawalan Kehormatan" (Guard Of Honour)
"Squad" (Squad) =P
so there is no need of a redundance to put in the identifier... so just stick to the THREE most important points... -
Ok, thanks for the clarification.
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Oh, BTW, today we learned the elbow dressing, is it possible if you could tell us the excat words of the command and how the hand positioning will be in this command. Thanks Kancil!
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and wat is the command for elbow dressing