Originally posted by Jeno:
i quote "Glassglow rangers and now Celtic are capable of competing against the best in europe, never mind SPL or EPL. " ...
for this line.. i onli got one thing to say... Artmedia.. Celtic got knocked out by this team.. remember ? i certainly dun think that Artmedia is included in your list of best teams in Europe ? dun u think so too ?
yes.. a fluke.. u might say..
then u would carry on saying that Man utd lost to poorer teams b4...
Another no brainer comparison ?
"Can your arguments get any dumber? getting 1 yellow a game does not equal a suspension. But sure, let him accumulate them and get loads of suspension this season. Let's see how that goes. "
haha.. dumber ? i dun think u get my point at all.. dude..
let him accumulate them ? i quote again.. u mentioned that he gets more yellow cards than any other player at united... i m very sure that is not the case..
and the matter of fact is that if he doesn't get suspended.. who cares abt how many yellows he collect... (p.s. i do know that 1 yellow doesn't mean 1 game suspension.. duhx)
u were right in saying that for every i raised.. you could mention a whole list of players who did wrong things too.. that's the main point ! then why are u listing off rooney's cheating and so for ? when so many other players are doing those shite too ? jus a personal opinion of mine..
"Won't waste my time answering this." this is in regards to missing sitters.. maybe i shouldn't answer you on this point in the 1st place.. cause it is an absolute no-brainer point from u in the 1st place..
Regarding abt Big Sam n Martin O'Neill (not O'Neal.. he's not some black american basketball player.. duhx) ..
Does it mean that u buy British players and not foreign players.. equate to u being a good manager ? Get a life dude ! duhx...
"'budget even lesser than what MArtin O'Neill had'??? You dun even have your facts right. " ---> then u showed me the facts ...
Abt cantona.. yes.. he revolutionsed united.. but it wasn't him who spared Fergie from the chop... that's my point..
"Based on the total time SPENT in the UCL, Martin O'Neal has progressed much further than Fergie." .. care to enlighten me on this point ? how do you count the progression ? on an average ? How many times did O'Neill got celtic into the last 8.. the answer is a resounding 0...
how many had fergie brought them in there ? at least 8 times...
that's ur answer... i dun count the CL Victory in 99.. there isn't even a need to compare...
All in all.. my final point is that ... yes.. we might have screwed up.. but calling for Fergie's head is definitely not the solution right now... Fans have always been calling for loyalty from players... but where's the loyalty from them in showing support for "arguably" the best manager of all time ?
Obviously, you seem too eager to polish your dirt than admit that Man Utd have flaws which ferguson (which you blindly proclaim 'the best manager of all time") can't seem to correct.
Footballers should remember that while they are big earners, they should remain role models. The only publicity Rooney has earned so far is negative and considering his youth, that likely bodes worse things to come; unless he changes. I have stated the reasons why he was a bad buy at 27 Mil pounds but for reasons only the blind can answer, you choose to evade them and draw irrelevant parallel comparisons.
For Celtic, i would not waste time drawing comparisions to MU's losses to poorer teams. Bratislava came back from 2 goals down to beat FC Porto in their own stadium. So don't rationalise this team as small. They've proven that a compact game can hurt giants. FC Thun also notched a first in beating Sparta Prague, proving that there is no such thing as small teams anymore in the UCL.
And yes, it was an obvious 5-0 fluke, especially when the return leg was 4-0 in their favour. I would also add that O'Neill left Celtic and for gordon strachan, a relatively inexperienced manager at european level, it would take time to forge a new era.
Being already aware that Martin spent a fraction of the time in UCL then ferguson, how can you directly compare the two? Saying that Fergie reached as many quarter finals as he did compared to O'Neill's zero is simply contemptuous.
By comparing the quality of celtic's first season in UCL, with all the points i raised, anyone (except the blind) will admit they performed admirably, beating difficult teams like Barca and Juve. And they only missed out on the 2nd round by a single point. Would Man Utd have performed that well in their first season had they been grouped with such giants? After being 'taught a football lesson' in their first season UCL by Juve back in the 90s, the answer will be a resounding no.
And yes, with so many seasons in UCL, if fergie didn't get past the group stage each time, he would be out of a job.
Celtic had nowhere near the resources as Man Utd did and O'Neill spent prudently to get the best out of mid-priced players and journeymen, footballers like Chris Sutton, John Hartson and Neil Lennon. In the last 3 years, Ferguson has spent millions on players like Rio Ferdinard, Tim Howard, louis saha, david bellion and kleberson and he has failed to get the most out of them.
Worst, kleberson was sold, tim howard suddenly lost form and is now relegated to the sub's bench, bellion plays more with the reserves then the first team and rio ferdinard stalled on his contract negotiations, drawing the wraith of both manager and fans, this coming after the much-publicised debacle of his missed doping test.
Evidently, you avoid the points i raised regarding O'Neill's abilities and instead choose to banter on rubbish. READ my post again on Sam and Martin at Bolton and Leicester.
Did i say managers who buy foreign players = bad managers? Do you even open your eyes when you read? What separates the two is the use of youth system and homegrown talent vs BUYING a new team.
You reply with delusional arguments and irrelevant snide remarks and expect me to take you seriously? If you don't even know what both Allardyce and O'Neill spent on their squads, then don't try to manoeuvre that info out of me. Go do some real research before posting trash.