China should be banned from next Asian Cup
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WHAT IS WRONG WITH BOOING THE DIRTY LITTLE JAPS?
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they killed yr ancestors in china.. so you think the chinamans will forgive them?
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I remembered very vividly that during the 1988 Seoul Olympics and other soccer matches between south koreans and Japanese, Japanese were always kanna booed and harassed by south koreans. Now the Chinese are doing the same thing.
If I am Japanese, I would really have to ask myself why my two closest neighbours are so pissed off at my country? -
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Sometimes, i really wonder. Do those chinese fans fools really wanna start a WW3 wif Jap again? It is patriotic to support their home team in e Olympics, but it is ungentlemanly to bring in a grudges frm past year smelly cakes into the picture. The dignity of Chinese around the world is at stake when China is hosting the Olympics.
But the resent is just enuff towards the Japs. Consider the dmg they done to China during WW2 and the NanJin massacre. It amazing how a few powerful ppl of the country can set in place an eternal feud for future generations wif other countries.
Yeah... those were wartimes. But it's peacetime now. Seriously, i tink it's really abt time Jap admit the mistakes made during WW2 now and apologise to the rest of e world. Juz wonder abt e repercussion of doing so though... Only way out of this is to wait for all survivals of WW2 to be dead for 3-4 generations already, b4 this matter can come to rest. While there's no war again in e next 200 years, all feuds should end. But of cos... USA and Iraq... Taiwan and China... Sigh... Oops! Sry! I digressed.
Err... I tink the Olympics can still b held at China though. It's more on China government's own responsibility to ensure e correct value of thoughts be rooted into the citizens instead. History are meant to be learnt from, not to remind of some grudges to hold. The bomb drop at Hiroshima and Nagasaki already gave them a fair share of the pain anyway. In war, any1 dead are mostly innocents anyway. Juz selfish power play of politics figures. -
Should we ban Vietnam for doping, cheating, ill-treating competitors from other countries during SEA games?
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Well I don't see why the 2008 Olympics cannot be held in China. Even England a country that has so many violent soccer hooligans can still be allowed to host a big tournament like Euro 96 so why not China...Originally posted by egotist:Err... I tink the Olympics can still b held at China though.
Anyway Sepp Blatter the FIFA President has even backed China to host a future World Cup. -
when will singapore have such a chance to host all these events? 100 years later?
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Let them play. Its the fault of the spectators not the sportsman. Dun penalise the wrong person.
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Never this chance, my friend. We dun have large land areas for their activities. We are so minature in size in terms of everything. We dun even have much of our own talent to boost abt. Even those who rep Singapore, are mostly non-Singaporeans. We should be very grateful tt they are willing to help Singapore, instead of their own country.Originally posted by rongshao85:when will singapore have such a chance to host all these events? 100 years later?
To survive in sg, u nid talents. If u got talents but are useless, ur starve. Taking up sports and arts as a career are meant for e richer ppl who dun nid to worry abt life expenses as much. Unless ur lucky enuff tt some stranger or e country recognise yr talent, and is going to sponsor u for yr everyday expenses in order to let u concentrate on yr pursue in sports, else i dun tink we'll have much of our own ppl in e subsequent Olympics.
Btw, cheers to those who rep SG in e current Olympics, esp da guy who beat China's LinDan for badminton. Wasn't expecting tt to happen. -
well said. but too bad. this is singapore. sad.Originally posted by egotist:To survive in sg, u nid talents. If u got talents but are useless, ur starve. Taking up sports and arts as a career are meant for e richer ppl who dun nid to worry abt life expenses as much. Unless ur lucky enuff tt some stranger or e country recognise yr talent, and is going to sponsor u for yr everyday expenses in order to let u concentrate on yr pursue in sports, else i dun tink we'll have much of our own ppl in e subsequent Olympics. -
An international committee of seven participating countries has been set up to lobby for the inclusion of a number of Asian sports into the Olympics.
The committee has called itself the "International Committee Of Asian Olympic Games Inclusion (ICAOGI)".
The participating countries consists of India, China, Malaysia, Indonesia, Hong Kong, Japan and Singapore.
Elected Chairman of the Committee, Singaporean Mr Wang Too Play, said, "We are tired of the fact that so many of the Olympics sports are of Western origins. We think ah, sports with a more Asian flavour should be included. lor. Otherwise, not fair leh."
Mr Wang revealed that a list of Asian sports has already been submitted to the International Olympic Committee (IOC) for consideration. He hopes that the IOC will accept their proposals to include the sports by the next Olympics in Beijing in year 2008.
Organising Member Ms Saya binte Main commented further, "There are an abundance of Asian sports that are worthy of inclusion into the Olympics. We are merely calling for the IOC to recognise this fact."
The list of Asian sports includes the following:
1) Kopitiam Navigation: The sport of navigation where navigators plough through a crowded kopitiam (or coffeeshop) with a tray of various drinks such as teh peng, milo peng, or even scaldingly hot kopi. Judges and audiences will sit around at tables with the liberty to move about to increase the difficulty level of the sport. Navigator with the least
amount of spilled liquid wins a gold medal, and future job opportunities in prestigious kopitiams in his/ her home country.
2) Sale: A tray of clothes will be piled high in front of every player. At the whistle, all players must dig frantically for the piece of clothing the judges specify. Fastest player wins a gold medal and a lifelong opportunity to serve as a salesperson in his/ her home country.
3) Bus Marathon: This sport will take place in a stadium. Runners run after a single bus at the sound of a whistle. First runner to board the bus wins a gold medal and will never have to worry about taking a bus in his/ her home country again.
4) Sardine Train: This is a very difficult sport to master and has its roots in India, Singapore, Hong Kong and Japan. Judges stand by a non-moving train and squeeze players into the train. Most comfortable player wins a gold medal and free train rides in his/ her home country for life.
5) Noodle Maker: This sport originated from China and requires an enormous amount of technique and physical strength. Contestants must wear white and knead dough till it becomes thin noodles. Contestant with the thinnest noodle wins a gold medal and free noodles in his/ her home country for life.
by talkingcock.com Hennie Rogers
haha take a look quite funny.. -
Maybe we make an Asean bid that will be possible. Like Japan and Korea co-host world cup.Originally posted by rongshao85:when will singapore have such a chance to host all these events? 100 years later?
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Heh... I thot Jap and Korean still got bad blood between them?Originally posted by paperchicken:Maybe we make an Asean bid that will be possible. Like Japan and Korea co-host world cup. -
Even the Olympics was never free from politics. It goes all the way back to how Olympics originated.Originally posted by Boxer:Politics and sports should be dealt with separately. -
there is but korean fans dun behave as badly as chinese onesOriginally posted by egotist:Heh... I thot Jap and Korean still got bad blood between them? -
something is gravely wrong if chinese do not hate the japanese PEOPLE (not just their politicians) from the core of their souls. japanese atrocities in china were more extensive then in korea. if hostility shown by chinese soccer fans against japs cannot match those of korean fans, the chinese people must ponder and reflect upon themselvesOriginally posted by THE ANALYST:THOUGH I KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THAT THE REACTION OF THE SUPPORTERS ARE ACTUALLY QUITE UNDESIRABLE,
WE SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT CHINA FEELS MIGHTILY AGGRIEVED AT WHAT HAPPENED IN WW2 AND THE BLOODY JAPS SEEM TO BE STILL UNREPENTANT, RECALCITRANT AND DENY THE FACTS AND THE COLD HARD TRUTH.
COMPARE THE JAPS WITH GERMANY AND THEIR RESPONSE AND REACTION TO THE WAR AND THE WILLINGNESS TO ADMIT AND ACCEPT THE TRUTH. -
If ppl think that way then there will be no end to hatred. I think ppl must be forgiving also. Most younger generation Japanese did not know wat happen in the past. Behaviour of the chinese fans will only create more distrust between the two country. Political problems shd be solved by politicians.Originally posted by boy in blues:something is gravely wrong if chinese do not hate the japanese PEOPLE (not just their politicians) from the core of their souls. japanese atrocities in china were more extensive then in korea. if hostility shown by chinese soccer fans against japs cannot match those of korean fans, the chinese people must ponder and reflect upon themselves -
there is a simple way to end this hatred. 1st, an Japan should say it is sorry and promise not to do it again............Originally posted by paperchicken:If ppl think that way then there will be no end to hatred. I think ppl must be forgiving also. Most younger generation Japanese did not know wat happen in the past. Behaviour of the chinese fans will only create more distrust between the two country. Political problems shd be solved by politicians.
after which we walk into their country and slay (plus torture, rape etc) 300 thousand of their civilians, after that, we wait for a while, like say for a century to pass. and then tell them we are sorry and promise not to do it again. and then chinese and japs can finally shake hands and be friends and live happily ever after.
younger generation japs know fully well what happened, even though history text-books have been white-washed. jap authorities altered textbooks not to hide the truth from their youngsters but to lead the rest of asia to believe that their youngsters don't know the truth simply because they didn't learn in school. but just like us, jap youngsters learn many things not just from text-books but from other sources like from their parents who in turn learned from their parents. in japan, war criminals are honored and their war crimes, glorified. their old soldiers have never stopped boasting to their grand-children about how many chinese civilians (not soldiers) they slaughtered or raped. and this is the kind of example they are being taught to follow, to pass on this legacy. the main reason why younger generation japs never had any intention of apologizing is because they fully approve and applaud their ancestors' war crimes and will not hesitate to repeat it at the next opportunity.
and one more VERY important thing we must be very clear about. we should not make jap politicians the scape-goats and bear the full guilt of war crimes. make no mistake, all of the jap people in general are fully responsible. why? because they all supported their military propaganda. jap soldiers were not forced to join the army but they volunteered. the 300 thousand nanjing CIVILIANS (not soldiers) were slaughtered by whom? no, not by their politicians or emperor, not by General Yamashiita, not even by ONE jap pilot who flew ONE bomber over china and dropped one atomic bomb. but by thousands of individual jap soldiers who were simply encouraged to kill as they please.
so there you have it. this isn't war. this is mass murder.
especially since a sincere apology from japs can take this much time and consideration, (compared to germany) it has become completely inconsequential whether japs apologize or not. the bottom-line is at least 300 thousand jap civilians must die. 300 thousand is just a conservative round figure (assuming japs only killed civilians in that one single operation!!!???) and japs should be grateful for this discount. if we were to be as calculative as to charge interest of one jap life for everyday's delay in payment, there won't be enough japs to kill. the only problem is, most old soldiers are dead. and all those remaining may not make up the whole figure. so which other japs should die? but wait! the chinese civilians who died during the massacre weren't old soldiers either. they were mostly youth in their prime who were deemed a threat or young ladies whose bodies japs used satisfy their lust. and don't forget babies. they threw innocent young babies and caught them in mid-air using bayonets! (if you just take some time to imagine this scene of carnage and demonstration of extreme cruelty, you won't take long to conclude every jap that walks this planet is actually existing into over-time. there isn't a single one of them that deserves to live a day longer.) that baby-bayonetting game is sport to them just like you and i play soccer everyday. this ain't no boogyman tale your gramps made up to scare you. it's real as hell. and this reality didn't happen in the dark ages where babarians go berserk and raid villages everyday. japan at that time was a developed civilization. their mums taught them it was wrong to kill and this was what they did. with that in mind, it makes absolutely no sense to kill their old soldiers as punishment right? we should be slaying their younger generation instead. and to argue that we shouldn't because they are innocent would be utterly ridiculous. because the chinese civilians who died were innocent as well. so why should innocent chinese die and innocent japs spared. wouldn't that imply chinese lives have less value then jap? surely nothing could be further from the truth.
anyway, there is no end to this shiit if one wants to elaborate.....
those who forgive japs. i admire your charitable spirit. because you have given forgiveness when japs never asked for it in the 1st place. just remember not to be so charitable when people owe you money.
the whole point of this, is that japs must understand that they cannot do something like this and expect to run away scot-free. there is a price to pay. the debts of the dead must be paid by their offspring because they represent one and the same thing. when you delay in paying your debts, you got to pay additional interest and people lose faith in your sincerity -
There's a slight chance that Japan might apologise to China someday. China is now the third or fourth largest importing nation in the world. In fact China is now the second largest buyer of Japanese exports. Japanese economy is becoming increasingly dependent on China for growth. For economical reasons, Japan might compromise...
As to Singapore, I don't think there's any chance that Japan will apologise at all. The Japanese are very smart and pragmatic. They know very well that we are just a small nation that needs Japan much much more than they need us. They don't see the need to apologise to S'pore at all.
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and jap's most sincere apology to china and korea might go something like this, "because you are our valued customer, because we wish to maintain a good business relationship with you, beause we want to earn your money, we have decided that we are sorry about the past. enough small talk, now let's talk business."Originally posted by Blueray:There's a slight chance that Japan might apologise to China someday. China is now the third or fourth largest importing nation in the world. In fact China is now the second largest buyer of Japanese exports. Japanese economy is becoming increasingly dependent on China for growth. For economical reasons, Japan might compromise...
As to Singapore, I don't think there's any chance that Japan will apologise at all. The Japanese are very smart and pragmatic. They know very well that we are just a small nation that needs Japan much much more than they need us. They don't see the need to apologise to S'pore at all.
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haha...u are wrong and yes for ur 2cent worth.japanese already apologise to singapore liao..not in word, but by building a icon at marina-sqare. singapore ban all japanese ship from parking at singapore port after WW2 when japanese trying to avoid apologise to singapore.Originally posted by Blueray:There's a slight chance that Japan might apologise to China someday. China is now the third or fourth largest importing nation in the world. In fact China is now the second largest buyer of Japanese exports. Japanese economy is becoming increasingly dependent on China for growth. For economical reasons, Japan might compromise...
As to Singapore, I don't think there's any chance that Japan will apologise at all. The Japanese are very smart and pragmatic. They know very well that we are just a small nation that needs Japan much much more than they need us. They don't see the need to apologise to S'pore at all.
Just my 2 cents worth.
for god seek....study ur history of singapore.
and somemore, had u watch the history tape ?
japanese sign the war defeat at singapore. at that time they also had apologise to singapore..and disarm themself infront of singaporean.if u really know ur enemy, disarm their weapon infront of other people is great sincere. -
Really ? Sg forced Japan to apologise ? I think this is not mentioned in history texts or lessons.Originally posted by paperduck:haha...u are wrong and yes for ur 2cent worth.japanese already apologise to singapore liao..not in word, but by building a icon at marina-sqare. singapore ban all japanese ship from parking at singapore port after WW2 when japanese trying to avoid apologise to singapore.
for god seek....study ur history of singapore. -
yes....school histroy dont teach this kind of thing 1 liao..singapore govt also dont want the WW2 hate to expand width to the younger generation.Originally posted by paperchicken:Really ? Sg forced Japan to apologise ? I think this is not mentioned in history texts or lessons.
like the time before 1965, school never teach the real truth why singapore independent , i mean all the real story. u ask ur parent, they will tell u more about singapore's indepandant than the school had teach you. -
I think they want to give face to Japan lah. Anyway quite surprised that sg dare to pressurise a big country that way.Originally posted by paperduck:yes....school histroy dont teach this kind of thing 1 liao..singapore govt also dont want the WW2 hate to expand width to the younger gen. -
this is what you and i might be surprise to know now..but at that time ,it no big deal.Originally posted by paperchicken:I think they want to give face to Japan lah. Anyway quite surprised that sg dare to pressurise a big country that way.
at that time,asia strongest US and England NAVY is in singapore.
that why they force to sign defeat at singapore.
somemore at that time japanese econ is not that strong yet .
china can pressurise japan too, but mr-chairman Mao delay and delay until japanese dont care.