LIES behind Israel's creation........
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Michel Collon, a Belgian journalist and author, recounted "big lies" spread by Western media to "justify the existence and actions of Israel"..............
1) Israel was established in reaction to the massacre of Jews during the World War 2. Israel was a project approved in the First Zionist Congress in Basel, Switzerland, in 1897, when nationalist Jews decided to occupy Palestine.
2) The Jews are returning to their forefathers' land after been driven away in 70 A.D. Famous Israeli historian Shlomo Sand and other historians said there was no "exodus," so "return" is meaningless. The people living in Palestine have not left their land in the ancient era.
Descendents of Jews residing in Palestine are the people who are currently living in Palestine. Those who claim they want to return to their lands originate from Western and Eastern Europe and Northern Africa.
Sand says there is no Jewish nation. The Jews do not have common history, language or culture. The only common thing between them is their religion, and religion does not make a nation3) When Jewish immigrants occupied Palestine, it was an empty and uninhibited country.
However, there are documents and evidences that prove that in the 19th century the agricultural products of Palestine were exported to different countries as well as a sizeable Arab population.4) The Palestinians left their country on their own free will. Israeli historians like Benny Morris and Ilan Pappe said that Palestinians were driven away and banished from their lands by using force and terror.
5) It is said that today Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East and it should be protected; it is the "government of law."
Yet it is the only regime that no law defines its territory and boundaries. All countries have a constitution which defines their boundaries, but no such thing applies to Israel. Israel is an expansionist project and its law is completely racist; according to this law Israel is the country for Jews, and its non-Jew citizens are not considered human.When one talks about these facts and the history of Israel, they call you anti-Semite to keep you silent. Yet they do not believe in the equality of Jews, Christians and Muslims, and destroys the peace between followers of different religions.
The mass media say that Palestinians cause violence and terrorism but it was Israel's occupation of Palestine that is violent, stealing land from Palestinians that is violent.
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If these were facts, by right they shouldn't even exist. Any country in the world to approve of them are downright ignorant.
Its a bloody invasion just like how the foreigners will one day occupy Singapore. Except in our case its an inside job done by inside people rather than a direct invasion.
Should this be true, they fucking do not have the right to engage in any violence against the Palestinians. What the fuck is the UN doing?
The zionists deserve to be nuked and tortured slowly for the casualties towards the innocent.
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in fact, by the UN regulations over the Israel/ Palestine creation back in the 1940's....................Israel is illegal.
many jews from other countries didn't want to go there becoz they all know it was a state created by the Rothschilds, including the flag.
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Originally posted by Asromanista2001:
in fact, by the UN regulations over the Israel/ Palestine creation back in the 1940's....................Israel is illegal.
many jews from other countries didn't want to go there becoz they all know it was a state created by the Rothschilds, including the flag.
and now its legal?
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on paper, Israel is still illegal !
but with US, UK and Europe controlled by the Zionists, Israel will continue doing what it wants.
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Originally posted by Asromanista2001:
Michel Collon, a Belgian journalist and author, recounted "big lies" spread by Western media to "justify the existence and actions of Israel"..............
1) Israel was established in reaction to the massacre of Jews during the World War 2. Israel was a project approved in the First Zionist Congress in Basel, Switzerland, in 1897, when nationalist Jews decided to occupy Palestine.
2) The Jews are returning to their forefathers' land after been driven away in 70 A.D. Famous Israeli historian Shlomo Sand and other historians said there was no "exodus," so "return" is meaningless. The people living in Palestine have not left their land in the ancient era.
Descendents of Jews residing in Palestine are the people who are currently living in Palestine. Those who claim they want to return to their lands originate from Western and Eastern Europe and Northern Africa.
Sand says there is no Jewish nation. The Jews do not have common history, language or culture. The only common thing between them is their religion, and religion does not make a nation3) When Jewish immigrants occupied Palestine, it was an empty and uninhibited country.
However, there are documents and evidences that prove that in the 19th century the agricultural products of Palestine were exported to different countries as well as a sizeable Arab population.4) The Palestinians left their country on their own free will. Israeli historians like Benny Morris and Ilan Pappe said that Palestinians were driven away and banished from their lands by using force and terror.
5) It is said that today Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East and it should be protected; it is the "government of law."
Yet it is the only regime that no law defines its territory and boundaries. All countries have a constitution which defines their boundaries, but no such thing applies to Israel. Israel is an expansionist project and its law is completely racist; according to this law Israel is the country for Jews, and its non-Jew citizens are not considered human.When one talks about these facts and the history of Israel, they call you anti-Semite to keep you silent. Yet they do not believe in the equality of Jews, Christians and Muslims, and destroys the peace between followers of different religions.
The mass media say that Palestinians cause violence and terrorism but it was Israel's occupation of Palestine that is violent, stealing land from Palestinians that is violent.Qur'an 33:26 says: "Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before."
The damned Jews reclaimed their land but it doesn't matter.
Qur'an:48:22 says: "If the unbelieving infidels fight against you, they will retreat.(Such has been) the practice (approved) of Allah in the past: no change will you find in the ways of Allah."
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
Qur'an 33:26 says: "Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before."
The damned Jews reclaimed their land but it doesn't matter.
Qur'an:48:22 says: "If the unbelieving infidels fight against you, they will retreat.(Such has been) the practice (approved) of Allah in the past: no change will you find in the ways of Allah."
please try not to use quotes like these. please get your sources right. every verse is part of a whole chapter and not understanding the situation in which the verses were revealed is more or less plagiarism.
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Originally posted by Deino:
please try not to use quotes like these. please get your sources right. every verse is part of a whole chapter and not understanding the situation in which the verses were revealed is more or less plagiarism.
You misunderstand the meaning of plagiarism but nevermind.
If there's context in quran verses, i like to hear from you.
Better details of the chronology and context of the events behind the verses were documented by early Muslim historians and compiled into books.
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
You misunderstand the meaning of plagiarism but nevermind.
If there's context in quran verses, i like to hear from you.
Better details of the chronology and context of the events behind the verses were documented by early Muslim historians and compiled into books.
There definitely are better details of the chronology and context etc..
For instance, the both verses you quoted actually contain two verses. The first verses were a reference to a certain jewish tribe in Hijaz, Arabia.
Also the 2nd verse you quoted was about the Makkans from the chapter titled Victory/Conquest.according to wiki "The act of plagiarizing: the copying of another person's ideas, text or other creative work, and presenting it as one's own,especially without permission."
Ok thats not really important.I don't really like to mix religion with politics.
I'm not a racist in any way but come to think of it sometimes i don't feel like blaming the jews. They're like doomed to be wandering forever. But then again, the violence they used makes them no more different than any other nation as a race in the world.
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Originally posted by Deino:
There definitely are better details of the chronology and context etc..
For instance, the both verses you quoted actually contain two verses. The first verses were a reference to a certain jewish tribe in Hijaz, Arabia.
Also the 2nd verse you quoted was about the Makkans from the chapter titled Victory/Conquest.according to wiki "The act of plagiarizing: the copying of another person's ideas, text or other creative work, and presenting it as one's own,especially without permission."
Ok thats not really important.I don't really like to mix religion with politics.
I'm not a racist in any way but come to think of it sometimes i don't feel like blaming the jews. They're like doomed to be wandering forever. But then again, the violence they used makes them no more different than any other nation as a race in the world.
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Quran 33:27 :And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before."
Another version of Quran verse 33:27 : And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, and of a land which ye had not frequented (Before). And Allah has power over all things.
Medina was once Jewish land too. Have you ever wonder how it become the second holiest city in Islam?
The Jewish tribe was Banu Qurayza.They lived in Yathrib, now known as Medina. The tribe was massacred by the Muslim Arabs and their lands and valuables were taken.
As for verse 48:22, The Arabs were always promised abundant spoils that they will capture.
The land of Israel is home to the Jews all along. Now that they have reclaimed it, they need not wonder anymore. It won't happen again.
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Actually, Medina wasn't really Jewish land.
Although the first of settlers there were of the descendants of Shem.
Go read about their history really.The jews only arrived there during the Jewish-Roman wars.
There were like 70 Arab tribes even before Islam arrived there..You really shouldn't read the verses out of context. Like I said before, especially the 2nd verse. You probably should get yourself a copy of the book with guides etc..
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UN and the British are good at cutting up and dividing boundaries. lol!
hahaha
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Wah I dunno Sgforums got Koran expert? gogomunk and deino
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Originally posted by ~PEPPER~:
Wah I dunno Sgforums got Koran expert? gogomunk and deino
I'm no expert. Its just common sense for people of whatever religion not to read stuff out of context. Quoting a verse without really understanding the situation behind the verse could make the verse look different.
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Originally posted by Deino:
Actually, Medina wasn't really Jewish land.
Although the first of settlers there were of the descendants of Shem.
Go read about their history really.The jews only arrived there during the Jewish-Roman wars.
There were like 70 Arab tribes even before Islam arrived there..You really shouldn't read the verses out of context. Like I said before, especially the 2nd verse. You probably should get yourself a copy of the book with guides etc..
The timeline, man. You left out the timeline!
You agreed that the first settlers were descendents of Shem. Shem was the son of Noah. Is it not correct to say that the descendents of Shem were also descendents of Jews?
The presence of Jews in ancient Medina were much earlier than the Arabs, the Banu Qurayza and the Banu Qaynuqa were there long before the pre- Islamic Arab tribes from Yemen arrived centuries later. Enough said?
Quran 33:27 : And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, and of a land which ye had not frequented (Before). And Allah has power over all things.
You cannot fully grasp the meaning of above verse? They were the Muslim Arabs that massacred the Jewish tribes and looted the Jewish land and valuables. Or do you want words quoted from the hadith?
ANd which 2nd verse are you refering to? Pls quote the verse number!
There's no context in the quran, so how to quote out of context?. Reference comes from the Hadith!
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Originally posted by ~PEPPER~:
Wah I dunno Sgforums got Koran expert? gogomunk and deino
Get no kick from this pepper of Sgforums. Way too mild for anyone's liking.
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Originally posted by BadzMaro:
UN and the British are good at cutting up and dividing boundaries. lol!
hahaha
the British have been ruled by the Jews for hundreds of years via the 300+ year-old Bank of England which is PRIVATE.............they always draw boundaries that will create major problems for their former colonies so they can interfere again later..........
Pakistan is another example as well as Iraq..............the Brits will bunch several warring factions in one country knowing there'll be trouble later.
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Originally posted by Asromanista2001:
the British have been ruled by the Jews for hundreds of years via the 300+ year-old Bank of England which is PRIVATE.............they always draw boundaries that will create major problems for their former colonies so they can interfere again later..........
Pakistan is another example as well as Iraq..............the Brits will bunch several warring factions in one country knowing there'll be trouble later.
Duh! You are not a conspiracy theorist after all. Just a staunch believer in conspiracy theories! Conspiracy theories are false and harmful and only a certain kind of people believe in them since time immemorial - stupid people!
When did you start believing in conspiracy theories? Why are you so susceptible to conspiracy theories? Share your experience with us leh, so that we can learn from your stupidity.
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go do some research on The City of London aka The City.................the place is located in London and is the private property of the owners of The Bank of England............it's not a part of England but an independent enclave.
years ago, Channels 5 and 8 used to show the Queen of England entering that place...........she and her retinue walked quickly with their heads bowed and appeared to be like mice encountering a cat !
The Bank of England has been private for over 300 years..............and when you control a country's currency......you control the country..........
Benjamin Disraeli (former British PM) said this.........
'' if the people thinks the government is running the country, they're dreaming............''
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
The timeline, man. You left out the timeline!
You agreed that the first settlers were descendents of Shem. Shem was the son of Noah. Is it not correct to say that the descendents of Shem were also descendents of Jews?
The presence of Jews in ancient Medina were much earlier than the Arabs, the Banu Qurayza and the Banu Qaynuqa were there long before the pre- Islamic Arab tribes from Yemen arrived centuries later. Enough said?
Quran 33:27 : And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, and of a land which ye had not frequented (Before). And Allah has power over all things.
You cannot fully grasp the meaning of above verse? They were the Muslim Arabs that massacred the Jewish tribes and looted the Jewish land and valuables. Or do you want words quoted from the hadith?
ANd which 2nd verse are you refering to? Pls quote the verse number!
There's no context in the quran, so how to quote out of context?. Reference comes from the Hadith!
The descendants of Shem were both Jews and Arabs.
According to History Verse 33:27 refers to the Bani Qurayza yes but the massacre was done not without reason.
Verse 48:22 doesn't say what you said it meant..
Also, not all hadiths are reliable. Hadiths are subject to authenticity. Heck you could even go around acting like some holy man and mislead people with your own version of stuff. Some don't even use them to read them in context becoz they aren't even part of the book.
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Originally posted by Deino:
The descendants of Shem were both Jews and Arabs.
According to History Verse 33:27 refers to the Bani Qurayza yes but the massacre was done not without reason.
Verse 48:22 doesn't say what you said it meant..
Also, not all hadiths are reliable. Hadiths are subject to authenticity. Heck you could even go around acting like some holy man and mislead people with your own version of stuff. Some don't even use them to read them in context becoz they aren't even part of the book.
That's usual. Always the same excuses. Quran verses quoted out of context lah, sources from unreliable hadiths lah ......
Quotes are from authentic English translation of Quran and Hadith books e.g. Sahih Bukhari. If you disagree, you have issues with the authors of the books, not me.
Why don't you quote from the authentic hadiths to support your claims instead of responding in a wishy washy manner?
I am very positive that together, we can put any conspiracy theory or blatant lie to rest.
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israel produces nice weapons for USA. Anyway, USA is a super power.
Respect needs to be given irregardless
