MM Lee hospitalised for chest infection
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my deepest condolences to MM Lee & family ....Mrs Lee has passed away
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ALL TOGETHER NOW....................
HIP...........HIP..............HOORAY.......................
a great day for all S'poreans...................decades too late..............
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irregardless of what the Lee has done for the sgp, given he was a good father, i respect him for that.
for those who called for his demise, have a heart, he is also a father to his family and a human being. Will you like it if someone does the same when U lose your dearest?
those who sling mud will always end up with mud on their own hands..
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i scared when the old man dies...............i will go nuts with pure joy...............
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even if he died.......all the policies he made in spore will still be there for u to suffer.its like land mines in cambodia n vietnam....though the wars,soldiers and presidents are no longer around....the land mines will still be around to kill innocent people.
so u see.....the problem isnt over even if everyone dies.
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Last night news only saw mp lee and his wife.
Where is MM Lee and the rest?
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Originally posted by iceFatboy:
irregardless of what the Lee has done for the sgp, given he was a good father, i respect him for that.
for those who called for his demise, have a heart, he is also a father to his family and a human being. Will you like it if someone does the same when U lose your dearest?
those who sling mud will always end up with mud on their own hands..
I hope Chia Thye Poh can forgive Lee Kuan Yew for imprisoning him for 32 years, since Lee Kuan Yew was a good father.
FORMER political detainee Chia Thye Poh, lashed out at the city-state's Internal Security Act yesterday immediately following the official end of his 32 years of prison and house arrest.
"The best part of my life was taken away just like that, without even a charge, let alone a trial in court," Chia Thye Poh, 57, said in a statement. "As a victim of the notorious Internal Security Act, I sincerely call on the government to abolish the act," the statement said.
Mr Chia - previously a university physics teacher - was detained in 1966 at the age of 25, when he was active in politics as a member of Singapore's opposition Socialist Front (Barisan Socialis) party.
http://www.singapore-window.org/81128sc.htm
Since Lee Kuan Yew was a good father, just let it be lah Chia Thye Poh for the 32 years in prison. Live and let live.
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Why Chia Thye Poh jail for 32yr?
For being an opposition member? Too harsh liao.
Why?
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Let this be a warning to all who are thinking of contesting in the coming GE. Think twice.
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Originally posted by likeyou:
Why Chia Thye Poh jail for 32yr?
For being an opposition member? Too harsh liao.
Why?
You won't heard about these things on PAP state media, now would you?
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Originally posted by Vote PAP OUT to Save SG:
You won't heard about these things on PAP state media, now would you?
No one mention about this.Poor guy, 32yr gone.
Btw, I am not supporting nor against pap.
I am in netural party. Who good I will support who.
And I also dont care who take over the govt so long cost of living drop and future generations (sporean youngsters) have jobs and salary, I am contented.
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Originally posted by likeyou:
No one mention about this.But Chee shouted at Goh you know. Chia you don't know.
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Originally posted by Vote PAP OUT to Save SG:
But Chee shouted at Goh you know. Chia you don't know.
Why I know cos I was watching the news....but not chia...too bad. -
Sorry guys...probably I am already off topic for this thread. Lets get back to the main topic as per TS posted.
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let's get back to the topic.........
so now that the old HAG is dead..........what's the update on the old HOG................
when are they gonna transfer him from a hospital bed to a coffin ?
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Originally posted by hasene:
Don't know if his neh neh also infected, hahahah
Old man neh neh also make you arouse.
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Originally posted by likeyou:
Why Chia Thye Poh jail for 32yr?
For being an opposition member? Too harsh liao.
Why?
Because Socialist Front was considered a communist threat at that time. But I agree, very harsh. Chia never take gun or kill people or smuggle drugs or rob bank why life sentence? -
well, for those who have asked to give the MM a break, tell that to the people who have been driven out of the country or detained and beaten up without trial. People also are fathers of children and children of parents.
Like one forumer said, those who sling mud end up with mud on their hands, that cant be more apt.
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Originally posted by Macho Man:
Because Socialist Front was considered a communist threat at that time.That is actually PAP and british false propaganda. What they feared was the left wing's political threat to PAP rule because PAP would probably lose the elections in 1963.
They had to find a pretext to destroy the left wing movement in Singapore.
I am still curious as to whether the british would ever tolerate a left wing regime to come to power during that period or would seek to undermine it.
Usually during the cold war period, any left wing regime that was pro-Soviet or pro-China would be targeted by U.S/U.K for subversion.
In the early 1960s both Conservative and Labour governments in Britain were complicit in CIA efforts to destabilise the elected government in the South American colony of British Guiana.
This CIA campaign culminated with a constitutional coup, planned by the Conservatives and implemented by Labour, a coup that removed Cheddi Jagan and the People’s Progressive Party (PPP) from power and installed the United States’ candidate, Forbes Burnham, a man known to be a corrupt racist and a gangster.
At US insistence the newly independent Guyana was handed over by Harold Wilson’s Labour government to the tender mercies of Forbes Burnham in May 1966. His gangster regime oppressed and pillaged the country, turning it into ‘an economic facsimile of Haiti’, into the 1990s.
This sorry tale is the subject of Stephen Rabe’s exemplary study, US Intervention In British Guiana, a book that reveals that neither British subordination to the United States nor British complicity in the crimes of the CIA is anything new...
http://www.isj.org.uk/index.php4?id=225&issue=111
The agitation grew throughout 1962 and 1963. “A fire was set in the center of town,” Dr. Jagan said. “The wind fanned the flames, and the center of the city burned. There are still scars. Then they changed their tactics. This is where the C.I.A. support came in full. They imposed a full blockade on shipping and airlines. We were helpless. We had no power.”
The British, at the suggestion of the Kennedy Administration, delayed their colony’s scheduled independence and changed its electoral system in October 1963. Now the electorate had to vote for parties instead of people, and a still popular but politically weakened Dr. Jagan fell from power. Once he fell, the British granted independence to the new republic of Guyana.
For the next 20 years the country was governed by Forbes Burnham — “as the British described him, an opportunist, racist and demagogue intent only on personal power,” to quote from “A Thousand Days.” He held power through force and fraud until his death in 1985.
http://www.cheddijagan.com/2009/03/12/a-kennedy-cia-plot-returns-to-haunt-clinton/
The declassified files further give this game away. Britain’s delegation to the United Nations cabled the Colonial Secretary a week before the overthrow and stated: “If our action can be presented as firm step taken to prevent attempt by communist elements to sabotage new and progressive constitution, it will be welcomed by American public and accepted by most United Nations opinion. If on the other hand it is allowed to appear as just another attempt by Britain to stifle a popular nationalist movement…effect can only be bad…To secure desired result some preparation of public opinion seems to be essential”
http://markcurtis.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/the-intervention-in-british-guiana-1953/
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Originally posted by Vote PAP OUT to Save SG:
That is actually PAP and british false propaganda. What they feared was the left wing's political threat to PAP rule because PAP would probably lose the elections in 1963.
They had to find a pretext to destroy the left wing movement in Singapore.
Obviously. LKY may have done a lot of great things for Sg folk but this has been done at a big cost to your way of life namely your freedom of expression.
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Fearing the increasing communist influence said to be behind the Barisan, Lee and the Tunku put pressure on the British authorities to arrest Lim and other leftists in Singapore for their opposition to Malaysia. On Feb 2, 1963 the police, under Operation Cold Store, detained over 100 people, including Lim.
In another essay British historian Dr T.N. Harper discloses that these arrests were initially opposed by top officials in the British Commission in Singapore during meetings of the tripartite Internal Security Council with representatives from the governments of Singapore, Malaya and Britain.
The British Commissioner in Singapore, the Earl of Selkirk, and his deputy, Philip Moore, had argued that such arrests would not only be undemocratic and unfair, but also failed to take into account that Lim and his party had been engaged in constitutional struggle.
The Commissioner's arguments for democracy and fair play were quite extraordinary and out of line with London's official thinking, but were eventually rejected by superior officials in London, especially the British Secretary of State...
http://www.thinkcentre.org/article.cfm?ArticleID=977
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that's why i've been saying for years and years.............S'pore is still a Colony.............
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Now Lee Kuan Yew's wife is dead, I am getting more and more impatient.
It only serves to increase my anticipation.
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aiyah you got actively try to hasten the old goat's demise boh ?
must go to temple or church and pray for his early doom mah..............
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Lee Kuan Yew – a different man without her
Insight Down South
By Seah Chiang Nee
Lee’s barely audible words in a eulogy at his wife’s funeral has sparked raging debate in Singapore on the way forward, especially on the political front.
IN A grieving eulogy at his wife’s funeral, Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew said in a tone that was at times hardly audible: “Without her I would be a different man, with a different life... At this moment of the final parting, my heart is heavy with sorrow and grief.”
Kwa Geok Choo, a pillar of his life for 62 years, passed away last Saturday at age 89 after being bedridden and unable to speak or move for two years.
Three days before her demise, Lee himself was admitted to hospital for a chest infection after a fall while on a visit to Moscow.
His words “without her I would be a different man” evidently referred to the past, but under the circumstances, they may well be applied to the present.
In fact, last week’s events could signal the end of the Lee Kuan Yew era now in its 50th year, if he decides to call it a day.
As the will-he or won’t-he question raged, thousands of Singaporeans filed to pay their last respects to his late wife, an obviously popular lady.
People were closely watching the ageing leader’s appearance for an indication of things to come. What they saw was not too reassuring.
Probably still under the effect of antibiotics to treat his chest infection, Lee appeared visibly weak. Two bodyguards were closely behind him, ready to help him if needed.
His words emerged slowly from lips that barely moved as he evidently struggled to contain his emotions. They brought tears to some people in the audience.
Lee sounded like a totally different man from the tough-talking, fearsome politician who led Singapore with an authoritarian rule that nevertheless made it one of the world’s richest cities.
The government and his doctors have not given any progress report on his health.
Many Singaporeans, especially those of his generation, felt sorry to see him in his frail, grieving state.
It evoked numerous appeals, including those from well-meaning admirers, for him to retire and take a well earned rest.
“Please Mr Lee, no more overseas trips,” a sympathiser pleaded. “You have done enough for the nation, time to take a rest.”
Some older citizens, who still have an unshakeable faith in Lee, are concerned that his exit could result in a political division within the ruling People’s Action Party and the country at large.
Whatever concerns people felt about a post-Lee Singapore were not reflected in the stock market, which appears to have accepted the inevitable.
The index continued to climb by nearly 100 points in the few days after news of his hospitalisation and his wife’s death.
Many young people and professionals, however, see things differently. They welcome it as a positive development.
A critical website reported that of the hundreds of messages received, more than 60% considered it a good thing if Lee were to leave. Some berated him in venomous tones.
The general feeling is that under the current circumstances, it will be unlikely for him to undergo the rigours of another election campaign.
“It’s inconceivable that without his wife by his side, Lee will have the fire in the belly to carry on as Minister Mentor,” said a varsity professor, who declined to be named.
And, he added, even if he really forced himself to go on, Lee would likely be a very different person. “A boat without a sail”, as a commentator described it.
Lately, he appeared to be more aware of his own ageing, and was contemplating more and more about issues of life, health and his love for his wife.
In a dialogue session with Moscow students recently, the octogenarian Lee said: “I am not in charge any more. My contribution now is like an over-the-horizon radar – (telling them) there is opportunity there or there is trouble there…”
When asked last month by an American journalist – “When is the last leaf falling?” – Lee, who seems no longer in charge of the day-to-day government, answered:
“I can feel the gradual decline of energy and vitality. And I mean generally ... every year ... when you know you are not on the same level as last year. But that’s life.”
On what would come next, Lee replied: “I do not know. Nobody has ever come back.”
He had also repeatedly said that he would not completely retire, and advised Singaporeans to carry on working as long as health permitted.
“I know if I rest, I’ll slide downhill fast,” he told the New York Times.
One concerned Singaporean sent an email to MM Lee and his son, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, urging Lee to step down:
“I hope you (Lee) are magnanimous enough to face the reality (and not in denial) that you no longer are the man you were, and step down gracefully. You need not be an MP or be in the Cabinet to be able to contribute.”
A portion of Internet activists favours exerting greater pressure to persuade Lee to leave politics to the young.
“Old politicians will never give up power unless compelled by law or they die ... or are thrown out by bloody intervention,” said SgObserver.
Others disagreed. One surfer said the passing of Lee may not be a blessing for Singapore.
For one thing, he wrote, “the PAP may implode and result in an internal power struggle”.
“Secondly,” he added, “without doubt Lee is a very experienced politician, shrewd, cunning and resourceful, (qualities) required to survive in politics.
“How many existing members of Parliament in Singapore can claim to be able to come near him?”