Should Genghis Khan period be considered as World War 1?
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As we all know, the mongols under Genghis Khan and his descendents conquered a large part of the world and almost conquered the whole world.
The terriorities under the mongols far exceed the terriorities under the prosperous Han and Tang dynasty and also far exceeds the roman empire or the terriorities conquered by Alexandra the Great.
Do you think this period should be considered as World War 1 since the war involves almost the whole world?Originally by icare .
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Quick Facts .
Mongol invasions progressed throughout the 13th century, resulting in the vast Mongol Empire which covered much of Asia and Eastern Europe by 1300
The territorial gains of the Mongols persisted into the 15th century in Persia (Timurid dynasty) and in Russia (Tatar and Mongol raids against Russian states), and into the 19th century in India (the Mughal Empire).
Kingdoms/Countries took part in the war Include :
Jin Dynasty
Dali Kingdom
Western Xia
Song Dynasty
Manchuria
Khwarizmian Empire
Persia
Kievian Russia
Volga Bulgaria
Goryeo
Poland
Hungary
Croatia
Bulgaria
Serbia
Byzantium
Japan
Vietnam
Champa
Myanmar
Java
Anatolia
Mesopotamia
Mamluk Sultanate
Sultanate of RûmConquests Timeline :
- 1205–1209 conquest of Western China
- 1207 conquest of Siberia
- 1211–1234 conquest of Northern China
- 1213–1235 conquest of Manchuria
- 1218–1220 conquest of Central Asia and Eastern Persia
- 1220-1223, 1235-1330 invasions of Georgia and the Caucasus
- 1220–1224 of the Cumans
- 1223–1236 invasion of Volga Bulgaria
- 1231–1259 invasion of Korea
- Mongol invasion of Europe
- 1237–1242 invasion of Russia
- 1241 invasion of Poland (Battle of Legnica)
- 1241 invasion of Hungary
- 1241 invasion of Austria and Northeast Italy
- 1241–1242 invasion of Croatia
- 1242 invasion of Serbia and Bulgaria
- 1241-1244 invasion of Anatolia
- 1251-1259 invasion of Persia, Syria and Mesopotamia
- 1257, 1284, 1287 invasions of Vietnam
- 1258 invasion of Baghdad
- 1258-1259 invasion of Galych-Volhynia, Lithuania and Poland
- 1260 Battle of Ain Jalut
- 1260 Mongol raid raid against Syria
- 1264-1265 raid against Bulgaria and Thrace
- 1264-1308 invasion of Sakhalin Island
- 1271 raid against Syria
- 1274, 1281 invasions of Japan
- 1274 raid against Bulgaria
- 1275, 1277 raids against Lithuania
- 1277 battle of Abulustayn
- 1277 invasion of Myanmar
- 1279 invasions of Southern China
- 1281 invasion of Syria
- 1285 invasion of Hungary
- 1285 raid against Bulgaria
- 1287 invasion of Myanmar
- 1287 raids against Poland
- 1293 invasion of Java
- 1297 - 1308 Chagatai Khanate - Delhi Sultanate War
- 1299 invasion of Syria
- 1222-1327 Mongol invasions of India
- 1300 Mongol invasion of Myanmar
- 1300 Mongol invasion of Syria
- 1303 Invasion of Syria
- 1307 Mongol invasion of Gilan
- 1312 Mongol invasion of Syria
- 1324, 1337 Mongol raids against Thrace
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agreeably 4 times more land than Alexandra...putting the latter second spot after Genghis...
and er hem,....he is oso a great rapist as well with every conquered land
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Originally posted by Fcukpap:
agreeably 4 times more land than Alexandra...putting the latter second spot after Genghis...
and er hem,....he is oso a great rapist as well with every conquered land
Yeap
For a period of time, I was researching into one group of people that is the fruit of the raping spree of the Mongol army. They are the Hazara people from the Afghanistan. They are a yellow skinned people among the Afghan-looking South-Asian people. Though 700-years untill today, some have mixed with the Afghans, they still pretty much look like their yellow skinned ancestors. Their Y-chromosome has a high component of Mongolian lineage.
To know more, such read on anywhere on the Internet, including pictures of them.
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Anyway, the red list which is posted above is a little-bit over-egoistic
As far as I remember from what I researched before, Japan is definitely not conquered. Vietnam was also not conquered, and Champa, is also not conquered, Champa was only used as a route to conquer Vietnam, but the Mongol Army did not conquer neither nor defeat Champa.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
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Originally posted by Fcukpap:
agreeably 4 times more land than Alexandra...putting the latter second spot after Genghis...
and er hem,....he is oso a great rapist as well with every conquered land
But is it passing the grade to be considered as a world war yet ? Personally I think the "world war" is coined by the american . and before that nobody really care if there were something bigger than world war 1 or not . -
Originally posted by BanguIzai:
Yeap
For a period of time, I was researching into one group of people that is the fruit of the raping spree of the Mongol army. They are the Hazara people from the Afghanistan. They are a yellow skinned people among the Afghan-looking South-Asian people. Though 700-years untill today, some have mixed with the Afghans, they still pretty much look like their yellow skinned ancestors. Their Y-chromosome has a high component of Mongolian lineage.
To know more, such read on anywhere on the Internet, including pictures of them.
The Haz�raAre a Persian-speaking people who mainly live in central Afghanistan. They are overwhelmingly Shia Muslims and comprise the third largest ethnic group of Afghanistan, forming 9% of the total population. Over half a million Hazaras live in neighboring Pakistan (especially in the city of Quetta) and a similar number in Iran.
The name Hazara, probably, comes from the Persian word haz�r, which means "thousand". According to scholars, the term was first used to refer to a Mongol military unit of 1,000 but was later applied to a distinct group of people.
Genetically, the Hazara are primarily eastern Eurasian with western Eurasian genetic mixtures. Genetic research suggests that they are related to neighboring peoples, while there also seems to be a patrimonial relation to Mongol peoples of Mongolia. Mongol male ancestry is supported by studies in genetic genealogy as well, which have identified a particular lineage of the Y-chromosome characteristic of people of Mongolian descent ("the Y-chromosome of Genghis Khan"). This chromosome is virtually absent outside the limits of the Mongol Empire except among the Hazara, where it reaches its highest frequency anywhere.
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blood is water in his lingua....and war is the only path to ancient success...
Genghis is known to have said...
"The greatest pleasure is to vanquish your enemies and chase them before you, to rob them of their wealth and see those dear to them bathed in tears, to ride their horses and clasp to your bosom their wives and daughters," he announced.
He lost too much during his captivity less to say childhood...thus, his urge for total domination is his only motto...sad but real
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Originally posted by BanguIzai:
Anyway, the red list which is posted above is a little-bit over-egoistic
As far as I remember from what I researched before, Japan is definitely not conquered. Vietnam was also not conquered, and Champa, is also not conquered, Champa was only used as a route to conquer Vietnam, but the Mongol Army did not conquer neither nor defeat Champa.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Bro it was right out of wikipedia hahaha http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion -
Perceptions
Like other notable conquerors, Genghis Khan is portrayed differently by those he conquered and those who conquered with him. Negative views of Genghis Khan are very persistent within histories written by many different cultures, from various different geographical regions. They often cite the cruelties and destruction brought upon by Mongol armies, not to mention the systematic slaughter of civilians in the conquered regions; other authors cite positive aspects of Genghis Khan's conquests as well.
Positive
Genghis Khan is credited with bringing the Silk Road under one cohesive political environment. This allowed increased communication and trade between the West, Middle East and Asia, thus expanding the horizons of all three cultural areas. Some historians have noted that Genghis Khan instituted certain levels of meritocracy in his rule, was tolerant of different religions and explained his policies clearly to all his soldiers. In Turkey, Genghis Khan is looked on as a great military leader, and it is popular for male children to carry his title as name.Negative
In the Middle East and Iran, he is almost universally looked on as a destructive and genocidal warlord who caused enormous damage and destruction to the population of these areas. The Mongol violence and depredations killed up to three quarters of the population of the Iranian Plateau, possibly 10 to 15 million people. Some historians have estimated that Iran's population did not again reach its pre-Mongol levels until the mid-20th century. Similarly, in Afghanistan (along with other non-Turkic Muslim countries) he is generally viewed unfavorably though some groups display ambivalence as it is believed that the Hazara of Afghanistan are descendants of a large Mongol garrison stationed therein.
The invasions of Baghdad, Samarkand, Urgench, Kiev, Vladimir among others caused mass murders, such as when portions of southern Khuzestan were completely destroyed. His descendant, Hulagu Khan destroyed much of Iran's northern part and sacked Baghdad although his forces were halted by the Mamluks of Egypt. According to the works of the Persian historian Rashid-al-Din Hamadani, the Mongols killed more than 70 thousand people in Merv and more than 190 thousand in Nishapur. In 1237 Batu Khan, a grandson of Genghis Khan, launched an invasion into Kievan Rus'. Over the course of three years, the Mongols destroyed and annihilated all of the major cities of Eastern Europe with the exceptions of Novgorod and Pskov.
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Originally posted by Kosen pang:
The Haz�raAre a Persian-speaking people who mainly live in central Afghanistan. They are overwhelmingly Shia Muslims and comprise the third largest ethnic group of Afghanistan, forming 9% of the total population. Over half a million Hazaras live in neighboring Pakistan (especially in the city of Quetta) and a similar number in Iran.
The name Hazara, probably, comes from the Persian word haz�r, which means "thousand". According to scholars, the term was first used to refer to a Mongol military unit of 1,000 but was later applied to a distinct group of people.
Genetically, the Hazara are primarily eastern Eurasian with western Eurasian genetic mixtures. Genetic research suggests that they are related to neighboring peoples, while there also seems to be a patrimonial relation to Mongol peoples of Mongolia. Mongol male ancestry is supported by studies in genetic genealogy as well, which have identified a particular lineage of the Y-chromosome characteristic of people of Mongolian descent ("the Y-chromosome of Genghis Khan"). This chromosome is virtually absent outside the limits of the Mongol Empire except among the Hazara, where it reaches its highest frequency anywhere.
Yes, Kosen Pang.
Do you know from Hazara music you can find traces of Mongolian evidence?
Listen to this, and tell me your views:
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Originally posted by Kosen pang:
Bro it was right out of wikipedia hahaha http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasionBro, the part you copied from is from the "Belligerent" part right?
I checked the definition for "Belligerent" it can mean mainly that they fought a war, doesn't mean "defeated area" is you quoted above. You added that heading yourself ??
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One very interesting part is that of Java.
The Mongols did send an armada to Java.
They conquered the belligerent state with the help of a political rival, who later turned aganst the Mongols, and became victorious in the local politics.
Reminds me of the political history here.
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Originally posted by BanguIzai:
Bro, the part you copied from is from the "Belligerent" part right?
I checked the definition for "Belligerent" it can mean mainly that they fought a war, doesn't mean "defeated area" is you quoted above. You added that heading yourself ??
Yeah bro I did coz I didnt copy the heading and added it later on . cheers on the clarification . gonna edit now .Yeah on the Java thing, it was stated that at the time it was during Jayakatwang dynasty . they Mongol landed on the Java shore during a civil war . thus the latter happening .
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Originally posted by BanguIzai:
Yes, Kosen Pang.
Do you know from Hazara music you can find traces of Mongolian evidence?
Listen to this, and tell me your views:
I listened bro . cant understand a word thou but the instrument utilized sound mongolian . (some sort of traditional guitar I guess) . -
Originally posted by Kosen pang:
Yeah bro I did coz I didnt copy the heading and added it later on . cheers on the clarification . gonna edit now .Yeah on the Java thing, it was stated that at the time it was during Jayakatwang dynasty .
He's trying to hint on the PAP la
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I act blur nia .. =P
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The Mongol Empire starting from the conquests of Genghis Khan to his grandson Kublai Khan stretched from Europe to the Pacific, three times the size of Alexander the Great's - far larger in contiguous land than any domain in history. Recent DNA studies indicate as many 1.5% of Westerners bear his genes. It is higher in Asia and there is possibility that you have Mongolian blood in you if you have strong desire to rape!
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Originally posted by Kosen pang:
I listened bro . cant understand a word thou but the instrument utilized sound mongolian . (some sort of traditional guitar I guess) .Yes. It is not about the language but the rhythm of a Northern Danbura and difference of a Southern Danbura. The Hazara's, while being embedded in a sea of Southern Asian Culture, utilizes a Northern Danbura rhythm instead of the Southern Danbura rhythm.
Please listen to the rhythm of the Southern Danbura:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXEf9ChVXEY
and
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Originally posted by I No Stupid:
The Mongol Empire starting from the conquests of Genghis Khan to his grandson Kublai Khan stretched from Europe to the Pacific, three times the size of Alexander the Great's - far larger in contiguous land than any domain in history. Recent DNA studies indicate as many 1.5% of Westerners bear his genes. It is higher in Asia and there is possibility that you have Mongolian blood in you if you have strong desire to rape!
Eastern Europe has a higher concentration of Eastern Eurasian Y-chromosomal cluster differentiation markers than Western Europe.
See this:
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hahahaha very entertaining . but pardon me from my illiterate on music, I can only say that the Second clips are more 'Arabian' kind of music .
To add in to what I No Stupid typed above . The Mongol conquest death toll is approximately 40 millions . I personally think such event should be labelled as "World War" since more than 10 kingdoms participated in it and involved Many parts of Asia and Many Parts of Europe regardless whether it is involving America and London and Paris . 40 millions means something .
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Originally posted by Kosen pang:
hahahaha very entertaining . but pardon me from my illiterate on music, I can only say that the Second clips are more 'Arabian' kind of music .
To add in to what I No Stupid typed above . The Mongol conquest death toll is approximately 40 millions . I personally think such event should be labelled as "World War" since more than 10 kingdoms participated in it and involved Many parts of Asia and Many Parts of Europe regardless whether it is involving America and London and Paris . 40 millions means something .
No problem. It is our pleasure to share whatever we may know, so that we help to enhance the human culture to a higher level.
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Fun facts: 3 main race of humans are namely Negroids, Caucasoids and Mongoloids...
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I managed to dig out the Northern Danbura playing techniques from my search histories:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBODpeye0Uk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDyOVXBbbYM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKwZpZRq3Io
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQKMuppo_xQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOyqKjrs_gw
Listen to the clear difference to the Southern Danbura rhythms :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXEf9ChVXEY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWe98_33IEk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI3zxy4HW-w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK9fTBQ2MjE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbVhTloUYI4
Now listen to the closeness of the Hazara Danbura with the rhythm of the Northern Danbura of Mongolia and Kazakhstan above than with the surrounding Southern Danbura rhythms:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEgN9bOBU04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFTPVv2vJSM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGLDPe0SXU4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBQ8sYxL3i8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA_9DsI9-hk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiXZhP2SKpU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g20dbmsZuw
If you do feel the contrary on the closeness, do tell me, which resemble which more?
Added:
- Please look at the faces of the Hazara peoples (eg. the Hazaragi's). Do they look more like the Southern Danbura players (hairy, burly, South Asian faces)? Or do they look more like the Northern Danbura players (yellow skin, mongolian eyes and faces) ?
- Take note: Don't forget, that the Hazara peoples have lived in Afghanistan together with the Afghans (Pashtuns) for at least 700 years, separated away far from the Mongolian homelands. Thus, some intermarriage down the clan lines with native Afghanistanis is inevitable. And also, some influence from the Southern Danbura rhythm is also inevitable, given that they are totally surrounded by these Southern people, isolated from their original people from their original homeland (the Kazakhstan / Mongolian steppes).
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Originally posted by Aneslayer:
Fun facts: 3 main race of humans are namely Negroids, Caucasoids and Mongoloids...
You are right !
Now let me give you a quiz: (do not check internet before you answer wor, hehehe)
Those dark dark Indians (i.e Abunene) in Singapore, which main group do they belong in?
