Hi bros... Need your advice.
I was at the junction of Havelock rd waiting to turn into Zion rd at around 1050pm yesterday when I heard a loud screeching of tires...
Next moment saw a Trans cab toyota crown ran smack into a chinese guy who was crossing the road. I was unsure whether he was jay walking... all I know my cab was stationary waiting to turn.
I was horrified and stunned... with 2 paxes in my cab I moved further and parked by the side... Tried to call 995 but line was engaged... I moved off after that feeling very shaken... hands still trembling... don't think the guy survived.
Went home after that... too shaken to drive.
So do I need to come out to be a witness? I didn't notice the part where the guy was crossing the road.
Thanks and be safe...
Hope u not too traumatised.If not u can call S.O.S for help & counselling.Is 24/7 hotline.
1800-2214444.
Originally posted by kengleong:Hi bros... Need your advice.
I was at the junction of Havelock rd waiting to turn into Zion rd at around 1050pm yesterday when I heard a loud screeching of tires...
Next moment saw a Trans cab toyota crown ran smack into a chinese guy who was crossing the road. I was unsure whether he was jay walking... all I know my cab was stationary waiting to turn.
I was horrified and stunned... with 2 paxes in my cab I moved further and parked by the side... Tried to call 995 but line was engaged... I moved off after that feeling very shaken... hands still trembling... don't think the guy survived.
Went home after that... too shaken to drive.
So do I need to come out to be a witness? I didn't notice the part where the guy was crossing the road.
Thanks and be safe...
you're a witness... just go to the police, any police station or post, tell them exactly what you saw
Zzz.. should have called again... if not call the police first... if u cant get the ambulance... must call ambulance mah....
Originally posted by kengleong:Hi bros... Need your advice.
I was at the junction of Havelock rd waiting to turn into Zion rd at around 1050pm yesterday when I heard a loud screeching of tires...
Next moment saw a Trans cab toyota crown ran smack into a chinese guy who was crossing the road. I was unsure whether he was jay walking... all I know my cab was stationary waiting to turn.
I was horrified and stunned... with 2 paxes in my cab I moved further and parked by the side... Tried to call 995 but line was engaged... I moved off after that feeling very shaken... hands still trembling... don't think the guy survived.
Went home after that... too shaken to drive.
So do I need to come out to be a witness? I didn't notice the part where the guy was crossing the road.
Thanks and be safe...
Yes , to help that poor Crown chap , u must assist him .
If u are turning into Zion Road , meaning that particular traffic light is red , and green going straight going onto Alexandra Road .
That chinese man is crossing against the timing of the traffic .
In this case , that crown driver cannot be fault .
If no one are to stand witness for him , this poor chap will be charge for dangerous driving , and his family will suffer with him for something he did not intend to do .
Justice !
Originally posted by Poolman:
I think you're right... the crown was going straight towards alexandra... after the impact I looked at the lights and it was a red man.Will go down later to make a report.
I think you're right... the crown was going straight towards alexandra... Will go down later to make a report.
1 if the chinese is PRC chinese then let him die
2 ask how much the crown TD is willing to give you if you give supportive statement to police
3 if the guy kena hit really die, go there tonight to pray for 4D or TOTO numbers
Originally posted by PedoBear:1 if the chinese is PRC chinese then let him die
2 ask how much the crown TD is willing to give you if you give supportive statement to police
3 if the guy kena hit really die, go there tonight to pray for 4D or TOTO numbers
1. Die also dont block traffic, must move corpse away. Still need medical personnel to pronounce death before body can be moved away. Therefore, justify the need to call 995.
2. Must ask to pay the PAX too. If not, later the PAX testify worse. Maybe lose cab license and jail.
3. Must take down vehicle number, age, and whatever auspicious number.
would be even better if you had installed a car video cam. no need to say so much, just give the footage to tp. will prove the crown driver's guilt or innocence. i'm inclined to agree with pool, the crown's going straight towards alexandra. means the guy is jay-walking. not too sure if the crown driver won't get penalised even if the light is in his favour. can get nailed for speeding or failure to keep a proper lookout. not as bad as beating red light and killing somebody though, most likely get jail time for it if that's the case. i always standby a spare sd car for my vid-cam. in case anything useful as evidence, just replace the one in the cam with the spare. nearest i ever came to using it (touch wood) traffic light at west coast road / clementi west st.1 junction, green light in my favour, suddenly 1 lady talking on hp just dashed across the road (looked like indonesian maid to me). dashed as in suddenly ran out. lucky for me no pax so just slow cruising at ~40kmh. jammed brakes in time. i wish they would treasure their lives and not talk on hp when crossing roads. didn't feel as shaken as i would have if i did not have the camera. very helpful & reassuring gadget, just like an army. have it ready, but hope that you never have to use it.
Originally posted by Poolman:
Yes , to help that poor Crown chap , u must assist him .If u are turning into Zion Road , meaning that particular traffic light is red , and green going straight going onto Alexandra Road .
That chinese man is crossing against the timing of the traffic .
In this case , that crown driver cannot be fault .
If no one are to stand witness for him , this poor chap will be charge for dangerous driving , and his family will suffer with him for something he did not intend to do .
Justice !
wtf
A caucasian, probably the passenger in the cab, was helping to divert the traffic. The pedestrain was brought away by the ambulance shortly and the police came after some time.
As kengleong says, drive safe.
Even I was a little traumatised, despite being not so up close to the scene.
Originally posted by Poolman:
Yes , to help that poor Crown chap , u must assist him .If u are turning into Zion Road , meaning that particular traffic light is red , and green going straight going onto Alexandra Road .
That chinese man is crossing against the timing of the traffic .
In this case , that crown driver cannot be fault .
If no one are to stand witness for him , this poor chap will be charge for dangerous driving , and his family will suffer with him for something he did not intend to do .
Justice !
Bro, Traffic laws do not look at it this way. Once you hit a person, no matter you right or wrong, you are guilty, and if that person died, more worst. They will sure to measure the tire mark, if no brake mark show, God bless the taxi driver, he sure get charged deep deep. He can forget about driving again.
Originally posted by aspdtpl:A caucasian, probably the passenger in the cab, was helping to divert the traffic. The pedestrain was brought away by the ambulance shortly and the police came after some time.
As kengleong says, drive safe.
Even I was a little traumatised, despite being not so up close to the scene.
Not bad, some caucasians are really good
btw.. don't attempt to "help" or whatever like the idiot "poolman" says.. just tell the truth..
if you are trying to tell it like you're going to "help" your fellow taxi driver, you're committing perjury which is basically lying under oath... that can put you, even just as a witness, in jail...
think about that...
and try not to listen to advice given by people who don't know what they're talking about because it can do a lot of harm to not only others, but to yourself...
Originally posted by the Bear:btw.. don't attempt to "help" or whatever like the idiot "poolman" says.. just tell the truth..
if you are trying to tell it like you're going to "help" your fellow taxi driver, you're committing perjury which is basically lying under oath... that can put you, even just as a witness, in jail...
think about that...
and try not to listen to advice given by people who don't know what they're talking about because it can do a lot of harm to not only others, but to yourself...
Poolman never asked him to give fake statement but he only shared his experiences with the witness.
As we are on the road more often, we know that that traffic light, vehicles going straight to alexandra are green light while the vehicles turning right to zion road are to wait for the green right arrow before able to turn right.
And the nature of those PRC, they always anyhow cross their road, even on bicycles, there are many instances that i had seen their reckless acts.
Ya, like what bear said, just tell the truth.
But dont be like bear anyhow say people idiotic, that is not being respectful.
Originally posted by Acekang:
Poolman never asked him to give fake statement but he only shared his experiences with the witness.As we are on the road more often, we know that that traffic light, vehicles going straight to alexandra are green light while the vehicles turning right to zion road are to wait for the green right arrow before able to turn right.
And the nature of those PRC, they always anyhow cross their road, even on bicycles, there are many instances that i had seen their reckless acts.
Ya, like what bear said, just tell the truth.
But dont be like bear anyhow say people idiotic, that is not being respectful.
nevermind la ..... he will apologized .
Originally posted by bowah:Bro, Traffic laws do not look at it this way. Once you hit a person, no matter you right or wrong, you are guilty, and if that person died, more worst. They will sure to measure the tire mark, if no brake mark show, God bless the taxi driver, he sure get charged deep deep. He can forget about driving again.
If the lights is in driver's favour , surely hitting pedestrains , is a crime , but if the green lights in our favour , it minimised the charges .
Eg driver beats red light , speeding caught by camera , hit a pedestrain , what kind of charges u expect ? Maximum charge , right ?
In this instance , the pedestrian , looking at the stopping vehicle stopping at Zion Right ( waiting ) , he assumed all vehicle should stop , he is just assuming .
The dead has a part in it .
It's not driver's fault in this instance .
Even if i travelling 50km/h , someone dashed out , i will never be able to stop in time .
Justice must be there to show that this driver cannot be in maximum fault .
Some idiot never drive , no driving license , so they must actually keep their chee bye mouth shut .
Originally posted by Acekang:
Poolman never asked him to give fake statement but he only shared his experiences with the witness.As we are on the road more often, we know that that traffic light, vehicles going straight to alexandra are green light while the vehicles turning right to zion road are to wait for the green right arrow before able to turn right.
And the nature of those PRC, they always anyhow cross their road, even on bicycles, there are many instances that i had seen their reckless acts.
Ya, like what bear said, just tell the truth.
But dont be like bear anyhow say people idiotic, that is not being respectful.
Originally posted by DailyFreeGames.com:
You all really professional, what light the traffic show based on what event you also know... but some cab midnight drivers really jia lak, dunno what way from bedok to sengkang, drive to CTE and back to sengkang, i think he trying to cheat my money. i go jurong home also $30, i go sengkang home about $20, from bedok!!! means either the driver really cockster or he trying to cheat my money... i never pursue the matter because i give him the benefit of the doubt... but it's damn stupid bedok go towards city then go back...
Not professional , it's part & parcel of the job .
If u got a driving license , that u need to know about the timing & changes of traffic lights .
For those who do not have any driving license , pls keep your bloody mouth shut !
Stop being a disgrace to yourself that u know everything about law .
Originally posted by Acekang:
Poolman never asked him to give fake statement but he only shared his experiences with the witness.As we are on the road more often, we know that that traffic light, vehicles going straight to alexandra are green light while the vehicles turning right to zion road are to wait for the green right arrow before able to turn right.
And the nature of those PRC, they always anyhow cross their road, even on bicycles, there are many instances that i had seen their reckless acts.
Ya, like what bear said, just tell the truth.
But dont be like bear anyhow say people idiotic, that is not being respectful.
implicit..
"assist him"
is that trying to skew the statement in the driver's favour? if so, it only serves to dig a bigger hole for the driver..
because instead of facts, you just made the whole thing even harder for the police to separate the facts from the "assistance"
worse, there could be facts that may help the driver, but by "assisting" the police are forced to throw away your evidence...
now... if the "assistance" is not short-sighted, counter-productive and ultimately idiotic, what is?
words are like weapons.. they will help if used correctly, they will cut you up if you do not...
which is why people need to tell just the facts, do not tell "i think he tried to stop" "i think the man anyhow dash out" or things which favour one over the other by your telling...
and.. I KNOW because i take such statements in my line of work.. those which we know are "trying to help" cannot be admissible
or worse, those who are outright lying in order to "try to help", the evidence is not only thrown out, the person can be charged for lying (tantamount to perjury)
so think about it..
Originally posted by Poolman:
If the lights is in driver's favour , surely hitting pedestrains , is a crime , but if the green lights in our favour , it minimised the charges .Eg driver beats red light , speeding caught by camera , hit a pedestrain , what kind of charges u expect ? Maximum charge , right ?
In this instance , the pedestrian , looking at the stopping vehicle stopping at Zion Right ( waiting ) , he assumed all vehicle should stop , he is just assuming .
The dead has a part in it .
It's not driver's fault in this instance .
Even if i travelling 50km/h , someone dashed out , i will never be able to stop in time .
Justice must be there to show that this driver cannot be in maximum fault .
Some idiot never drive , no driving license , so they must actually keep their chee bye mouth shut .
Hi Bro Pool,
I hope u take this as a discussion and a learning curve. In the eyes of the laws, those who never drive actually stand a better situation in traffic accident, the police will alway act as the prosecutor for the pedestrian, personally, I had knocked down a person before, he was on a bicycle, near Jurong West going into Safti, yes the light was green, i was travelling at 70km/hr, and he just go across, I was a van delivery driver then. There is also my buddy sitting beside me and another delivery men at the back who are willing to be my witness. But at the traffic police in ubi, they are not allow into admission, merely a statement. When the police lawyer, prosecutor cross examin you, the questions he asked can make you real mad, all questions are leading question and abusing you.
Are you sure it is a green light?, it is a red light, it is sunny or going to rain?, witness said you travel at 100km/hr, yr brake tyre mark is only 10 metre and very dark meaning you are travelling very fast with a sudden brake, the time is 4.30pm and you knock off at 5.00pm, so you are rushing?. As a experience driver, tell me, What is the speed you should go while moving toward a traffic light junction? 50, 30 or 70? Your vehicle is at 4th gear when police arrive, why is it at the highest gear? the accident happen at 4.30pm and your last call in yr h/p was 4.25pm, are you using your hp while driving? If you are travelling from ang mo kio industrial park down to tuas, it takes at least 20minutes, so are you using hp and driving?
So, it is not so easy, and especially if the pedestrian died, the police have to make a good report to answer the public, the relatives, friends and parents.
For my case, the pedestrian was injured, doctor said he may get abit handicap on his left leg, I was fined, banned for a year. After 2 years, I retake my licence, go take taxi courses, but when apply for relief or hirer, comfort rejected me, so I went into those daily rental one, but recently then I am able to get as a relief from 2 companies who are willing to accept me.
I do agree with Bro pool that fellow colleague statement helps, but still there will be punishment and sentences, especially if the pedestrian is dead, there is no way to say he is wrong or drop the case, the police have to answer to the public, if the police said it is ok, you can go free, then the public will think taxi can just knock anyone down. That is how public with no driving licence see things.
I understand the perspective of TD, as a TD myself, i hate some foreigners anyhow crossing the road too, but we are cover in metal, they are in flesh, the most you get is a dent on the bumper, and they are gone, a life gone. And I agree with Kengleong, it is very scary, you go into depression and stress thinking over it again n again.
Hitting another vehicle can be settle quite easily, the most insurance cover, but hitting a person is not so easy, u get a terrible feeling.