SG: 10.30pm Club Chapter II in a dot
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afternoon guys
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afternoon cassie.
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Originally posted by Clivebenss:
gd morning.
awas cicak berenang bubur panas.
Awas cicak berenang bubur panas.
Terperanjat dia masih boleh nafas !
Segera Penghulu buat cicak ramas,
Kalau tidak Puteri sehari tidak lawas ! -
Good afternoon. :D
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gd afternoon
jiani and bangul.
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evening
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Topic for discussion: What do you think about the Malay dialect of the Peranakans?
Article for discussion topic below:
(extract: Pg 74-75, Noriah Mohamed, Bahasa Melayu Kreol Chetti Melaka, 2009)
Pegaruh bahasa Melayu kreol Baba Nyonya
Hubungan masyarakat Chetti dengan masyarakat Baba Nyonya telah berlaku sejak dahulu lagi. Hubungan tersebut bukan setakat hubungan perniagaan, malah hubungan kekeluargaan dan kejiranan. Terdapat lelaki Chetti yang memilih isteri dalam kalangan wanita Baba Nyonya dan sebaliknya ada juga lelaki Baba Nyonya yang memilih isteri dalam kalangan wanita Chetti. Perkahwinan campur dan hubungan kejiranan ini menyebabkan bahasa Melayu kreol Baba Nyonya memberi pengaruh yang besar terhadap Bahasa Melayu Chetti.
Pengaruh bahasa Melayu kreol Baba Nyonya terhadap Bahasa Melayu Chetti ini dapat dilihat dalam tulisan Ding (2001: 52) yang menghuraikan aspek sosiolinguistik bahasa Melayu kreol Baba Nyonya iaitu sejenis bahasa Melayu kreol di Melaka. Ding menyetakan bahawa bahasa Melayu kreol Baba Nyonya berasal daripada Melayu pasar yang digunakan oleh orang bukan Melayu (Cina, Arab, India, dan Eropah) untuk berkomunikasi dalam perdagangan sejak abad ketujuh lagi. Bahasa Melayu yang digunakan oleh masyarakat Baba Nyonya tersebut telah mengalami perubahan dari segi fonologi, semantik, dan sintaksis. Berikut disenaraikan ciri-ciri fonologi, semantik, dan sintaksis bahasa Melayu kreol Baba Nyonya (rujuk Jadual 3.39). Dapat dilihat bahawa kedua-dua bahasa kreol ini mempunyai persamaan. Ciri dan perubahan yang terdapat dalam bahasa Melayu kreol Baba Nyonya juga wujud dalam Bahasa Melayu Chetti.
Jadual 3.39 Perubahan bahasa Melayu kreol Baba Nyonya dari segi fonologi, semantik, dan sintaksis
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------1. Membuat penambahan yang tersendiri dan luar biasa
- memulakan > mulaikan
- kebersihan > kbersehan (i.e. kebersehan)
- membaharukan > bbharukan (i.e berbarukan)
2. Mengubah vokal 'i' di hujung menjadi 'ik'
- bagi > bagik
- cari > carik
3. Mengubah diftong 'ai' menjadi 'e'
- sungai > sunge
- sampai > sampe
4. Mengubah suku kata akhir 'au' menjadi 'o'
- pulau > pulo
- kalau > kalo
5. Menyebut bunyi 'a' di akhir kata sebagai 'ak'
- bapa > bapak
- bawa > bawak
- pula > pulak
6. Salah sebut banyak kata
- ambil > ambek atau amek
7. Menghilangkan bunyi 'h' di hujung kata
- rumah > ruma
- bodoh > bodo
- boleh > bole
8. Mengubah makna
- cakap, memberitahu > bilang
9. Suka menggunakan punya
- emaknya > dia punya emak
- kereta macam itu > seperti itu macam punya kereta
- bapa duduk di sebelah meja > bapak ada duduk di sebelah punya meja
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Note especially point 7 which we have discussed partially before. Do give more examples or exceptions or feel free to disagree with any points above. -
Selamat Malam kepada Penghulu Clivebe, Panglima Bussi, sama Pemudi Jiani
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selamat petang en bang. apa khabar?
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Originally posted by cassie:
selamat petang en bang. apa khabar?
Səlamat Təŋamalam kəpada Putri Cassi pulak. Kabɛ baek lah. Putri səronok kə'idopan kat lu mia istana kah?
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morning guys. got into the office slightly earlier than usual.
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gd morning.
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lunching now. office AC is as usual blasting like nobody's biz
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Selamat Petang kepada sumak para pendudok pulak.
Bebrapa pantun benar (bukan tipu-tipu) berkongsi sama para pendudok:
Berjalan kaki menuju ke pekan,
Kerana ingin menjual rotan;
Hidup kami cukup makan,
Ingin keluarga tambah pendapatan.Dapat kancil saya bela,
Kerana ingin jadikan baka;
Berputih tulang saya rela,
Demi mempertahan tanah pusaka.Di tangan kanan memegang tauhu,
Untuk dibawa ke Tanjung Bidara;
Gelora hati siapa tahu,
Rindu sungguh enaknya bicara.Seberkas kayu amat ringan,
Dibuat unggun dimasak ikan;
Banyak akal pintar pandangan,
Perkara sukar mudah dibereskan.Mengadu untung di Pekan Mersing,
Sukar sungguh kerana bersaing,
Tak tahan sungguh perut membising,
Ke tepi laut lalu memancing.Bulat fikiran usaha mulia,
Kelak hidup penuh ceria;
Hidup ini penuh bahagia,
Hidup aman selalu sentosa. -
sorry...mind is shutting down...can't comment on your poem.
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Originally posted by cassie:
sorry...mind is shutting down...can't comment on your poem.
Selamat tengamalam kepada Putri Cassi. Eh pantun2 tu bukanlah gua punya usaha, tu dipetiklah daripada buku yang gua bacha pada lalukala saja.
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Standard Malay pantuns has their beauty, what more can come out from Baba Malay dialect sayings? Thus I extract some here from "Mas Sepuloh" - Baba dialect sayings - the book title can be found here: http://books.google.com.sg/books/about/Mas_sepuloh.html?id=rs0XAAAAIAAJ&redir_esc=y & let's enjoy the gems of our own local Singapore sayings
- Lalu ulu lain parang, lain dulu lain sekarang
- Means: "Times have changed"
- Usage: Jangan sikit heran dia ni jam sua sombong, bukankah orang sua chakap lain ulu lain parang, lain dulu lain sekarang.
- Trans.: Do not be surprised if, of late, he has become rather conceited for times have changed.- Selagi paku empat batang belom bunyi belom tau kita mia kaya sampay mana
- Means: "State of wealth is only proven at death"
- Usage: Kita maknusia idop di dunia selagi paku empat batang belom bunyi belom tau kita mia kaya sampay mana.
- Trans.: As human beings, it is only at our deaths that we can prove how wealthy we have been in life.- Ujan mas di-negeri orang, ujan batu negeri seniri
- Means: "The grass is greener in one's own backyard"
- Usage: Buatpa lu mo pi tinggair kat lain negeri, ujan mas di-negeri orang, ujan batu negeri seniri.
- Trans.: There is no need for you to migrate afar when the grass is greener in your own backyarrd.- Dia mo datang macham ribot, mo pergi macham semot
- Means: "Misfortune usually comes quickly but goes away slowly"
- Usage: Sumua penyaket bila dia mo datang macham ribot, mo pergi macham semot.
- Trans.: All sickness come quickly but go away slowly.- Putus menang boleh di-sambong putus arang takleh di-sambong
- Means: "To sever a relationship completely"
- Usage: Gua mia prangi kalu sua putus abis sekali, macham orang chakap putus menang boleh di-sambong putus arang takleh di-sambong.
- Trans.: My temperament is such that once I break up a relationship, there is no chance of a reconciliation.- Di-mana tanah lekok di-situ ayer bergelandong
- Means: "Fortune seems to smile on the well-to-do"
- Usage: Bini orang kaya tu, sudahlah kaya buang sebelah, asa main judi siak misti menang, macham orang chakap di-mana tanah lekok di-situ ayer bergelandong.
- Trans.: That lady who is a rich man's wife always wins when she gambles. It seems that fortune smiles on the well-to-do.- Bunga bukan sekuntum, kumbang bukan sekor
- Means: "Nobody is irreplaceable in love"
- Usage: Dia sua takmo lu, lu toksa takot. Bunga bukan sekuntum, kumbang bukan sekor.
- Trans.: Do not worry that you have been rejected (or jilted). In love, nobody is irreplaceable.- Ayam charek pagi makan petang, charek petang makan malam
- Means: "To earn just enough to make ends meet"
- Usage: Gua ni bukan kaya chuma macham ayam charek pagi makan petang, charek petang makan malam.
- Trans.: I am not wealthy but earn just enough to make ends meet.- Duri di utan sapa tajamkan, dia tajam seniri
- Means: "The decision lies with the individual"
- Usage: Saja dia mo sama takmo, duri di utan sapa tajamkan, dia tajam seniri.
- Trans.: The decision is entirely up to him.- Buta baru menchelek, kudong baru mendapat
- Means: "A new found state of wealth that has adversely affected a person's behaivour"
- Usage: Ini orang kaya baru, buta baru menchelek, kudong baru mendapat.
- Trans.: Her new-found wealth has affected her behaivour adversely.- Gunting baju ukor di-badan
- Means: "To judge others according to one's yardstick"
- Usage: Lu chakap gua sedap-sedap lu gunting baju ukor di-badan lu taulah!
- Trans.: Whatever remarks you have passed about me, it must have been based on your personal experience.- Rambot sama itam ati orang mana sama
- Means: "Who knows the heart of men?"
- Usage: Dia berapa nampak baik kita takleh berchaya, rambot sama itam ati orang mana sama.
- Trans.: In spite of his sincere looks one should not be too trusting, for who knows the heart of men?- Pinggan sama mangkok lagik terketok
- Means: "The closest of relationships have their differences"
- Usage: Sedangkan pinggan sama mangkok lagik terketok apa lagik kawan rapat tak berkelai.
- Trans.: It is not surprising that close colleagues quarrel since even the closest of relationships will have their moments of differences.- Naik kuda kasap, charek untong modal resap
- Means: "A business venture that is likely to fail"
- Usage: Kalu dia meniaga gua tak pikir boleh untong, macham orang chakap naik kuda kasap, charek untong modal resap.- Mo berak baru charek jamban
- Means: "Procrastinate until the last desperate moment"
- Usage: Bukan kata siang-siang mo bikin tu kreja, lu tunggu sampay mo berak baru charek jamban.
- Trans.: Instead of completing the job quickly, you waited and procrastinated until the last desperate hour.- Genggam takot mati, lepair takot trebang
- Means: "Difficulty in making a decision"
- Usage: Kalu mo salahkan dia pun tak patot, dia serba salah genggam takot mati lepair takot trebang.
- Trans.: It is not fair to blame him because it was not easy for him to come to the decision.- Ayam tak kokok, ari pun siang
- Means: "One is able to achieve an objective even without any assistance"
- Usage: Jangan lu pikir kalu lu tak tolong siak gua tak rupa bikin tu kreja, ayam tak kokok ari pun siang jugak.
- Trans.: Do not have the impression that I will not be able to tackle the task without your help.- Kubor pangge mari, rumah kata nanti
- Means: "One foot in the graveyard; about to die"
- Usage: Sampay kubor pangge mari rumah kata nanti pun prangi dia takleh berubah.
- Trans.: Even when his foot is already in the graveyard, he still will not change his temperament.- Telor macham rapatpun boleh tau temelang kah ta'ah
- Means: "Nothing is secret"
- Usage: Sapa boleh dapat simpan rusia sedangkan telor macham rapatpun boleh tau temelang kah ta'ah.
- Trans.: Who can even keep a secret when nothing is secret.- Idong tak manchong, pipi tersorong-sorong
- Means: "An unsolicited response"
- Usage: Orang sua tak suka lu, jangan lu idong tak manchong pipi tersorong sorong.
- Trans.: Do not try to push yourself when you are no longer popular.- Kasi satu jengkal mo satu asta
- Means: "Give an inch and he will demand a yard"
- Usage: Tengok sua tolong dia, naik terlebeh-lebeh pulak, kasi satu jengkal mo satu asta.
- Trans.: Look! After helping him, he is demanding for more.- Entah padi entah dedak, entah jadi entah tidak
- Means: "There's many a slip 'twixt the cup and the lips"
- Usage: Kalu ari kahwen jaoh lagik, buatpa siang-siang mo buat ibor? Entah padi entah dedak entah jadi entah tidak.
- Trans.: Since the wedding day is far in the future, there is no need to get excited over it because there's many a slip 'twixt the cup and the lips.- Orang terkentot dia terchirik
- Means: "To follow up on others' actions"
- Usage: Pasair kaypoh dia panday, tak salah orang kata orang terkentot dia terchirik.
- Trans.: She is a busybody who gets herself involved in other people's affairs.- Kain basah orang jangan keringkan
- Means: "Do not take on other people's problems for it will be a thankless act"
- Usage: Tengok gua tolong dia macham manyak dia tak kenair gua, tak salah orang chakap kain basah orang jangan keringkan.
- Trans.: After all my help, he has chosen to forget me. The people were right when they said that taking on other people's problems is a thankless act.- Ayer di-tetak takleh putus
- Means: "A relationship that can never be severed"
- Usage: Dia anak beranak berkelai kita jangan champor pasair, apa macham pun ayer di-tetak takleh putus.
- Trans.: We should not interfere in a family quarrel, for in the long run, their relationship will endure.- Orang sambong ayam dia sambong orang
- Means: "A gossiper who causes friction between other parties"
- Usage: Pasair hai orang berkelai dia panday sair, orang sambong ayam dia sambong orang.
- Trans.: He is adept at causing friction to develop between parties with his gossip.- Ponggok rindukan bulan
- Means: "To yearn for the impossible"
- Usage: Gua pratikan lu ni ada rindukan budak prompuan tu sama ponggok rindukan bulan.
- Trans.: I notice that you are mooning over the girl who is beyond your reach.- Kapal di-laot, gedong di-darat
- Means: "Of immense wealth"
- Usage: Dulu dia betol senang, kapal di-laot gedong di-darat, ni jam tengok apa dia sua jadi!
- Trans.: At one time he was a very wealthy man. Now look at what he has become!- Sapa makan chili dia rasa pedair
- Means: "Guilty feelings"
- Usage: Bila gua chakap gua tak sebut nama lu, buatpa lu marah? Sapa makan chili dia rasa pedair.
- Trans.: I did not mention your name in my statement so you should not be annoyed if you are not guilty.- Entam batu semunyet tangan
- Means: "Pretend to be innocent"
- Usage: Pasair dia satu rumah tangga luan tapi dia entam batu semunyet tangan.
- Trans.: He is the cause of all the troubles in the household but he pretends to be innocent.- Utang mas boleh di-bayair, utang budi di-bawak mati
- Means: "To own an eternal debt (for kindness received)"
- Usage: Dia mia budi manyak sama gua sampay takleh terbayair, utang mas boleh di-bayair, utang budi di-bawak mati.
- Trans.: I am unable to repay his many kindness to me, indeed I owe him an eternal debt for them.>>>>========================
(Ref: The last chakapan is of the same origin as the corresponding ungkapan of pantun of "Rasa Sayang", both from the same origin)
Pisang emas dibawa berlayar,
Masak sebiji di atas peti,
Hutang emas boleh dibayar,
Hutang budi dibawa mati, -
gd morning.
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morning clive
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gd afternoon.
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fridays and decembers are SUPPOSED to be winding things down day/month. totally not happening.
anyway, how are you clive?
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Originally posted by cassie:
fridays and decembers are SUPPOSED to be winding things down day/month. totally not happening.
anyway, how are you clive?
Take heart, it will later. Hope you enjoy your weekend. 
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gd evening.
all well that's end well.
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Festive seasons coming :
月到ä¸ç§‹åˆ†å¤–明, 人蓬喜事精神爽
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Originally posted by winsomeea: Take heart, it will later. Hope you enjoy your weekend.
back home! thank goodness!!! -
gd evening.