China says 400 million can't speak national language

• BanguIzai

  12 Feb 14, 20:05

  

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• charlize

  27 Apr 14, 10:55

  

• Clivebenss

  27 Apr 14, 22:04

  Originally posted by charlize:

  

  can read or not?

  

• BanguIzai

  28 Apr 14, 23:48

  Charlize, care to share your dialect group ?     Even if not Hokkien, we welcome you to share your own dialect group sayings to preserve our special Singapore heritage

• Clivebenss

  29 Apr 14, 21:39

  dun think char is chinese or half chinese. 

  

• BanguIzai

  30 Apr 14, 21:41

  Originally posted by Clivebenss:

  dun think char is chinese or half chinese. 

  

  so char is kiao_ thor/  or  kiet''' leng/  or  ang_ mor/ ?

• SJS6638

  30 Apr 14, 21:48

  Bangu, where is your thread which says they fine hokkien for speaking h8kkien in xiamen?

• BanguIzai

  30 Apr 14, 21:51

  Originally posted by SJS6638:

  Bangu, where is your thread which says they fine hokkien for speaking h8kkien in xiamen?

  This thread.

  In schools, teachers fine 50cent 1 dollar.  Not only in Xiamen but all over South China.  Depends on the principal in charge. 

  Malaysia Chinese schools as well do this.

  Taiwan Chinese schools in the past will hang a shame-cardboard on students neck if kid speaks Hokkien.

   

  The Hokkien extermination exercise has begun !

• SJS6638

  30 Apr 14, 22:06

  Originally posted by BanguIzai:

  This thread.

  In schools, teachers fine 50cent 1 dollar.  Not only in Xiamen but all over South China.  Depends on the principal in charge. 

  Malaysia Chinese schools as well do this.

  Taiwan Chinese schools in the past will hang a shame-cardboard on students neck if kid speaks Hokkien.

   

  The Hokkien extermination exercise has begun !

  I saw that tgread in a sub forum not here.  Where?   Think forum name is something language

• BanguIzai

  30 Apr 14, 22:07

  Originally posted by SJS6638:

  I saw that tgread in a sub forum not here.  Where?   Think forum name is something language

  izzit? I thought is this thread.  U flip through the front few pages see see

• Clivebenss

  30 Apr 14, 22:09

  Originally posted by BanguIzai:

  so char is kiao_ thor/  or  kiet''' leng/  or  ang_ mor/ ?

  dunno but char cant understand chinese or hokkien or other dialects.

• BanguIzai

  30 Apr 14, 22:10

  Originally posted by Clivebenss:

  dunno but char cant understand chinese or hokkien or other dialects.

  oh !   he always say "cai png" !

• SJS6638

  30 Apr 14, 22:16

  Originally posted by BanguIzai:

  izzit? I thought is this thread.  U flip through the front few pages see see

  That is in the sub forum u created.  That thread is by you

• Clivebenss

  30 Apr 14, 22:17

  Originally posted by BanguIzai:

  oh !   he always say "cai png" !

  ask him what is luncheon meat in hokkien or mandarin she will just

• BanguIzai

  30 Apr 14, 22:18

  Originally posted by SJS6638:

  That is in the sub forum u created.  That thread is by you

  Haha I have never created any sub forum in my life.

  It could be "Forbidden City" or "Chinese Language Discussion"

  Hope you can find it there as I have posted too many things.

  Repeat: I have never created any sub forum in my life.

• BanguIzai

  30 Apr 14, 22:18

  Originally posted by Clivebenss:

  ask him what is luncheon meat in hokkien or mandarin she will just

   

  OOOh!  amazing..  I didn't know that !

   

• SJS6638

  30 Apr 14, 22:24

  Originally posted by BanguIzai:

  Haha I have never created any sub forum in my life.

  It could be "Forbidden City" or "Chinese Language Discussion"

  Hope you can find it there as I have posted too many things.

  Repeat: I have never created any sub forum in my life.

  Yes in chinese language discussion

• BanguIzai

  30 Apr 14, 22:25

  Originally posted by SJS6638:

  Yes in chinese language discussion

  

• SJS6638

  30 Apr 14, 22:27

  Char aka fi knows hokkien

• BanguIzai

  30 Apr 14, 22:28

  Originally posted by SJS6638:

  Char aka fi knows hokkien

  so Char is Hokkien la... 

• Genie99b

  30 Apr 14, 22:32

  Originally posted by BanguIzai:

  so Char is Hokkien la... 

  Bo pau lar bro....singapore hokkien majority....so alot of other dialects can speak it

• BanguIzai

  30 Apr 14, 22:35

  Originally posted by Genie99b:

  Bo pau lar bro....singapore hokkien majority....so alot of other dialects can speak it

  

• SJS6638

  30 Apr 14, 22:36

  Originally posted by BanguIzai:

  so Char is Hokkien la... 

  If u hv read char aka fi posts in her crapbox you will know they can speak hokkien quite well

• BanguIzai

  30 Apr 14, 22:37

  Originally posted by SJS6638:

  If u hv read char aka fi posts in her crapbox you will know they can speak hokkien quite well

  means we are smoked

• Genie99b

  30 Apr 14, 22:38

  Originally posted by SJS6638:

  If u hv read char aka fi posts in her crapbox you will know they can speak hokkien quite well

  aiya doesnt matter lar

  people like their anonymity dun be so bad mah