19 Steps to becoming City Harvest Church member.
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I hope these pictures give you a better insight.
If you want more - check out this link:
http://www.chc.org.sg/_eng/video_gallery/files/index.html
God bless!
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Dalforce
I don't know why you are posting these disturbing pictures. CHC is nothing like it.
Maybe you should go visit James ... in the psycho ward.I will pray for you.
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Wah, pastor open concert?
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I can tell that Zeeleewong is young. I was at his/her stage before. Anything that people said would never get into my head. Let him/her enjoys himself/herself till when he/she is older and more experienced in life. Hopefully he/she will open her eyes and see what are the things happening around him/her or happening to him/her. He/She will start to question.
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I can tell that Pinknutri is not very happy. I used to be like him/her. Anything positive I would turn into negative. Like Pinknutri, I also once failed to see the beauty of life. Until I became part of the loving CHC family. Hopefully, he/she will open his/her eyes and see that life experiences do not have to be a burden. Hopefully, he/she will come to realize that God gives us hardship so we can face life's challenges better. Hopefully he/she and all of you will come to see that there is an alternative called CHC. There really is no need to face life's challenges on your own. In CHC we look after our family.
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Originally posted by Zeeleewong:
I can tell that Pinknutri is not very happy. I used to be like him/her. Anything positive I would turn into negative. Like Pinknutri, I also once failed to see the beauty of life. Until I became part of the loving CHC family. Hopefully, he/she will open his/her eyes and see that life experiences do not have to be a burden. Hopefully, he/she will come to realize that God gives us hardship so we can face life's challenges better. Hopefully he/she and all of you will come to see that there is an alternative called CHC. There really is no need to face life's challenges on your own. In CHC we look after our family.
So nothing to do with God? Just want to join some social grouping lah?
Can go and join Clan.
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The fundamental teachings of City Harvest Church are reflected in the following clear statements of faith:
1. We believe in the plenary-verbal inspiration of the accepted canon of scriptures as originally given. The scriptures are infallible, inerrant and the sole and final authority for all matters of faith and conduct.
(2 Timothy 3:16; 1 Corinthians 2:13)2. We believe in the eternal Godhead who has revealed Himself as one God existing in three persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, distinguishable but indivisible.
(Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14)3. We believe in the creation, test and fall of man as recorded in Genesis; his total spiritual depravity and inability to attain to divine righteousness.
(Romans 5:12, 18)4. We believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, the Savior of men, conceived by the Holy Spirit, born by the Virgin Mary, very God and very Man.
(Luke 1:26-35; John 1:14-18; Isaiah 7:14; 9:6)5. We believe Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day, and personally appeared unto His disciples.
(1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Romans 4:25)6. We believe in the bodily ascension of Jesus to heaven, His exaltation and personal, literal and bodily coming again the second time for His Church.
(John 14:2-3; and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18)7. We believe in the salvation of sinners by grace, through repentance and faith in the perfect and sufficient work of the cross of Calvary by which we obtain remission of sins.
(Ephesians 2:8-9; Hebrews 9:12, 22; Romans 5:11)8. We believe in the necessity of water baptism by immersion in the name of the eternal Godhead in order to fulfill the command of the Lord Jesus Christ.
(Matthew 28:19; Acts 2:34-36; 19:1-6)9. We believe in the baptism in the Holy Spirit as a real experience at or subsequent to salvation, with the scriptural evidence, namely, speaking in other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance.
(Acts 2:1-4; 8:14-17; 10:44-45; Galatians 3:14-15)10. We believe in the operation of the gifts and ministries of the Spirit as enumerated in 1 Corinthians 12-14 and Ephesians 4, as manifested in the early Church. 11. We believe in the Spirit-filled life, a life of separation from the world and perfecting of holiness in the fear of God as expressing the true Christian faith.
(Ephesians 5:18; 2 Corinthians 6:14; 7:1)12. We believe in the healing of the body by Divine power, or Divine healing in its varied aspects as practised in the early Church (Acts 4:30; Romans 8:11; 1 Corinthians 12:9; James 5:14) and by deliverance in the name of Jesus.
(Mark 16:17)13. We believe in the table of the Lord, commonly called the Communion or the Lord's Supper, for believers.
(1 Corinthians 11:28-32; Matthew 26:26-28)14. We believe in the reality and personality of the Devil and eternal judgment in the Lake of Fire for the Devil and his angels.
(Matthew 25:41; Revelation 20:14-15)15. We believe in the eternal life for believers (John 5:24; 3:16), and eternal punishment for the unbelievers.
(Mark 9:43-48; 2 Thessalonians 1:9; Revelation 20:10-15)16. We believe that there is one true universal Church, made up of genuine believers, but this one universal Church is also composed of many local Churches in given localities. These Churches are under the sovereign headship of the Lord Jesus Christ, exercising autonomous government under Him, administering all its local affairs and ministry, as well as the propagation of the gospel.
(Acts 15:22; Matthew 16:18; 18:15-20)17. We believe that Government is ordained of God, and the powers that be are ordained as ministers of God to us for good. To resist the powers and the ordinances is to resist the ordinance of God. We are subject not only for wrath sake but for conscience sake, rendering to all their dues, custom to whom custom, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor. We declare our loyalty to our Government and its leaders, and will assist in every way possible, consistent with our faith in the scriptures as Christian citizens.
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Originally posted by Zeeleewong:
17. We believe that Government is ordained of God, and the powers that be are ordained as ministers of God to us for good. To resist the powers and the ordinances is to resist the ordinance of God.We are subject not only for wrath sake but for conscience sake, rendering to all their dues, custom to whom custom, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.
We declare our loyalty to our Government and its leaders, and will assist in every way possible, consistent with our faith in the scriptures as Christian citizens.
The arrests began in the early hours of the 21st of May 1987. Within a span of a few hours, 16 men and women, most of whom were social workers, dramatists, Roman Catholic Church welfare workers and lawyers, were arrested by the Internal Security Department for being part of a ‘Marxist Conspiracy’. The government then said that the conspirators had links with Filipino leftists and proponents of ”liberation theology,” as well as with European Marxists and Sri Lankan separatists. The detainees were then accused of trying to use Roman Catholic, student and other groups to build a legal front as a cover for political sabotage.
If city harvest doesn't touch politics and supports PAP, PAP won't make trouble for city harvest.
Kong Hee can teach whatever doctrine he likes to his followers.
But if he dares to criticise PAP, touch political issues, the PAP will start to target City Harvest.
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Originally posted by Zeeleewong:
I can tell that Pinknutri is not very happy. I used to be like him/her. Anything positive I would turn into negative. Like Pinknutri, I also once failed to see the beauty of life. Until I became part of the loving CHC family. Hopefully, he/she will open his/her eyes and see that life experiences do not have to be a burden. Hopefully, he/she will come to realize that God gives us hardship so we can face life's challenges better. Hopefully he/she and all of you will come to see that there is an alternative called CHC. There really is no need to face life's challenges on your own. In CHC we look after our family.
I'm happier than my friends who are at CHC. They like to compare and envy those people who are better off than them. I see them worry about not being as successful or rich as their cell group members. For me, I happy go lucky, why compare?
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Originally posted by Pinknutri:
They like to compare and envy those people who are better off than them. I see them worry about not being as successful or rich as their cell group members.
Sad to see church degenerate into a mundane, crude and crass competition for materialist goals.
I don't support this type of church.
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After reading through the whole thread, i was confused...
Pastors n priests is to help us believe in GOD, not idolised/obsessed with the person spreading the word?!
Tot we are all God's servants?! n our purpose is to help our fellow folks in need n not help everyone get richer?!
Does CHC have a charity arm to help the poor, local & overseas?!
Real solid charity work i mean...
i ve zero knowledge about the bible but from drawings,paintings in overseas museums, churches which i personally seen[Vatican city, Rome, London & many more] it always depicts GOD/Jesus helping people rather than through all the time song and dance.
Action in helping the less fortunate[no matter how small the effort, either through donation, in kind or physical help] is sure better than singing and dancing for once -
Zeeleewong,
God's teachings are that we are not supposed to judge people, yet you are name calling everyone who dun believe in CHC "followers of satan", "psycho" just because they posted an opinion that differs from you?!
i dun tink God teach his followers to behave like that but rather to accept everyone is different and has different opinions, that force cannot be used to get non believers to believe but God's followers will do the correct thing(s) so as to win over the non believer -
Acx don't waste your breath. Everyone is equipped with the same mental faculties and if any wants to be influenced by Zeeleewong, it is their own fault.
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Hey James, you think Zeeleewong knows your friend in CHC?
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@ Alize: There is no way to tell if Zeeleewong and my friend know each other. I doesn't matter.
CHC will refer to Zeeleewong's actions as "over-zealous".
Although my friend agrees with Zeeleewong, I doubt if other CHC members would voice their "zeal" in the same manner.
Within CHC, a "Thank God giving us such a great leader and this wonderful building" results in praise and hallelluja's from fellow members. Outside CHC, this type of behaviour raises eyebrows.
CHC members are not equipped to answer any sceptical questions. So many CHC members will keep these thoughts to themselves, and prefer to avoid the "sensitive" discussions with non-CHC-believers (as referred to by Pinknutri).
I wonder if Zeeleewong, seemingly frustrated by the "resistance" of the people posting here, would dare to speak up in public. Calling somebody "Satan-lover" in a blog, is not the same as doing this face-to-face.
I doubt that Kong Hee is happy with the "free CHC advertising" displayed by Zeeleewong. Kong Hee is the King in his little CHC castle where nobody can touch or question his authority. Drawing special attention from sceptical outsiders over which Kong Hee has no emotional control, is not in his interest. Talking to numbed followers is not the same as talking to rational outside Christians.
Would Kong Hee be capable of having a mature discussion on faith with somebody like BroInChrist? I doubt so.
@ Acx1688:
Does CHC have a charity arm? Interesting question - I browsed the CHC site.
On the CHC website, "City Harvest Community Services Association" (CHCSA) is indicated as the CHC community Services.
To my surprise, CHCSA publishes a financial statement
(see following link: http://www.chcsa.org.sg/2012/financial_statements.htm)In the statement for 2009 we see that following charity spendings by CHCSA:
Local charity: 327,000 SGD
Overseas charity: 27,000 SGD
Salaries (9 fulltime staff): 380,000 SGD
Operating/Admin cost: 156,000 SGD
Based on the information available, this means that the 30,000 CHC members united, managed to give 10+ SGD each to local community services in Singapore.
Well done City Harvest Church.
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Mid9Sun wrote: "One of the worst feeling you can have is watching others being misled happily and cant do a damn about it..."
"Others " in my case is a close friends so the above touched a nerve.
I wrote to Dr. Robert Luginbill and asked him for advice. I explained my concerns on CHC and their adherence to the prosperity gospel and things like the 4th dimension.
His anwer came the next day. I share with you his un-edited answer.
It is obvious from your email that you understand
the truth perfectly well, and I commend you for your
truth-based Christianity in sea of muddled thinking. Things
are not much different here in the States. We too are awash
with mega-churches which, whatever their doctrine, promote
superficiality over spirituality. Even bigger problems come
when the church is or becomes a cult. It is sometimes
difficult to draw that line, but in general terms when
personality, entertainment, numbers and money take center
stage, the church/group moves to the tipping point. From
there, the allure of false doctrine is very strong, because
false doctrines are always much more capable of catapulting
personalities to greater fame, exciting the sheep, drawing
in more victims, and fleecing them more effectively. Before
going on, here are some links at the site you might want to
consult first:
Read Your Bible: Protection against Cults (includes
"cult characteristics"). <http://ichthys.com/readbible.htm>
Mega-Churches, Emergent Christianity, Spirituality and
Materialism.
<http://ichthys.com/mail-Mega-Church-Materialism.htm>
The persuasiveness of the tribulational false religion.
<http://ichthys.com/Tribulation_Part_3A.htm#2%29%20The%20persuasiveness%20of%20the%20tribulational%20false%20religion>
Dysfunctional Churches.
<http://ichthys.com/mail-Dysfunctional-Churches.htm>
The Situation of the Church and "church-visible" on the
Eve of the Tribulation.
<http://ichthys.com/Tribulation_Part_3A.htm#2.%20The%20Situation%20of%20the%20Church%20and%20%22church-visible%22%20on%20the%20Eve%20of%20the%20Tribulation:>
On the issue of convincing people that the tripe they have
bought into is just that, as I often say I am not gifted in
the area of apologetics. Your description of "name-it-claim
-it" as a short-hand for the prosperity gospel strikes me as
being right on the mark, and, quite frankly, this "4th
dimension" seems to me to be just a clever re-working of
that heresy. The whole idea behind both false doctrines is
that we can control God and make Him do what we want; and
inevitably what we want is material blessing rather than
anything spiritual. It's difficult to know where to start
when dealing with this mind-set which, I may add, is the
normal non-Christian, pseudo-Christian, and
marginal-Christian status quo. Everyone would like to
believe that we are here on earth after salvation to be
blessed materially and "have a good life" -- and, well, who
wouldn't want to have a rosy life with no troubles? And
can't God do that for us, being all-powerful? Of course He
could. The problem is that all this is not only /*not*/ in
the Bible but is actually antithetical to the entire plan of
God. If I were trying to convince someone, I would start
with the fact that the prosperity gospel is not in the Bible
and that Bible represents the Christian life a difficult and
challenging thing with persecution not boundless prosperity
being the rule -- for those who are following Jesus Christ
in truth.
And when they had preached the gospel to that city and
made many disciples, they returned to Lystra, Iconium,
and Antioch, strengthening the souls of the disciples,
exhorting [them] to continue in the faith, and [saying],
"*/We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom
of God/*."
Acts 14:21-22 NIV
Paul and company didn't tell these new believers about some
"fourth dimension" or just to "name it" and they could have
a cornucopia of blessing fall into their lives. Why not?
Because that is not the way it is -- at all. We are here to
demonstrate by the growth and perseverance of our faith
/through tribulations/ that our faith is genuine (cf.
1Pet.1:6-7), and by the testing and refining of it to gain
glory for the Lord and reward /in eternity/, rather than in
this life (e.g., Matt.6:19-20; 2Cor.4:17). That is why Jesus
told us to "count the cost" before committing to being His
disciples, because the road ahead is /harder/ for our giving
our lives to Him, */not/* easier:
"If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and
mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes,
and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple. "And
whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot
be My disciple. "For which of you, intending to build a
tower, does not sit down first and count the cost,
whether he has [enough] to finish [it]-- "lest, after he
has laid the foundation, and is not able to finish, all
who see [it] begin to mock him, "saying, 'This man began
to build and was not able to finish.' "Or what king,
going to make war against another king, does not sit
down first and consider whether he is able with ten
thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty
thousand? "Or else, while the other is still a great way
off, he sends a delegation and asks conditions of peace.
"So likewise, */whoever of you does not forsake all that
he has cannot be My disciple/*."
Luke 14:26-33 NKJV
Being a true disciple requires sacrifice, and as we go grow
up in Jesus Christ things get more challenging, not less so.
God prunes those who are bearing fruit so that we may bear
even more (Jn.15:2), but those who go their own way and do
not remain in Him -- which fate all who follow false
doctrines and cults are at least flirting with -- are thrown
into the fire and burned (Jn.15:6). Jesus was poor. Paul was
poor. Virtually all of the great believers were not only
deprived in material terms but suffered all manner of trials
and tribulations:
Some faced jeers and flogging, while still others were
chained and put in prison. They were stoned [fn]; they
were sawed in two; they were put to death by the sword.
They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute,
persecuted and mistreated--the world was not worthy of
them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, and in
caves and holes in the ground. These were all commended
for their faith, yet none of them received what had been
promised.
Hebrews 11:36-39 NIV
These great believers did not "receive what was promised"
because the promise we are looking forward to in Jesus
Christ is the resurrection, reunion with Him, an eternal
reward and eternal life in the New Jerusalem. But if we are
looking to the things of the earth instead, how is it that
we do not have our perspective exactly backward from what
the Lord wants from us?
Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your
hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the
right hand of God. Set your minds on things above, not
on earthly things. For you died, and your life is now
hidden with Christ in God. When Christ, who is your
life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.
Colossians 3:1-4 NIV
Do not love the world or anything in the world. If
anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in
him. For everything in the world--the cravings of sinful
man, the lust of his eyes and the boasting of what he
has and does--comes not from the Father but from the
world. The world and its desires pass away, but the man
who does the will of God lives forever.
1st John 2:15-17 NIV
Yes I know they will mention Abraham. But Abraham had to
wait until he was 100 years old until he received what he
wanted most, a son -- and then he was called upon to slit
his son's throat in obedience to the Lord. So I suppose if
we are as patient as Abraham so as to wait 50 years "to
claim it" and if we are then actually and genuinely willing
to give it right back to God not theoretically but
viscerally and irrevocably, then we too may "get something".
Of course the heir for whom Abraham waited had been
specifically promised to him as in integral part of God's
plan for forming Israel, and surely that makes his situation
unique for that reason too (along with a whole host of others).
These are the last days of the Church, and it was prophesied
by John in the book of Revelation that they would be days of
appalling lukewarmness (see the link: Laodicea
<http://ichthys.com/Tribulation-Part2A.htm#7.%20Laodicea:%20%22The%20Era%20of%20Degeneration%22%20%281882%20to%202026%20=%20144%20years%29>).
Hence my dilemma in attempting to answer your question. For
it seems to me that for a Christian who is genuinely
committed to hearing what Jesus is saying and really wanting
to follow Him, any one of the verses quoted or cited above
would be sufficient to cause him/her to part company with a
fellowship which has it completely backward, one that is
telling him/her what he/she /*wants*/ to hear and clearly
not what the Bible is saying from cover to cover. For if a
person has stopped up the ears to the point of no longer
being willing to listen to such a clear and consistent
message from scripture -- especially as there is absolutely
no biblical support for the other side -- then the odds of
said person turning around based upon what I would have to
say are minimal. I admire people who enter onto that
battlefield, come what may, and I stand willing to "lift up
my banner in the Name of the Lord" when they (you) are
successful.
I hope you will find the above of some use in your noble
quest, and I am happy to continue our conversation and/or
answer any other question you may have.
Yours in the One who sacrificed more than we can presently
know that we might reign as kings with Him -- in eternity --
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Pastor Kong calls this the view of the "historical" churches. We no longer live in the middle ages.
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And the 327,000 SGD for local charity is incorrect. CHC gives a lot more.
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You might be interested to know that your Pastor lists his occupation as "Businessman".
http://www.konghee.com/www/publication-kit/kong-hees-profile/
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Originally posted by Zeeleewong:
And the 327,000 SGD for local charity is incorrect. CHC gives a lot more.
Lol. Don't believe your own financial statements? Wanna report this irregularity to the accounting board?
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Originally posted by alize:
Lol. Don't believe your own financial statements? Wanna report this irregularity to the accounting board?
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self pwn is funny
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Originally posted by motoway:
self pwn is funny
Sure Is!
They say a fool and his money are soon parted.
But it's also clear a fool and her folly are seldom parted.
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His anwer came the next day. I share with you his un-edited answer.
It is obvious from your email that you understand
the truth perfectly well, and I commend you for your
truth-based Christianity in sea of muddled thinking.Things are not much different here in the States. We too are awash
with mega-churches which, whatever their doctrine, promote
superficiality over spirituality.Even bigger problems come when the church is or becomes a cult.
It is sometimes difficult to draw that line, but in general terms when
personality, entertainment, numbers and money take center
stage, the church/group moves to the tipping point.From there, the allure of false doctrine is very strong, because
false doctrines are always much more capable of catapulting
personalities to greater fame, exciting the sheep, drawing
in more victims, and fleecing them more effectively.Before going on, here are some links at the site you might want to
consult first:
Read Your Bible: Protection against Cults (includes
"cult characteristics"). <http://ichthys.com/readbible.htm>Seems like the origins of City Harvest is from U.S.
U.S is a more shallow, atomised and materialistic society, no wonder such churches start from there. I think Singapore should reject this negative trend.