Originally posted by zulkifli mahmood:
Like Jesus spoke to his disciples that his words is not his words but from God speaking through him. He didn't write the bible but was written by his disciples. Like a father talking to his sons and his sons converse to their sons....yes. Again, I can't really see the meaning of your thoughts here.....Is the holy scriptures of God really completed?
Yes, the OT canon was already there in Jesus' time. The rest of the NT canon was completed before the first century was over. Altogether 66 books in the Bible.
Originally posted by zulkifli mahmood:
How to really see the truth in the holy bible when there are many facts from God Knowledge of Science that has shown many good and great discoveries for mankind to know more about God Creation which are not found in the holy bible or in other holy scriptures from other religions?
The Bible is not an exhaustive book of knowledge but it is God's revelation to us that is sufficient for us to have a relationship with Him. The Bible provides the framework with which we can investigate the created order. I don't need to know everything in order to know God, I just need to know the God who knows everything.
Originally posted by BroInChrist:Yes, the OT canon was already there in Jesus' time. The rest of the NT canon was completed before the first century was over. Altogether 66 books in the Bible.
Originally posted by BroInChrist:The Bible is not an exhaustive book of knowledge but it is God's revelation to us that is sufficient for us to have a relationship with Him. The Bible provides the framework with which we can investigate the created order. I don't need to know everything in order to know God, I just need to know the God who knows everything.
Originally posted by zulkifli mahmood:The reason I’m not involved in any religion is because I asked myself this question,
you should count your blessings, its a blessing that you do not have any religion to brainwash your thinking and perspectives.
these brain dead zealots are a danger to a secular society, just look no more than the militant zealots.
I'd be doubtful of anyone who claimed to have found the truth... unless that one is proved to have infinite wisdom or possesses faith that can move mountains....
Its an ego thingy... Everyone likes to think that they are special....
I believe Jesus when he said he is the way, the truth and the life. There is no other way to next stage except through him. Repentence is the only way to redemption. Jesus as a sacrifice is the love from God to us, the implied sinners. I hate it when people tries to steal the glory from the only worthy one....
yes a dogmatic doctrine. I wouldnt pay attention to it if I were you, cos I know its not the truth. I have the brains to analyse and think for myself, what is true, untrue, real or false. pity some people are brainwashed into these doctrines too easily.
Originally posted by zulkifli mahmood:
So only the holy bible is completed with God Infinite Attributes you mean. How about other religious books? Does God has an official language for mankind to follow?
Yes I believe that only the Bible is God's written revelation to us. God has no official language. No such notion is taught in the Bible. The Bible teaches that people from every tongue and every tribe will worship Him.
Originally posted by zulkifli mahmood:
I don't mean to offend you here. Can you describe and define God Attributes in one word?
Originally posted by Jacky Woo:you should count your blessings, its a blessing that you do not have any religion to brainwash your thinking and perspectives.
Originally posted by lce:soe weakling seeking comfort in intuitionism
Originally posted by despondent:hello guys and wlecome to the forum zulkifli...
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Yes I believe that only the Bible is God's written revelation to us. God has no official language. No such notion is taught in the Bible. The Bible teaches that people from every tongue and every tribe will worship Him.
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Yes I believe that only the Bible is God's written revelation to us. God has no official language. No such notion is taught in the Bible. The Bible teaches that people from every tongue and every tribe will worship Him.
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Infinite comes to mind. But I think one word is not doing justice
most importantly zulkifli, christianity is about the truth finding us not us finding the truth...tats one impt fact u must take note of...i noe of existing christians who tried finding truth on their own but in the end they became christians not cos they found the truth but tat the truth found them...
Originally posted by zulkifli mahmood:
Thanks for answering that question BrolnChrist. And thank you for being here to clearly state the Christianity stance on matters pertaining to GOD. Congratulation on your promotion of being a Moderator within this topic.
I suggest you go read the world's religion and compare them if you have the time.
I did, here is my conclusion.
god is a myth and fallacy. god is invented by man due to fear of the unknown and supernatural and ignorance of the laws of nature. also partly wishful thinking in an eternal happy ever after life in heaven.
all god religion have their tales of how the world came about etc. all claimed to be the truth. I suggest you use critical thinking and analytical thinking to think about whether god is a myth and fallacy.
Originally posted by zulkifli mahmood:
Hi Jacky, thanks for the advise. Well, it wasn't easy for me to let go of my religion at first since I was raised in a Muslim family and imbued with Islamic teachings. However, somewhere in the year 2000 I think, I let go of my religion. Thencefore, I continue my search for more enlightenment until now. I free my soul from religious doctrines and I can see boundless space for my soul to learn, grow and develop.
didnt your family threatened to disown when you gave up? say, what makes you gave up your religion, care to share?
Originally posted by zulkifli mahmood:Yes. There are things we need to discover and not within religion alone Jacky. I know where I stand with clear conscience.
you just have to know the type of society when these religions first sprang up....science and technology were non existent. superstitious beliefs must have reigned during that era, esp god religions. fear and unknown of nature caused man to seek solace in religion. otherwise how you have sun god, moon god, monkey god etc...........also were earthquakes, tsunamis an act of god? people thought they need to appease god, so turn to sacrifises of humans and animals. this is the fear of punishment, hence sin sprung up too.
Originally posted by despondent:most importantly zulkifli, christianity is about the truth finding us not us finding the truth...tats one impt fact u must take note of...i noe of existing christians who tried finding truth on their own but in the end they became christians not cos they found the truth but tat the truth found them...
eh...searching yes but wad i meant was salvation as a christian dun usually happen thru Man searching for God...nvm, i tink BIC will noe wad i am trying to say...
i wasnt saying that once one became christian, one stops searching for knowledge...as christians we are encouraged to keep growing in knowledge AFTER receiving salvation...
Originally posted by despondent:eh...searching yes but wad i meant was salvation as a christian dun usually happen thru Man searching for God...nvm, i tink BIC will noe wad i am trying to say...
i wasnt saying that once one became christian, one stops searching for knowledge...as christians we are encouraged to keep growing in knowledge AFTER receiving salvation...
haha thats funny, how to search for truth and knowledge when you believe in that man made stories of yours. so you rather believe earth was created in 6 days?
God only exist in a progressed society