Something amiss in Huang Na's case
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Cut our water supply????
Forget it, by 2020, we would by then be self sufficent... Anyway, isn't it too inmature to talk such crap? -
IK, I understand how you people feel back in KL. I believe Ah Hao is innocent, especially from the behaviour of Huang Shuying and her boyfriend. The lesson we can learn from here is not to place too much trust in mainland Chinese. You guys have Suhakam and the like because PDRM is really rotten. However, I think it is a good idea that SPF be placed under public scrutiny as well. Singaporean institutions don't seem very accountable in general.
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Iveco - You sure? There is no corruption in govt offices muchOriginally posted by iveco:IK, I understand how you people feel back in KL. I believe Ah Hao is innocent, especially from the behaviour of Huang Shuying and her boyfriend. The lesson we can learn from here is not to place too much trust in mainland Chinese. You guys have Suhakam and the like because PDRM is really rotten. However, I think it is a good idea that SPF be placed under public scrutiny as well. Singaporean institutions don't seem very accountable in general. -
Originally posted by Poopie-Head:
What you mean by change idea? You mean I change my mind, izzit?
Oh... I thought you juz posted saying that they don't owe the public anything? So fast change idea liao? A reminder of ur previous post -
What has thanking people got to do with owing anybody anything?
You can help me carry things and I say "Thank you". But that doesn't mean I owe you anything.
Maybe I didn't put it clear. They didn't owe the public anything = they are in no obligation in fulfilling the public's curiosity or demand in knowing the amount of money.As for why the parents owe the media, volunteers and people who donated the pek kim, I have already spelt out very clearly in my previous post.
This I agree is a mistake on the parents' side (If it can be proven that they did promise that). If they really said that, they must have said it on impulse. Morally, it is wrong to say something to the media but do another thing. But still, legally, they still reserve the right not to fulfill that.
But still we cannot say they are ungrateful or anything. We can only say that they "che da pao" (in layman's term), when they claimed they would donate money.think u didn't read my post well. Yes, they were VOLUNTEERs who would not expect any returns or benefits, but the parents still owe the volunteers a BIG FAVOR. You know what is "ren2 qing2 zhai4"? They would be ungrateful if they think otherwise. If u still think nothing of it, and u can't understand what I'm talking about, it juz goes to show that u're the ungrateful sort.
Ok, so you mean to return the ren qing, they must announce how much they have? Does that mean thanking the volunteer which they did is not enough? In the first place, the volunteers did not even complain that the parents did not "compensate" them for their time & effort. They are not the one who demand to know the pek kim amount by saying "Hey, we helped you. You should show your gratitude by letting us know how much you have". It is those who did not contribute anything (no help, no money contributed) who demanded that. Strange, huh?
btw, favour means a kind action that you do for someone. In this case, care to elaborate what you mean by big favour and how you think the parents show return the favour?some people might argue that they gave the pek kim thinking that the parents would donate part of it to charity!
But has any of the donors argued on this?why do you think so many people are angry about this? It's not because they kay po, it's because of the COMBINATION all these issues that happen that caused people to suspect their honesty.
Kaypoh people are usually angry over issues that are none of their concern. In this case, none "angry" people are the volunteers or donors.So much that the greed can overcome a person's conscience.
What conscience? He didn't do anything wrong. Neither did he use "dirty" method to get those money. But of course, if anybody could prove that the parents pretended to cry in front of the media to win our sympahty and get people to contribute the pek kim, then you are right to say that they have betrayed their conscience.it juz goes to show that u're the ungrateful sort
Hey, this is uncalled for.
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Originally posted by foxwalk:honeybunz auntie, did they engage a killer from your company?
Ehhh.... let me check with my heng dai and get back to you
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The New Paper - 20 Nov 2004
Please let us grieve in peace
By Dawn Chia
[email protected]
THE man accused of murdering Huang Na was back in court yesterday, and so were the crowds.
But the real drama took place outside as several people shouted and gestured animatedly.
They were engaged in a heated debate over whether Huang Na's parents should donate part of their daughter's bai jin towards charity.
Bai jin is Mandarin for white gold, and refers to contributions by relatives, friends and members of the public towards funeral expenses.
Over the past week, Mr Zheng Wen Hai (left) and his wife have been plagued by two questions.
How much did they receive in donations for Huang Na's funeral?
And how much of it are they going to donate to charity?
This issue were reported in the Chinese evening dailies Lianhe Wanbao and Shin Min Daily and a Channel U current affairs programme, What Say You.
While the couple believes that those making these demands are in the minority and that Singaporeans are generally good-hearted, they are still stressed and upset.
Especially since they are still reeling from their tragic loss after Huang Na, 8, went missing last month and was later found killed.
At his wits' end, Mr Zheng Wen Hai wrote a letter and faxed it to the media on Wednesday.
In it, he pleaded that questions about the money they received and what they were going to do with it not be raised again.
He wrote: 'Please, can you let us come to terms with our loss and grieve in peace?'
Mr Zheng also revealed about how his wife, Madam Huang Shu Ying, was on the verge of a breakdown after reading a newspaper report on Tuesday.
'I woke up in the middle of the night (at 2am, on Wednesday) and realised that she was not beside me,' he said.
'I kept thinking - what would I do if something happens to her?'
With the help of some friends, he looked all over Pasir Panjang Wholesale Centre for her.
Thankfully, he found her - standing outside the wholesale centre, by the road, alone and dazed.
'When I asked what she was doing there, she said that she wanted to look for our daughter.
'That reply was like a knife cutting through my heart - it was painful and frightened me.'
The parents appealed to the public to respect their wishes not to reveal the amount of donations they have received.
He had received some requests from those who gave a token sum not to reveal the amount, and he intends to stick to his promise to them.
Mr Zheng told The New Paper in Mandarin: 'All the bai jin have been given to my wife, and I'll leave it to her to handle it.
'If we could, we'd rather not have the money, and have Huang Na by our side again.
'Who wants to receive bai jin?'
Mr Zheng explained that while he would repay the kindness shown to him and his family by doing some charity work, he would not publicise such acts.
'It will be my personal commitment and I will use my own money to do it.
'I don't see the point in publicising it.'
Madam Huang believes that those demanding that they reveal the amount collected are only a minority group.
'Not everyone is concerned with knowing how much bai jin we received,' she added.
The couple denied ever promising to donate the money to charity. It was a misunderstanding, they said.
'We only said that we would donate the gifts and food, which we have already done,' Mr Zheng told Lianhe Wanbao.
He also refuted rumours that they had received up to $100,000 in bai jin.
Mr Zheng also denied receiving close to $10,000 from a Mr Tan who had a windfall of $130,000, as reported earlier.
He said they received donations from about 1,000 people. The largest sum was $4,000, from someone from their hometown. The smallest was $4.
'There were also people who donated $10, $20, $50, $200, $500. The least was $4. Most of the sums were small,' he said.
Madam Huang told Shin Min Daily that according to tradition, the bai jin is meant for the deceased, and revealing or donating the amount is disrespectful to the dead.
She added that the public may not understand the difference between donations and bai jin.
'If they intended the money to go to charity, why didn't they donate the money directly instead of giving it to us as bai jin for Huang Na?'
Despite the intrusive questions, the grieving parents stand by their belief that Singaporeans are 'good-hearted'.
And they don't blame those who turned up at their daughter's wake and funeral in the hope of making a quick buck by looking for numbers to buy in the next 4D draw.
Mr Zheng said: 'Buying lottery is part of Singapore's culture.
'I respect that, and I don't blame anyone for wanting to capitalise on my daughter's death to win a little money.'
He is grateful that thousands of people turned up at the wake and funeral to send his daughter off.
Never mind some people's obsession with touching her hearse in the hope of rubbing off some of the 'money luck'.
Malaysian Took Leng How, 22, has been charged with Huang Na's murder. He has been remanded in a prison hospital for psychiatric examination. -
Who can forget the OTC vs GIC sage in 1999?Originally posted by sbst275:Iveco - You sure? There is no corruption in govt offices much -
honeybunz > You are one very confused person. I shall attempt to clarify myself one last time. I have said it many times before that these are two separate issues. You keep insisting to relate these two issues together, and you are the one who keep repeating that gratitude is somehow related to bligation to reveal pek kim amount. I am saying that we should treat these as separate issues. So what are the two issues we're talking about??
1st issue - Whether the parents owe the media, volunteers, pek kim donors and the general public anything.
--------- Drawing this line to help u understand what is meant by separate issues ------
2nd AND SEPARATE issue - Whether the parents are obligated to reveal the total amount of pek kim they have collected.
While I must agree these issues are closely-linked, I prefer to see them separately. Never have I once said that gratitude means anything else, yet u keep repeating and insisting that it does.
I have already given my opinions for these two separate issues, no need to repeat myself again. Just want to say that the actions of the parents (esp the step-father) causes many people to doubt his "honesty". The step-father repeatedly trying his best to escape from interviews even to the extent of turning off his HP during an live-tv interview, his mention of having a heart-problem yet refusing to let our local doctors help him, and now his denial of the promise to donate $$ to charity etc etc... are signs that his "honesty" can be questioned.
P.S > Regarding gratitude (1st issue)Originally posted by Honeybunz:
Quote (and I repeat) from my previous post:
What has thanking people got to do with owing anybody anything?
You can help me carry things and I say "Thank you". But that doesn't mean I owe you anything.
Hey, this is uncalled for.
"but the parents still owe the volunteers a BIG FAVOR. You know what is "ren2 qing2 zhai4"? They would be ungrateful if they think otherwise. If u still think nothing of it, and u can't understand what I'm talking about, it juz goes to show that u're the ungrateful sort."
Obviously your idea of "owing" someone gratitude is different from mine. -
after reading thru 10 pages of posts, i must say that honeybunz a really soft hearted person...that is my way of putting it nicely...naive would be a better word...
so much so that you'd think that no parents will kill their own child? not in singapore maybe, but look around the world...things like this has happened time and again...even in singapore, we have cases of incest, maybe not by natural parents, but their step fathers...
there are so many questionable points and yet you kept insisting that it's just a simple case of murder by Took, are you turning a blind eye simply because you don't believe that any parent in the world would kill their own flesh and blood?
think again, HSY comes from china, and in the olden days of china, ppl used to kill/abandon/give away their newly born child if it's a girl, simply because of the single child rule. most, if not all, prefered boys. now, i'm not saying that HSY killed Huang na because she "zhong nan, qing nu", so dun use this to argue...
what i mean to point out is that you cannot rule out the possibility, so what if the step father felt a pain in his heart when HSY said she was looking for her child? this whole saga might just be their ploy to make ppl like you think that they really are pitiful and want the whole singapore to stop hounding them...
let them grieve in peace? look at it this way, if Took did not kill huang na directly, and the mastermind is not brought to justice, will huang na ever rest in peace?
and about the token of condolence, they can bring it back to china if they want, they can build their dream house and live a life of luxury, none of those who donated will want the money back...hell, they can even bring it to their graves for all i care...i just want justice for the girl...
stop watching those weepy korean dramas and taiwanese ou xiang ju, step into the real world... -
hohoho, this thread is not finished yet?
just saying that i won't be commenting anymore on this. Got tired of this discussion. Enjoy dudes!
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Zheng Wenhai's secrets are out. Read nmore about it here. Fark that bloody ccb of a liar.
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I also won't comment anymore. Not imaginative enough to contribute anything, cuz hv not been watching enough movies and tv dramas.Originally posted by nightzip:hohoho, this thread is not finished yet?
just saying that i won't be commenting anymore on this. Got tired of this discussion. Enjoy dudes!
Have fun speculating and posting, everyone! -
Anyone of you here are insurance agents?
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your thinking isn't even clear enough to distinguish separate issues on their own.Originally posted by Honeybunz:I also won't comment anymore. Not imaginative enough to contribute anything, cuz hv not been watching enough movies and tv dramas.
Have fun speculating and posting, everyone!
The latest news about HN's step-father lying about his criminal past in singapore is just another evidence that his "honesty" is highly questionable - exactly what I said in my previous post. -
Was Zheng Wenhai ever part of a kidnap gang that targeted their fellow mainlanders? According to my mother, his name sounds so familiar because he was charged with kidnapping in 1999 or 2000.Originally posted by Poopie-Head:your thinking isn't even clear enough to distinguish separate issues on their own.
The latest news about HN's step-father lying about his criminal past in singapore is just another evidence that his "honesty" is highly questionable - exactly what I said in my previous post. -
my mama says huang na mother looks like huai nu ren
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Encik Intrakota, saya amat bangga atas kebimbangan anda terhadap kaum cina di Malaysia. Sebagai seorang cina yang PERNAH tinggal di malaysia, saya cuma ada 1 alasan baik kenapa saya harus meniggalkan negara itu, iaitu kaum cina TIDAK dianggap sebagai rakyat yang SAMA tahap seperti kaum melayu, mereka sering dianggap sebagai "pendatang" dan perkataan ini pernah dikatakan oleh ahli UMNO.Originally posted by IntraKota:If our pple are not treated properly on your soil, you must be prepared to suffer the consequences. Putrajaya has every right to get back to you in whatever way they like.
In English,
Mr Intrakota, i am very proud of u for having such caring thought over our malaysian chinese man. As a chinese , who once live in M'sia, i have only 1 reason why i left that country and become a citizen here, it is because chinese in malaysia, will never be consider a same citizen status as the malays. ( is this call justice, fairness, human rights? ur quran teaches u to treat other races unfairly? ). We are often called "immigrants" , and these word has once said by member of UMNO. Hussien Onn son ( forgot his idiotic name) once mentioned it too.
And more too add, there are so many chinese gals' rape cases in malaysia. So, WHY never the newspaper mentioned the accused or who actually raped those chinese gals? Is because of u MALAYS watch too much Jap porns and cant control urself. I rarely come across a chinese ppl who rape a chinese gal in msia. Mostly malay in msia are fond of raping, even raping thier own daughter.
In Singapore, we didnt mistreat the malays like how u treat the chinese in msia. One day, God will punish u ppl terriblely. Learn from spore malays, at least they are much more discipline, highly educated, and know better english than u malays in msia. Knows nothing but only know how to show off.
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Ah Hao is likely innocent. Zheng Wenhai has a criminal record and deserves more scrutiny. Also, my cousin in Melaka is a close friend of one DAP guy. Apparently DAP thinks SPF used cruel methods to force a confession out of him.Originally posted by AMD2004:Mr Intrakota, i am very proud of u for having such caring thought over our malaysian chinese man. As a chinese , who once live in M'sia, i have only 1 reason why i left that country and become a citizen here, it is because chinese in malaysia, will never be consider a same citizen status as the malays. ( is this call justice, fairness, human rights? ur quran teaches u to treat other races unfairly? ). We are often called "immigrants" , and these word has once said by member of UMNO. Hussien Onn son ( forgot his idiotic name) once mentioned it too.
And more too add, there are so many chinese gals' rape cases in malaysia. So, WHY never the newspaper mentioned the accused or who actually raped those chinese gals? Is because of u MALAYS watch too much Jap porns and cant control urself. I rarely come across a chinese ppl who rape a chinese gal in msia. Mostly malay in msia are fond of raping, even raping thier own daughter.
In Singapore, we didnt mistreat the malays like how u treat the chinese in msia. One day, God will punish u ppl terriblely. Learn from spore malays, at least they are much more discipline, highly educated, and know better english than u malays in msia. Knows nothing but only know how to show off.
Wan to cut our water...go die lah.
BTW, I've lived briefly in KL before. Not all Malays are bad. Only a tiny minority. -
Ok, if i accept the view of tiny minority are bad, not all, then do u agree on chinese were never treated as a "same " class of citizen as the malays? i udn mind the 3 conditions that we agreed on the hak istimewa, but why when anytime we have dispute, they sure shout as us calling us pendatang? do u think is fair? I luv msia, and that was past. I hate the government then since they never treat us like a normal citizen. Look at all the quota of university entry...do u think this is a fair education? Who wans to spend money to go outside so expensive to study? is becoz the government limit the chinese? Am i right?Originally posted by iveco:Ah Hao is likely innocent. Zheng Wenhai has a criminal record and deserves more scrutiny. Also, my cousin in Melaka is a close friend of one DAP guy. Apparently DAP thinks SPF used cruel methods to force a confession out of him.
BTW, I've lived briefly in KL before. Not all Malays are bad. Only a tiny minority. -
Not just the Chinese. All the non-bumiputras. Tun Razak & his succesors thought they could advance their own people by having affirmative action. In the City-state down south, elitism was exploited to the max. IMO, KL & SG are opposing poles of a magnet. A cross-comparison of SG, MY & AU will show that option #3 is the most balanced.Originally posted by AMD2004:Ok, if i accept the view of tiny minority are bad, not all, then do u agree on chinese were never treated as a "same " class of citizen as the malays? i udn mind the 3 conditions that we agreed on the hak istimewa, but why when anytime we have dispute, they sure shout as us calling us pendatang? do u think is fair? I luv msia, and that was past. I hate the government then since they never treat us like a normal citizen. Look at all the quota of university entry...do u think this is a fair education? Who wans to spend money to go outside so expensive to study? is becoz the government limit the chinese? Am i right? -
I dun quite understand what u r typing, however just answer me, is this fair to give quota for education? Is it fair to call a chinese who born in malayisa pendatang? Then they have to buck up themselves if they are backwards. How cant they press down the chinese and give them so much priority? This is about racial fairness. The non-bumi are also malaysian citizen as well.Originally posted by iveco:Not just the Chinese. All the non-bumiputras. Tun Razak & his succesors thought they could advance their own people by having affirmative action. In the City-state down south, elitism was exploited to the max. IMO, KL & SG are opposing poles of a magnet. A cross-comparison of SG, MY & AU will show that option #3 is the most balanced.
It is like, this guy is rich, and the other guy is poor. So, one can rob the rich man house and give the money to the poor? u cant right.
anyway, i apologize for going off topic, will stop here. This is huang na's case. Just because of the stupid intrakota that talk crap in here. -
It is possible to do it discreetly. Basically, this is how the welfare state works.Originally posted by AMD2004:It is like, this guy is rich, and the other guy is poor. So, one can rob the rich man house and give the money to the poor? u cant right. -
Now Huang Na's mom is been investigated for illegal entry
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Now, the parents ask ppl to stop asking abt everything
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this case so complicated... then the victim is an innocent child.. hai
