God isn't all good and benevolent
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If only God can create (for He is the one and only Creator - Christians, you've got to agree with me on this one), then He must have created evil as well. Yet how can we ever proclaim the origin of evil to be all good and staggeringly benevolent? This is a laughable contradiction in itself.
God is hardly consistent in His so-called benevolence. He condemns killing (Exodus 20:13), but goes about ordering it (Exodus 32:37); He blesses peace (Matthew 5:9), but brings about war (Revelation 19:11). Clearly, this is a God deeply flawed in his notion of being all benevolent. Therefore He cannot be perfect as aforeclaimed.
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freedom of choice.
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Originally posted by angrynor:freedom of choice.
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THE ULTIMATE TRUTH. 
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whos perfect ?so long u have clear conscience which is impossible
as these days even words can kill -
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Where is stupidissmart when we need him?
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HAPPY VESAK DAY! EVERYONE!
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Satan was God's fallen angel. he was crafty. And evil i would say originate from Satan, not God.Originally posted by vyssa:If only God can create (for He is the one and only Creator - Christians, you've got to agree with me on this one), then He must have created evil as well. Yet how can we ever proclaim the origin of evil to be all good and staggeringly benevolent? This is a laughable contradiction in itself.
God is hardly consistent in His so-called benevolence. He condemns killing (Exodus 20:13), but goes about ordering it (Exodus 32:37); He blesses peace (Matthew 5:9), but brings about war (Revelation 19:11). Clearly, this is a God deeply flawed in his notion of being all benevolent. Therefore He cannot be perfect as aforeclaimed.
Genesis 3:1
Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "
Genesis 3:4
"You will surely not die," the serpent said to the woman. For God knows that when you eat it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.
Genesis 3:6
When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
Didnt God warned them not to eat? Yet they went on to eat the forbidden fruit.
And i wonder if vyssa, ru a christian?
my personal views. If God did not interfere, in say, (Exodus 32:37); what would be the consequences? Should God pretend not to see those corrupted people who turned their backs against God? They were lead out of Egypt by God through Moses, yet they burnt offerings and "pray" to the gold calf? There must be a reason why God ordered. why do you have doubts about God?
And war
(Revelation 19:11).
With justice he judges and makes war.
Hey, the war is undefined. We dont have answers to that. War between good and evil? Between ? ...
Besides, the book revelation is quite complicated. Different readers will have different perceptions, i guess.
purely my own views. peace. -
if god was all knowing, he would already know that satan was going to turn evil...
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There is no good without evil... no light without darkness...
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yes, and we will all be robots and puppets now. ALL V ting hua, all very guai guai, with robot brains, God set you to turn left, u turn left because God had stopped Satan.Originally posted by FrozernFire:if god was all knowing, he would already know that satan was going to turn evil...
Hey, but God did not create puppets, if He did, you wouldnt be saying "he would already know that satan was going to turn evil" right here." He created souls who had the freedom to choose. And unfortunately some refuse the fact that He is God, someone like you.
Someone who run away from the TRUTH. wahaha.. peace. cant and oso wont brainwash you. u decide. -
that is why the issue is so contentious.
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too complicated, i'll never understand this, no one will.
no one can ever grasp the full understanding of this holy knowledge thingy... -
Everything has its own opposite.
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dark side
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if satan was god's fallen angel...who made him fall? assuming that all angels in heaven were in total worship of the all mighty...and as for killing...well..more ppl kill in the name of religion than anything else...didnt the crusades prove dat well enough?
god isnt all good and benevolent cause god, like us, is human, seeing as how we can make mistakes, we can only assume he can make mistakes cause he made us in his image. which is kinda sick.
and god is supposed to be all forgiving but...well...he loves you, but he'll send you to hell anyway if you disobey him. regardless of whether or not you've repented. and if killing is a bad thing, den do the ppl who kill in god's name [which ever alias he's using ] do they go to hell to? -
is there god in the first place?
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Originally posted by BITCHY_BITCH:
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Im more sick to see that you feel sick. It's your human point of view of God. He is holy and no one can deny that. He made us in His image. (strictly my point of view, im not sure if im wrong or not) I think that human beings were not sinful at all and did not make mistakes until Eve fell for the trap that satan had set. Why you link human beings' mistakes to God? Its human being that has sinned.Originally posted by luel:if satan was god's fallen angel...who made him fall? assuming that all angels in heaven were in total worship of the all mighty...and as for killing...well..more ppl kill in the name of religion than anything else...didnt the crusades prove dat well enough? [quote]
Satan made himself fall. the term "fall" is being banished to earth. He rebelled against God and wanted to take the place of God, therefore he was banished to earth. In scripture, Satan is the chief of the fallen angels (Matthew 12:24). It is a singular concept, Satan leading a whole army of devils. These are fallen angels (2 Peter 2:4; Jude 6), therefore, like man, they were created beings. The killing part ...im not sure about crusades.
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god isnt all good and benevolent cause god, like us, is human, seeing as how we can make mistakes, we can only assume he can make mistakes cause he made us in his image. which is kinda sick.
God IS forgiving.and god is supposed to be all forgiving but...well...he loves you, but he'll send you to hell anyway if you disobey him. regardless of whether or not you've repented.
Romans 9:14-15
What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."
Repent sincerely and God will forgive you. Obey him if you do not want to go to hell then! Since you know that the consequences of disobedience is hell, obey Him then. It's like a teenager rebelling against his parents, knowing that the parents would be upset and angry, yet purposely do something wrong.
I cant answer your question, because i don't know, im not God. He's forever fair and justified in judging human beings. Those who repented sincerely to Him and believed in Him... i think they will be saved. God will judge them.if killing is a bad thing, den do the ppl who kill in god's name [which ever alias he's using ] do they go to hell to? -
Si peh cheem.....