Dismissed from previous employer...
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My friend is applying for new jobs these few days. As typical of traditional thinking, some companies have application forms that ask if you were dismissed from previous jobs before.
She happened to be dismissed before, but it was because she was too much of a whistle blower. If you don't know what is a whistle blower, check on the net. It is nothing sexual.
My opinion is not to. The reason being most employers and HR are not empathetic towards dismissed workers no matter what reasons. Most will read the resume, application forms with a negative view first, looking for convincing points that the candidate is a Harvard grad, with Japanese-style loyalty who is willing to die for the company, multi-lingual in 128 languages, 10 PhDs, work for "peanuts", etc etc, aka God. I always get the sense that the interviewers are looking to employ God, a perfect being.
What is your opinion? Should she disclose? -
all men strives for perfection.Originally posted by Cindyfeh:I always get the sense that the interviewers are looking to employ God, a perfect being. -
it could be a double-edged sword. depend on what the interviewer realli want.Originally posted by Cindyfeh:My friend is applying for new jobs these few days. As typical of traditional thinking, some companies have application forms that ask if you were dismissed from previous jobs before. -
meaning of whistle blower: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistleblower
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dun disclose mite mean problems in d future rite ?
not tellin dem means canot fill up dat declaration portion w/o facing possible repercussions ?
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its still best to be honest at times...after all they can check ur friend's employment history records with the govnt authorities
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Just like Durai needs a toilet with gold-plated taps?Originally posted by Mr Fugue:all men strives for perfection.
I think employers today are silly. You can only employe God if your organisation has God-like-system, aka heaven. But which organisation doesn't have politics, mismanagement, etc?
I saw her application form. The company HR is really old minded. Even ask what her family members are working as, date of births, etc.
I was thinking... what the hell? How do those inputs affect her chance of being selected for the interview? -
Does employment history records with govnt authorities show "Dismissed from ABC company"?Originally posted by agk_titan:its still best to be honest at times...after all they can check ur friend's employment history records with the govnt authorities
She told me she disclosed before and non of the companies called her back. Got once, she disclosed in an interview and that boss (of a SME) immediately shoot her back, "don't say about your ex-boss, is it you who has something wrong?". When I heard that story, I was like, what the fck! No wonder SMEs will always remain as SME with their narrow, squeeze the employees, non-trusting minds. -
If the company want to check with the relevant government department need a lot of paper work to apply with income tax department etc.
Why would they want to do it?
Unless criminal record which info easily obtain from police division HQ.
The most human resource personnel will ask your friend to list down his/her
past employer.
The HR will call up them to check those companies in her job application form.
So if she is dismiss before in that company.
The HR will find out direct from this employer and not from government department.Originally posted by Cindyfeh:Does employment history records with govnt authorities show "Dismissed from ABC company"?
She told me she disclosed before and non of the companies called her back. Got once, she disclosed in an interview and that boss (of a SME) immediately shoot her back, "don't say about your ex-boss, is it you who has something wrong?". When I heard that story, I was like, what the fck! No wonder SMEs will always remain as SME with their narrow, squeeze the employees, non-trusting minds. -
i will write because if they are unwilling to hire people who has been dismissed before and they found out about my past,chances are they'll dismiss me again and the next time i fill up another form,its 2 paragraphs i have to write now.
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it is definitely in your friend's favour to keep it under wraps.
as the saying goes 'what you dont know wont hurt you'.
if the company finds out later it does not make any difference anymore. your friend's performance would have convinced them otherwise then. -
strangely, the counter-intuitive thing to do would be to hire her..
dismissed for being a whistle-blower = integrity intact...
integrity intact = good name for the company..
good name for the company = customers will trust the company
customers will trust the company = they'll come back
they'll come back = increased revenue
but lots of companies have too many skeletons in the closets? -
Can the meaning of the word "dismissed" be twisted?
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Actually now that I have cooled down quite a bit (getting worked up is bad for my internal organs, including the kidneys), I changed my mind.Originally posted by stellazio:i will write because if they are unwilling to hire people who has been dismissed before and they found out about my past,chances are they'll dismiss me again and the next time i fill up another form,its 2 paragraphs i have to write now.
I agree with stellazio, bears and a couple of others. She should put down that she was dismissed and the reason. If the company don't believe her reason, it means a narrow minded company which wouldn't have much future anyway, and thus no point working for such a company. -
You can call it discharged from service.Originally posted by shade343:Can the meaning of the word "dismissed" be twisted? -
By the way, what is the diff between "Race" and "Ethnic group"?
My friend needs to fill in both. -
eh? thought no difference?
put down Human for Race?Originally posted by Cindyfeh:By the way, what is the diff between "Race" and "Ethnic group"?
My friend needs to fill in both. -
Race/Ethnic. Put the same answer for both lor. If they question, then question them back lor.
Don't put that he/she is a whistle blower. If they ask, then tell. Yeah, like Durai! One gotta eat. No real welfare system in Singapore hor. -
eg race : cinaOriginally posted by Cindyfeh:By the way, what is the diff between "Race" and "Ethnic group"?
My friend needs to fill in both.
ethnic group : hokkien speaking clan -
See, she told the truth and the interviewer treated her in this way. For job applications, don't always tell the truth.Originally posted by Cindyfeh:She told me she disclosed before and non of the companies called her back. Got once, she disclosed in an interview and that boss (of a SME) immediately shoot her back, "don't say about your ex-boss, is it you who has something wrong?". When I heard that story, I was like, what the fck! No wonder SMEs will always remain as SME with their narrow, squeeze the employees, non-trusting minds.
Nevermind if exposed later, can always look for another job. 
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Originally posted by the Bear:
Skeletons or not, employers generally frown upon employing "whistle-blowing " candidates because the company's interests must always be placed before personal interests, principles or code of ethics so that the longevity of the entire organisation could be ensured. (They have auditors -- internal or otherwise -- to flush out the skeletons, so other staff should let the auditors do their jobs and not step out of line.)
strangely, the counter-intuitive thing to do would be to hire her..
dismissed for being a whistle-blower = integrity intact...
integrity intact = good name for the company..
good name for the company = customers will trust the company
customers will trust the company = they'll come back
they'll come back = increased revenue
but lots of companies have too many skeletons in the closets?
Once a person has breached that trust -- even while in good faith -- on record, it'd be difficult to convince future employers that the trust would not be breached again. Why would any employer want to take that risk when there are other candidates available? -
that's true.. but heck.. if i had a company, i'd hire her.. with the infrastructure intact for reports of abuse or whatever in place.. a company must have its integrity intact if they are to survive.. the name TT Durai comes to mind.. now, if everything was in the open and he was clean, none of this would have happened..
but that's wishful thinking coz i'm not cut out to be a businessman or entrepreneur
Originally posted by Tuatau:Skeletons or not, employers generally frown upon employing "whistle-blowing " candidates because the company's interests must always be placed before personal interests, principles or code of ethics so that the longevity of the entire organisation could be ensured. (They have auditors -- internal or otherwise -- to flush out the skeletons, so other staff should let the auditors do their jobs and not step out of line.)
Once a person has breached that trust -- even while in good faith -- on record, it'd be difficult to convince future employers that the trust would not be breached again. Why would any employer want to take that risk when there are other candidates available? -
There's no choice - she has to disclose. All it takes is one referral call to her previous company to find the truth. How much and for how long can you hide? She'll just have to present her case in the best possible light. Sometimes you have to put a spin on things.Originally posted by Cindyfeh:My opinion is not to. The reason being most employers and HR are not empathetic towards dismissed workers no matter what reasons. Most will read the resume, application forms with a negative view first, looking for convincing points that the candidate is a Harvard grad, with Japanese-style loyalty who is willing to die for the company, multi-lingual in 128 languages, 10 PhDs, work for "peanuts", etc etc, aka God. I always get the sense that the interviewers are looking to employ God, a perfect being.
What is your opinion? Should she disclose? -
It all depends on the co.
If small co., they don't have the resource/ time to check but beware of big MNC cos they have HR people to check.
Also depending on the position u are applying for. Some senior/ sensitive positions involving money they will do background check -
Originally posted by the Bear:
Too much integrity, perhaps?
but that's wishful thinking coz i'm not cut out to be a businessman or entrepreneur