interracial relationships...
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what say u?
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Ok a bit topic drift but how abt say inter racial PLUS inter religion? Say a guy wanna marry a malay m**lim ger so the guy need convert and the guy below must cut the skin away? I have an ang mo colleague who is as above but I so embarassed to ask for him he must go cut skin? So any ppl who in same scenario wanna comment?
Cut skin painful? Young tat time cut better or old tat time cut better?
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haha interacail n inter religion would be a chagllenge
my friend would ended up with a muslim girl did not leh.. only convert... i think already inter racial is rather tough cos of the culture difference.... (personal experience) ... but if religion is also an issue.. WHAO tough sia !
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Bad idea
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inter-racial is still ok.. but i mean.. must convert to a same religion?.. no no.. im not willing to pray 5 times a day, go to mosque every friday.
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There is certainly nothing in principle wrong with interracial relationships; for we are all members of one and the same human species.Originally posted by coffeeortea:inter-racial is still ok.. but i mean.. must convert to a same religion?.. no no.. im not willing to pray 5 times a day, go to mosque every friday.
In fact, I believe that each individual person is more than the sum of his genes; and this is could be why (if my belief on this score is true) a person of one race may happen to find members of the opposite sex of some other other race more desirable than are the members of the opposite sex of his own race.
I know, for instance, that some Indian men find Chinese women very much more attractive than Indian women (in general); and, what is more to the point, I also know that some of the same men are given to finding Indian women the least attractive of all possible types of women.
I think that even if it is true that some of these Indian men have the preference that they have for Chinese women (and posssibly also the aversion that they have towards the women of their own race) for a reason that partakes exclusively of naturalistic factors (so that their set of dispositions in this regard can be compared, in terms of their cause, with what is in some quarters held to be the cause of the fact that some Chinese men are unable to desire any women, except the women of their own race, or, at least, such women as seem to them to be indistinguishable from those whom they take to be the women of their own race); I think that even if this is true, that still would not mean, however, that the Indian men in question would be unable to muster the willingness to act in the teeth of their dispositions in this regard.
On the Christian view, it is this ability to fight off our own inclinations (however they may arise in us and regardless of the series of factors, naturalistic or otherwise, by which they may be accounted for) that marks us off individually as persons who are each cast in the image of God.
My advice, then, to any person who may be afflicted with some of the aforementioned tendencies (or with tendencies that are similar to these), would be as follows:
So what if a particular ethnic group of women are more desirable, as some of your friends maintain, than are the women of your own ethnic group, and so what if you cannot help but feel yourself bound to agree with your friends in this regard?
It is still open to you nonetheless to seek beauty on a higher plane and on the sort of plane where if you will but sincerely seek it there, you should certainly find it.
For, is not the beauty of the Crucified Christ infinitely greater than any natural spectacle this universe can afford you, even that of the face of the most beautiful woman on earth?
Let the pagans have their Aphrodite and let them sate themselves like animals with the taste and sight of her flesh; you, my friend, you, turn to the Living Christ!
In Christ,
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It is because thre is not enough sg indian girl to meet their tastes but unlimited amount of chinese women.
And nowadays those indian men want those bollywwod type of gals which are serious shortage here in singapore. if there are any, 90% of the time they are proud, and materialisitc. -
Vivek, you have seriously missed my point.Originally posted by Vivek Oberoi:It is because thre is not enough sg indian girl to meet their tastes but unlimited amount of chinese women.
And nowadays those indian men want those bollywwod type of gals which are serious shortage here in singapore.
It's got nothing to do with supply; after all, if I don't like seafood to begin with, I'm not going to be particularly pleased by the prospect of my living in a country where there are only restaurants which sell seafood.
The point really is this:
What marks me out as human in a way that cannot be captured by any naturalistic account of my humanity, is my ability to resist whatever tendences I find might to be operative within myself (and this regardless of how these tendencies are themselves to be accounted for).
If one of your Indian friends is unable to prevent himself from thinking of Chinese girls as being generally more attractive than Indian girls (even the Indian girls who hail from 'Bollywood'), then I seriously doubt whether you can offer him any solutions.
I believe, however, that for such a person (and indeed for all of us) a solution is to be had in the fact that we are each supposed to be seeking beauty on a higher plane than that on which it may be supposed that feminine beauty (of whatever type) exists.
When you can appreciate the Crucifixion as beautiful, then you will regard the very category (so to speak) of feminine beauty as utterly inadequate to capturing what it truly means to be beautfiul.
Vivek, in my eyes, the care-worn face of Mother Teresa is very much more beautiful (and more hauntingly so at that) than the most beautfiul of your so-called 'Bollywood women'.
I'm sorry Vivek, but you are pathetically short on solutions.
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U should get a clue first. Not all Indian men like chinese woman. They can only admire but to them their first choice will be an Indian girl , that is if they can get according to their preference. And the real reason why those Indian men go for chinese women is not beauty or wadver crap. it is because of money. Those women may have some advantages over indian women when it comes to connections, people or workforce. Did u ever notice that chinese women those indian men marry are most of them not good looking. Either short, fat or ugly. Do u think Indian men who that dumb? There is always a catch. There will be loads of beautiful Indian women from North India who will be willing to marry a Singapore Indian men just like how u chinese men want vietnam or china brides.Originally posted by MrBach:Vivek, you have seriously missed my point.
It's got nothing to do with supply; after all, if I don't like seafood to begin with, I'm not going to be particularly pleased by the prospect of my living in a country where there are only restaurants which sell seafood.
The point really is this:
What marks me out as human in a way that cannot be captured by any naturalistic account of my humanity, is my ability to resist whatever tendences I find might to be operative within myself (and this regardless of how these tendencies are themselves to be accounted for).
If one of your Indian friends is unable to prevent himself from thinking of Chinese girls as being generally more attractive than Indian girls (even the Indian girls who hail from 'Bollywood'), then I seriously doubt whether you can offer him any solutions.
I believe, however, that for such a person (and indeed for all of us) a solution is to be had in the fact that we are each supposed to be seeking beauty on a higher plane than that on which it may be supposed that feminine beauty (of whatever type) exists.
When you can appreciate the Crucifixion as beautiful, then you will regard the very category (so to speak) of feminine beauty as utterly inadequate to capturing what it truly means to be beautfiul.
Vivek, in my eyes, the care-worn face of Mother Teresa is very much more beautiful (and more hauntingly so at that) than the most beautfiul of your so-called 'Bollywood women'.
I'm sorry Vivek, but you are pathetically short on solutions.
Please get a clue.
Franky speaking those Indian girls in Singapore has attitude problems. Too any of them. -
Mother Theresa more beautiful?
What a perv!!
But my views on the topic.I dont agree with any of the views above.I find myself attracted to girls of every race.Race is not and never will be an issue when dating to me,but religion would be.I wouldn't mind a girl with a religion,as long as she doesnt force her views on me and respects my free thinking.
The theory about men finding other races more attractive if flawed,because my experience disproves that myth.As for Indian girls in Sg,I think that Vivek's views are spot on.A common complaint from my Indian friends as well.None are interested in those local South Indian girls you find bumming around at Little India.They crave North Indians,who are generally in short supply and are generally expensive maintenance due to their wealthy backround.Hence,they settle for local Chinese or Malays.
Another observation I'd like to share.I find that local Indian guys are generally well integrated into society and have no problem mixing around with other races.In fact,Id go as far as saying that they're the most integrated around.But,the same cannot be said abot local Indian girls,who stick around their own clique.Hence,inter-racial relationships among Indian guys,and not girls,are pretty common.
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And u notice that those Indian men those handsome ones dont go with Chinese women, they go for those north indian trendy chics. ....it is those ugly one who marry Chinese women who are equally ugly as them.
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But Aphrodite represented femininity, didn't she? The stamping our of Graeco-Roman mythology by the Judeo-Christians only served to lower the status of women later on. Wiccans, and Greek mythologists, to some estent, had more respect for women.Originally posted by MrBach:Let the pagans have their Aphrodite and let them sate themselves like animals with the taste and sight of her flesh; you, my friend, you, turn to the Living Christ!
In Christ,
Ben -
She is beautiful on the inside. THe living embodiment of Christ himself.Originally posted by finance_geek:Mother Theresa more beautiful?
"Christ has no hands or feet on earth but ours." - Ste Therese of Liseoux. -
Vivek do not generalise.
I know 2-3 good looking North Indian fellas pullling in grade A Chinese babes on a regular basis.Not all go for the ugly ones.
Like I said,everyone has their own prferences.No one marries another person for contacts etc.That's plain sad. -
Looking at current bollywood trends, there are more gorgeous babes than hunks your fingers cannot even count. And know that Indian men are not slouch. They know there is huge world out there with many beautiful indian women but their problem is - They are stuck in SG
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Let me ask you.
Are you even attracted to other races?Or just have a warped mentality about Bollywood.
The last i heard,Bollywood was a film industry,not some region in India producing babes.
So loosen up,experiment around.We're living ina globalised environment,it'll pay off for sure. -
Another thing,hy study Bollywood trends?
Are u that rich that getting hitched to movie stars is your ultimate objective?
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The majority out ther eis the ugly type of couple. When there is a majority, then people will have too generalise. Sad but that is fact.Originally posted by finance_geek:Vivek do not generalise.
I know 2-3 good looking North Indian fellas pullling in grade A Chinese babes on a regular basis.Not all go for the ugly ones.
Like I said,everyone has their own prferences.No one marries another person for contacts etc.That's plain sad.
I had 1 or 2 chinese girls before, the trendy Grade A types u see who tried to get close to me.It is becuase they tried to get close to me. Not me. Same for those 2-3 indian guys u know. They just want the female attention be it if it is chinese or indian gal. All men think alike
And some Indian guy ego booster like to wayang and act big to show that Chinese gal like them. These type is the one who is not into indian culture and more into western stuff.... -
Do u know that now it is easy for anyone to get into Bollywood, so long u got looks? It s like come ang go type of thing. If u notice their men are always the same and women change all the time. It is a babe producing machine, an indirect fact.Originally posted by finance_geek:Let me ask you.
Are you even attracted to other races?Or just have a warped mentality about Bollywood.
The last i heard,Bollywood was a film industry,not some region in India producing babes.
So loosen up,experiment around.We're living ina globalised environment,it'll pay off for sure. -
Aphrodite represented femininity defied; and that to the first Christians (who were of course converts from Judaism) was anathema.Originally posted by iveco:But Aphrodite represented femininity, didn't she? The stamping our of Graeco-Roman mythology by the Judeo-Christians only served to lower the status of women later on. Wiccans, and Greek mythologists, to some estent, had more respect for women.
To the earliest of Christians, there was only One God; and One Christ who was for them the True and Only Lord.
That was why their proclamation of the Gospel was interpreted by the Roman authorities as a challenge to the supremacy of Caesar; and so indeed it was.
I'm not sure if the deification of feminity or its personification in the concept of Aphrodite truly did anything to elevate the status of women in the ancient world; and that is why I cannot be sure that the overturning of this concept would have led or did in fact lead to what you have described as the lowering of the status of women.
But I do know that people who believed in Aphrodite did not think it amiss that women should serve as prostitutes in the various temples dedicated to her; and I also know that one of the ways in which a woman's status can be lowered is by a person's believing it to be the case that it does not serve to demean a certain class of women that the women of this class should be made to function as whores.
For Christians, morality was the same for king as well as for peasant; and we were all destined (according to the Christians) to be judged according to the same set of standards by one and the same Lord.
Does this Judaeo-Christian concept of morality 'lower the status of women'; or does it rather raise it by its insistence that a man is as much to be held guilty for his sins as is a woman for hers (all other things being equal)?
I'll let you be the judge of that.
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One more thing those indian guy with the chinese babes are smooth talker, more smooth than chinese guys which is why the chinese chic fall for them....And in the fist place those chinese chic hate their own kind of guys
And most of that indian guy have that westernised sharp features big eyes, classic hairstlye ect...From what i know that some chinese gal want those features. Hence why many SPG around in Singapore sucking Ang mo dicks -
And on the outside as well - that was my point.Originally posted by iveco:She is beautiful on the inside. THe living embodiment of Christ himself.
"Christ has no hands or feet on earth but ours." - Ste Therese of Liseoux.
The holiness within transfigures her countenance, rendering it all the more beautiful by the lines which spread across it than should otherwise have been the case.
T S Eliot says somewhere 'Like a candle in a holy place, such is the beauty of an aged face'.
I love the quote from St Therese; it reminds me of something Gerard Manley Hopkins wrote about how it is that Christ is at work in so many places, in and through the hands and fingers and feet of people who are other than Him.
Beautiful quote - thanks.
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Let me tell ya dudes, The chinese chics i knew and those u see with Indian bf, many of the are the westernised type. The other type which is the typical chinese - open mouth all kind of crap come out like ah lian doesnt go well with indian guys
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Jesus demanded that everyone be of equal status, regardless of gender (JnOriginally posted by MrBach:Does this Judaeo-Christian concept of morality 'lower the status of women'; or does it rather raise it by its insistence that a man is as much to be held guilty for his sins as is a woman for hers (all other things being equal)?
I'll let you be the judge of that.
In Christ,
Ben
. Even the Pharisees who demanded to stone the whore had to comply with His request that whoever without sin should cast the first stone. Of course, these men were guilty of watching the woman having sex with her client in the first place. But did the Jewish law think so? Definitely not.
Fast forward to the present day. Do we see Jesus' teachings being carried out? I don't quite think so. The people who make the important decisions for the Church are predominantly men. I doubt Ben 16th and his predecessors have a strong grasp of the problems faced by women in society since they aren't even female. Some Christian practices have inadvertently exacerbated the problems associated with discrimination against women.
The Wiccan hierarchy, in contrast, is headed by the High Priestess. This is because the Supreme Being is (Mother) Nature, and is of a maternalistic disposition. You can be sure that many feminists are drawn towards Wicca given their beliefs in female superiority. -
Wtf is all the crap? What has it got to do with the discussion?Originally posted by iveco:Jesus demanded that everyone be of equal status, regardless of gender (Jn. Even the Pharisees who demanded to stone the whore had to comply with His request that whoever without sin should cast the first stone. Of course, these men were guilty of watching the woman having sex with her client in the first place. But did the Jewish law think so? Definitely not.
Fast forward to the present day. Do we see Jesus' teachings being carried out? I don't quite think so. The people who make the important decisions for the Church are predominantly men. I doubt Ben 16th and his predecessors have a strong grasp of the problems faced by women in society since they aren't even female. Some Christian practices have inadvertently exacerbated the problems associated with discrimination against women.
The Wiccan hierarchy, in contrast, is headed by the High Priestess. This is because the Supreme Being is (Mother) Nature, and is of a maternalistic disposition. You can be sure that many feminists are drawn towards Wicca given their beliefs in female superiority.