Christians say Hungry Ghost Festival sucks...
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I can't confirm this, but i think i can confirm that the people who says that are misguided.Originally posted by ditzy:Christians always tell me non-christians end up in hell, can someone confirm this?
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Dear All,
As i mentioned in the first post of mine, in this thread, i was not here to start a war.
Yes, as i posted, there are some christians who are intolerable and do have high persuasive skill, but that is beyond my control, ppl make their own decision, be it to shout, to kill or to yell. As far as i am concern, i am catholic and they do not practise coaxing ppl. Again, to those that my brothers and sisters in christ had offended thee, sorry.
But one thing upset me is generalization that i see here. U can CRITICIZE the ppl , but please due to respect do not criticize a religion. no religion is bad, be it christian, muslim , hindu or buddist. Each teach a human moral value, but it is those individuals practising it that minority tarnish the name terriblely. So please, dont every sentence u type, u scold " stupid christians, u idiot chrisitians ," as it is greatly unmoral.
To Ogbunwenzeh, Nikar, hxm and no problemo, i do not know what religion u r in, if u r in Buddism, please practice ur karma, if u r muslim there is a thing call God and u do pray 5 times a day. As i mention, every religion has a black sheep, perhaps u u guyz do have one, u r not far from it by showing this amount of respect.
EVERY religion do have some clashes, i was once approach by a palm reader, he kept following me and ask me to let him read his palm. I turned to him, said politely, sorry i dun believe in palm reading , he scolded me saying that i show no respect, scolding me that u chinese dont even believe ur own original belief, and do curse that something will befall on me. I just walked away.
SO, the point is, do i accept him as a black sheep, a minority of a belief, or do i come to SGForum and start thread " STUPID BUDDHIST/TAOIST palm reader go CURSE me" ?? Having a direct attack on a religion will spark religion war. It is they way u think and interprete things, u can say whatever u want, but i do hope that every word u say please be responsible for it for it can hurt a millions, and kill a millions too.
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I see no point in debating who is older.Originally posted by maggot:By the way Buddhism is much older than Christianity
The Christian Bible starts from creation. The Abrahamic faith starts 4000 years ago. So? Doesn't make it more or less true than other religions. -
Originally posted by MrBach:
To those who only study dharma academically only may think that it is such. But in fact it is beyond that, because it's a way of life, a practise of enlightenment.
I regard Buddhism as simply a philosophy which contains (as it happens) a great deal of truth.
Ven. Jue-Hsing
A scholar once asked, "Buddhism seems a great theory, and I find it useful. Is Buddhism a Philosophy?"
"Master Shen-Kai once said 'Buddhism is not Philosophy but beyond Philosophy,'" I replied.
"Why so?" The scholar asked.
"Philosophy is a system of thoughts based upon logical reasoning." I answered. "However, Buddhism is about realizing truths while detaching from thoughts."Here is my critique:
I'm not in university but in secondary school.
1) 'He said - knowledge seekers like us from the university should not resort to such uncivilised ways of preaching.'
Response: Is your master implying that 'knowledge seekers' like yourself (whom he identifies with the students at a university) ought alone to abstain from such 'uncivilised ways of preaching'? Is he suggesting that it would be beneath you to have recourse to such 'ways of preaching'?
Does he not know that by appealing to your pride to keep your instincts in check, he is actually bringing about a situation wherein you will seem to yourself to be virtuous because of your success at keeping your instincts in check, even though you will in fact be a very proud person?
Does your master not regard pride as a sin?
But anyway, maybe you misunderstood what I say, the "He Said" refers to the University Lecturer, not my Master. And it was probably not out of pride that the research into Buddhism was done, but out of reasoning and logic.2) 'From then on, he researched into all the teachings of Buddhism and found that it is flawless and was the teaching that he wanted to bring to the people. Being repentant of his earlier action, he renounced as a monk.'
You should understand why did my master research into Buddhism teachings? It is because of the intent to find faults and flaws to write it in his critique. But upon his deep research and studying however, eventually he found that it is flawless, and on top of that he found that Buddhism offers what he wanted to bring to humanity. He did not specifically claim that other religions have alot of flaws, but he just did not find flaws in the scriptures he read and therefore his critique could not be completed.
Response:
If your master found Buddhist teachings flawless, then that must be because he had found the teachings of other faiths to be flawed; and if he then wanted to bring the message of Buddhism to the people, then it had to have been the case that he was fully aware of the fact that by disseminating Buddhism in this way, he would necessarily have been forced to imply to his audiences, that the messages preached by the other faiths were all flawed.
This being the case, your master too is engaged in the act of criticising (albeit not overtly and in an uncivilised fashion) the messages preached by other faiths.
By the way there is another similar story which is much more well known, he was Dr. Rhys David, son of a famous clergyman. He had the intention to prove superiority of Christianity over Buddhism, so he went to find the Buddhist scriptures. At those times Buddhist scriptures were not translated to English (that was over a hundred years ago), so he began his translation to write his own critique. However in the end he became a Buddhist and helped translate many scriptures to English, so Buddhists would have to thank him for many important English scriptures like the Dhammapada today.Moreover, if your master felt that it was necessary for him to become a Buddhist in order to repent of his earlier action, then it is obvious that he has not fully understood Christianity; for on any sound view of Christianity, it would be simply wrong that one should communicate the message of Christianity to a Buddhist by the method of persuading him that his faith as a Buddhist is in every sense demonic.
To repent for his earlier action is one matter, the other matter is to pursue his original vision as mentioned in my post.
Also it is good that you do not see Buddhism as demonic
If people do not have such extreme views than I'm sure Singapore will have more religious harmony.3) 'So, people who want to put down other people religions must in the first place go and learn more about it - otherwise it will be hated by others. Which is why Christians also receive quite many 'bashings'. This is karma, they bash ppl, ppl bash them
Sometimes people are bashed innocently, sometimes in crimes, robbery etc. These things are very unpredictable. But karma is beyond the present life, we also have past life karma, and are also planting the karmic seeds for the next life. There is a saying, if you want to know your past life, see what is your life like now. If you want to know your future life, see what are you doing in your life now.'
Response:
If it's 'karma' that a person is 'getting bashed' because he 'bashed' someone then it has to follow that whoever he bashed must himself have deserved the bashing he received; otherwise, it would seem impossible for the latter person to have been able to be bashed in the first place.But if this is so, then why cannot I take the view that I should be entirely justified in doing something which is evil, so long as I would be prepared to reap the consequences for doing it?
Interesting. But it would be ignorant for someone to do evil and fall into hell. I don't think anyone is willing to fall into hell. For "lighter" karma, I would say Yes, some people are willing to take the consequence. This is what my dharma teacher told me - for example if the dharma centre had pest problems, or bee hives etc, would she ask pest control to come? She say yes, she would take the karmic consequences but for a greater benefit.On this view of the matter, we do not even need to consider whether or not such 'bashing' is morally correct in the first place (whether there is any sense in which it could ultimately be said to be moral); for so long as we feel that the operation of 'karma' will ensure that whatever evil we do will come to affect only those persons who could deservingly be made subject to its sway, we need not even be bound to feel that the evil which we do is in fact evil, except from a certain subjective point of view.
Buddhism teaches compassion for every single person. So as long as we cause miseries/unhapiness for another person that is also against Compassion. Can our evil affect others? Of course, but it is also part of their previous karmas to be affected by you.
That is why many Buddhists regard morality as subjective; and that is one of the reasons why I am not a Buddhist.
Buddhism not only teaches us to do good and avoid evil, but to cure the root cause of evil - that is from the Mind. That is why Buddhism often emphasizes the need to purify the mind, because the Mind is the source of all good, all evil, all sufferings and hapiness/etc. Why is there Evil? In Buddhism, sentient beings have the 3 poisons, Greed, Hatred, Ignorance. And that is due to the illusion of a 'Self'. Because of the 'Self', we do all sorts of things, causing people sufferings, and only care for ourselves. So Compassion is the opposite of this. And ultimately, our aim is to attain Buddhahood, Enlightenment, Liberation from Samsara.
"A human being is part of a whole, called by us the "Universe," a part
limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and
feelings, as something separated from the rest--a kind of optical delusion
of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting
us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest us.
Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circles
of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its
beauty." - Albert Einstein -
Buddhism existed in countless previous worlds too! heheOriginally posted by Icemoon:I see no point in debating who is older.
The Christian Bible starts from creation. The Abrahamic faith starts 4000 years ago. So? Doesn't make it more or less true than other religions.
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got so many threads there...Originally posted by Honeybunz:
anyway.. i'm more of a science person.. what happens after i die, i dun really care... as long as i leave this world without regrets
hmmz regarding the ge tai... no idea... been a very long time since i last saw one..
if u're refering to those wayang.. think temples might hav them
i miss the good old days too
tho i dun understand what they were sayin -
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Originally posted by Honeybunz:
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yah lor .. mei wan mei liao one .. just like reincarnation .. hahahOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:Buddhism existed in countless previous worlds too! hehe
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Starts from creation?Originally posted by Icemoon:I see no point in debating who is older.
The Christian Bible starts from creation. The Abrahamic faith starts 4000 years ago. So? Doesn't make it more or less true than other religions.
Your Bible is missing 3 chapters when it was compiled in early europe -
Jesus died for us? Died for our sins?
Killed by Roman soldiers on the cross lah
Christians really believe he died for you all -
some ppl are inconsiderate and burn on the tarmac and grass.....Originally posted by Marco_Simone:Overheard some of them say burn joss papers make the place very dirty.Say all these getais very noisy.The way they said it was very condescending...
CB,nowadays got many young Christians wannabes always putting down other religions...
and if ur irritated by the getai shows while driving out(out of the carpark to head somewhere,i tink the getais are mostly next to carparks) then u just press the horn for 10 sec and if they say why u horn, u tell them they so noisy and so i want to make even louder noise so they know thats its noisy...... -
Why you keep repeating?Originally posted by maggot:Jesus died for us? Died for our sins?
Killed by Roman soldiers on the cross lah
Christians really believe he died for you all
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which 3 chapters?Originally posted by maggot:Your Bible is missing 3 chapters when it was compiled in early europe -
or else what you want .. Jesus commiting suicide?Originally posted by maggot:Jesus died for us? Died for our sins?
Killed by Roman soldiers on the cross lah
Christians really believe he died for you all -
Choy!Originally posted by Icemoon:or else what you want .. Jesus commiting suicide? -
For nearly 2000 years how did Christianity spread?
Definitely not denoucing other religions of course
It's GOD'S LOVE
Those missionaries spoke of GOD'S LOVE first rather than denoucing other religions
They give more rather than take
But nowadays it's like take more give less
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errm, dude, Christianity did not start from Europe or America, lol............
i know lah, but 99.99999999% of ang-mohs are Christians mah. so?
i'll tell you. So these bananas think it's real KEWL to be like them, so they take up that religion.
also,.......i wanna emphasize that even if some of the other religions, like Buddhism and Toaism have missionaries that keep "harrasing" others to convert, they're very rare in numbers, compared to Christian missionaries.
how many? more likely 1 : 500 or worst.
want another example of how Christians wanna control non-Christians' life? fine.
i believe you guys know of this sex position called the "Missionary" position, whereby the guy is on top and the girl is below, and the guy does the girl in this manner.
u know how this sex position got the name "missionary"? because in the early centuries, a long time ago, Christian missionaries travel to most parts of the world to encourage and emphasize on this kinda position. yes, exclusively this position and nothing else, because they believe it's right. can you.......BELIEVE this????? KAN ni na!!!!!
what next? tell a non-Christian like me to pray for 10 mins before touching the food, cos' the food is from the Almighty, even though i didn't work, i'll get it.......cos' it's from the Almighty, right?
i'm a believer/follower of no religions other than MYSELF, understand? KNN!
i hate to say this, but Tru Peace........if you hadn't post that thread about how the incense and hungry ghost festival irritates you, all these wouldn't happen. KNN!
if you were the one who's criticizing other religions, be they astrologism, asatru, Islam, Buddhism etc.......i'll also kan you. KNN eh!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Nikar:i know lah, but 99.99999999% of ang-mohs are Christians mah. so?
i'll tell you. So these bananas think it's real KEWL to be like them, so they take up that religion.
also,.......i wanna emphasize that even if some of the other religions, like Buddhism and Toaism have missionaries that keep "harrasing" others to convert, they're very rare in numbers, compared to Christian missionaries.
how many? more likely 1 : 500 or worst.
want another example of how Christians wanna control non-Christians' life? fine.
i believe you guys know of this sex position called the "Missionary" position, whereby the guy is on top and the girl is below, and the guy does the girl in this manner.
u know how this sex position got the name "missionary"? because in the early centuries, a long time ago, Christian missionaries travel to most parts of the world to encourage and emphasize on this kinda position. yes, exclusively this position and nothing else, because they believe it's right. can you.......BELIEVE this????? KAN ni na!!!!!
what next? tell a non-Christian like me to pray for 10 mins before touching the food, cos' the food is from the Almighty, even though i didn't work, i'll get it.......cos' it's from the Almighty, right?
i'm a believer/follower of no religions other than MYSELF, understand? KNN!
i hate to say this, but Tru Peace........if you hadn't post that thread about how the incense and hungry ghost festival irritates you, all these wouldn't happen. KNN!
if you were the one who's criticizing other religions, be they astrologism, asatru, Islam, Buddhism etc.......i'll also kan you. KNN eh!!!!!! 
What tokking you? You ok or not???? -
agree.Originally posted by Nikar:i know lah, but 99.99999999% of ang-mohs are Christians mah. so?
i'll tell you. So these bananas think it's real KEWL to be like them, so they take up that religion.
also,.......i wanna emphasize that even if some of the other religions, like Buddhism and Toaism have missionaries that keep "harrasing" others to convert, they're very rare in numbers, compared to Christian missionaries.
how many? more likely 1 : 500 or worst.
want another example of how Christians wanna control non-Christians' life? fine.
i believe you guys know of this sex position called the "Missionary" position, whereby the guy is on top and the girl is below, and the guy does the girl in this manner.
u know how this sex position got the name "missionary"? because in the early centuries, a long time ago, Christian missionaries travel to most parts of the world to encourage and emphasize on this kinda position. yes, exclusively this position and nothing else, because they believe it's right. can you.......BELIEVE this????? KAN ni na!!!!!
what next? tell a non-Christian like me to pray for 10 mins before touching the food, cos' the food is from the Almighty, even though i didn't work, i'll get it.......cos' it's from the Almighty, right?
i'm a believer/follower of no religions other than MYSELF, understand? KNN!
i hate to say this, but Tru Peace........if you hadn't post that thread about how the incense and hungry ghost festival irritates you, all these wouldn't happen. KNN!
if you were the one who's criticizing other religions, be they astrologism, asatru, Islam, Buddhism etc.......i'll also kan you. KNN eh!!!!!!
is he alright??? need doctors not? -
well from my own experience, i once had christian missionaries coming up to me and try to get me into their religion, more then thrice!!!!! wad's with it man, and the best part is they were only approaching youngsters, i didn't even see them approach ppl in their 40's(i stayed and one corner and observed with my friend)
by the way, peace is the only way we can stay to avoid wars, that's the reason why we have racial harmony, even the pledge also has regardless of race language or religion, and but still i have bests friends who are christians...For me i respect yr religion as long as u respect mine, but sometimes things relli go out of hand like having then critisising the buddhist gods as demons, and it's not just certain black sheeps, it's almost like 7 out of 10 ppl i talk to think that way -
You go jump off a building and tell me in my dreams whether you're calling from hell or heaven, okie??Originally posted by ditzy:Christians always tell me non-christians end up in hell, can someone confirm this? -
Yes. Jesus died to take away some of our Karmic baggage. Christianity also got teach about Karma what. By the way, Hinduism is the world's oldest religion.Originally posted by maggot:Jesus died for us? Died for our sins?
Killed by Roman soldiers on the cross lah
Christians really believe he died for you all
The "Christianity sin" is against buddhism karma law teachings
It's a crash
A fight sure will pop out
By the way Buddhism is much older than Christianity -
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