Without suffering...
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In "A Walk to Remember", there was this particular scene where Shane West said: "There's too much bad Shit in this world", to which Mandy Moore replied: "Without suffering, there would be no compassion". Shane West then said: "Yeah, well tell that to those who suffer".
Do you agree that without suffering, there would be no compassion? -
wah.....this is so philosophical........
i tink compassion can be meted out to everyone.....not necessary oni to those tt are "suffering"
and how do u define "suffering"? -
just look at singaporeans, their greatest hobby is to complain
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So you mean without villains there won't be heroes as well?
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I guess suffer as in suffering from famine, diseases, etc. If we are all free from suffering, will we still be compassionate? Because there wouldn't be any less fortunate people around.Originally posted by FireIce:wah.....this is so philosophical........
i tink compassion can be meted out to everyone.....not necessary oni to those tt are "suffering"
and how do u define "suffering"? -
like any innate capability, it takes external environmental factors to facilitate its realization. compassion resides in all of us, and it takes a certain impetus to tap on it. the degree of realization under any circumstance also depends on historical conditioning such as upbringing, past experiences and the impart of 'moral' values.Originally posted by ^spidee^:I guess suffer as in suffering from famine, diseases, etc. If we are all free from suffering, will we still be compassionate? Because there wouldn't be any less fortunate people around. -
So you are saying that compassion is omnipresent but needs something to trigger it?Originally posted by poon cho tang:like any innate capability, it takes external environmental factors to facilitate its realization. compassion resides in all of us, and it takes a certain impetus to tap on it. the degree of realization under any circumstance also depends on historical conditioning such as upbringing, past experiences and the impart of 'moral' values.
Say we come to a point in the future where there is zero suffering and the future generations do not have any past experiences of showing compassion. Without these experiences, is it likely that they would become more amoral/selfish than we already are today?
Oh, and which side of the argument is easier to debate if such a topic should appear in a debate competition?
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Seriously... If come one day where 'suffering' fail to exist, I'll simply see 'compassion' as a relunctant behavior as well..? Not like we would even have a chance to be amoral or selfish in the 1st place? Without sufferings...?Originally posted by ^spidee^:So you are saying that compassion is omnipresent but needs something to trigger it?
Say we come to a point in the future where there is zero suffering and the future generations do not have any past experiences of showing compassion. Without these experiences, is it likely that they would become more amoral/selfish than we already are today?
Oh, and which side of the argument is easier to debate if such a topic should appear in a debate competition? -
So you agree with Mandy?Originally posted by Devil1976:Seriously... If come one day where 'suffering' fail to exist, I'll simply see 'compassion' as a relunctant behavior as well..? Not like we would even have a chance to be amoral or selfish in the 1st place? Without sufferings...? -
i would say nothing exists without a reason. of course, in this case, we must see whether suffering and compassion are solely co-dependent on each other in order for each other to exist and manifest themselves, which i don't think so. of cos, suffering can never cease to exist because it, together with compassion, is essentially just another human quality, among a multitude, which only humans can place a meaning or significance to it and express and articulate it at the same time.Originally posted by ^spidee^:So you are saying that compassion is omnipresent but needs something to trigger it?
Say we come to a point in the future where there is zero suffering and the future generations do not have any past experiences of showing compassion. Without these experiences, is it likely that they would become more amoral/selfish than we already are today?
Oh, and which side of the argument is easier to debate if such a topic should appear in a debate competition? -
no i dun agree, like being poor u can be happy without suffering at the same time u can still be compassionate to others poorer than u but not really sufferings.
like u understand what they feel, working hard for money. -
cause and effect.Originally posted by ^spidee^:In "A Walk to Remember", there was this particular scene where Shane West said: "There's too much bad Shit in this world", to which Mandy Moore replied: "Without suffering, there would be no compassion". Shane West then said: "Yeah, well tell that to those who suffer".
Do you agree that without suffering, there would be no compassion?
would there still be policemen if there is no such thing as crime? -
I never knew Mandy Moore was inspiring in this way!
Wonder what Britney thinks? -
Mandy Moore has always been more restrained and more elegant compared to Britney. Now Britney is just making a fool of herself.Originally posted by Rexdriver:I never knew Mandy Moore was inspiring in this way!
Wonder what Britney thinks? -
that quote sounds familiar..like buddhist one
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same as "without evil, will there be good?"
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Top me up pls?Originally posted by ^spidee^:So you agree with Mandy?
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I re-read the quote from Ms Moore. Its plain silly. Compassion is a quality that reveals itself during moments of suffering, but that does not mean suffering is needed to breed compassion. Besides, even if it does, I'd rather a world without suffering than a suffering world filled with compassion.
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without good there is no bad. no evil, no gods.