Why can't we? Because we are slaves to reality...
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We are forced to do many things in ordinary reality: we must eat, drink, sleep, on penalty of death. Also, no matter what we do, we shall eventually, within a fairly predictable time frame, die; we cannot stay alive forever, or even for a couple of hundred years. We can't travel back and forth in time; can't fly to other planets by flapping our arms. The list could go on and on, and I have simply offered limits we are subject to in virtue of the laws of nature. In other words, compared with some easily imaginable possibilities, we are severely constrained, in a type of bondage, though ordinarily most of us don't think of it as such. Writers, artists, philosophers, and theologians over the centuries have of course been keenly aware of these limitations, examined many forms of human bondage, and offered various types of suggestions as to how to free ourselves. Human beings have longed to "break out" of this reality, to transcend the imposed limitations on their physical being. Moreover, we should be clear that these limitations are imposed on us. We simply find ourselves in this condition, with these rules: we all die within approximately 100 years. It has nothing to do with our voluntary choice, our wishes, or our judgements about what ought to be the case.
Who has done this to us? Answering this question is important to some degree because we typically use the term "enslavement" to refer to something done by one agent to some others. In the case of the constraints I outlined above it may be harder, initially, to find anyone on whom to pin the blame. But of course human beings have offered answers to this question: one is God; another, the laws of nature. Religious thinkers have struggled with questions about why we should not be angry at God for constraining us in the ways he does: why do people die, why can't we go back in time, travel to other planets, etc.? Others conclude that God is not constraining us, but simply the laws of nature. At least at first this thought might be a bit more palatable insofar as we think of the laws of nature as impersonal features of reality; no one made them that way (if God did, then we get angry at him again). They do not mean to constrain us and there is no mind or intelligent force actively doing anything to us... -
Errr.... your post very long ppl read until no mood. Please summarize so we can follow up. Just a kind suggestion. Please spare a thought for those whose english not so good ppl in here.
Thanks
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ok i use sec 1 english next time
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neo are u the chosen one to bring us out of the matrix?
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ok i use sec 1 english next time
Greatly appreciate your kindness to accomodate those english not so good ppl in here. So now I wait for your sec 1 english posting ok? -
i thought the above is primary school standard.
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i thought the above is primary school standard.
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When people don't age and die they will still kill off each other when they get fed up with each other
So with aging and death we will treasure our time when we were still alive -
So with aging and death we will treasure our time when we were still alive
Not true cuz even with aging and death ppl are already and still are killing each other off becuz they are fedup of each other -
if we treasure our time then what are we doing talking nonsense here?
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..ayy.. you ah, nothing better to do ah? YOu questioning the Nature & the Universe?Originally posted by AshieneZ:We are forced to do many things in ordinary reality: we must eat, drink, sleep, on penalty of death. Also, no matter what we do, we shall eventually, within a fairly predictable time frame, die; we cannot stay alive forever, or even for a couple of hundred years. We can't travel back and forth in time; can't fly to other planets by flapping our arms. The list could go on and on, and I have simply offered limits we are subject to in virtue of the laws of nature. In other words, compared with some easily imaginable possibilities, we are severely constrained, in a type of bondage, though ordinarily most of us don't think of it as such. Writers, artists, philosophers, and theologians over the centuries have of course been keenly aware of these limitations, examined many forms of human bondage, and offered various types of suggestions as to how to free ourselves. Human beings have longed to "break out" of this reality, to transcend the imposed limitations on their physical being. Moreover, we should be clear that these limitations are imposed on us. We simply find ourselves in this condition, with these rules: we all die within approximately 100 years. It has nothing to do with our voluntary choice, our wishes, or our judgements about what ought to be the case.
Who has done this to us? Answering this question is important to some degree because we typically use the term "enslavement" to refer to something done by one agent to some others. In the case of the constraints I outlined above it may be harder, initially, to find anyone on whom to pin the blame. But of course human beings have offered answers to this question: one is God; another, the laws of nature. Religious thinkers have struggled with questions about why we should not be angry at God for constraining us in the ways he does: why do people die, why can't we go back in time, travel to other planets, etc.? Others conclude that God is not constraining us, but simply the laws of nature. At least at first this thought might be a bit more palatable insofar as we think of the laws of nature as impersonal features of reality; no one made them that way (if God did, then we get angry at him again). They do not mean to constrain us and there is no mind or intelligent force actively doing anything to us...
These things are NOT within our capacity to control, or fully understand with our puny little self-centered minds! -
amen.Originally posted by AshieneZ:We are forced to do many things in ordinary reality: we must eat, drink, sleep, on penalty of death. Also, no matter what we do, we shall eventually, within a fairly predictable time frame, die; we cannot stay alive forever, or even for a couple of hundred years. We can't travel back and forth in time; can't fly to other planets by flapping our arms. The list could go on and on, and I have simply offered limits we are subject to in virtue of the laws of nature. In other words, compared with some easily imaginable possibilities, we are severely constrained, in a type of bondage, though ordinarily most of us don't think of it as such. Writers, artists, philosophers, and theologians over the centuries have of course been keenly aware of these limitations, examined many forms of human bondage, and offered various types of suggestions as to how to free ourselves. Human beings have longed to "break out" of this reality, to transcend the imposed limitations on their physical being. Moreover, we should be clear that these limitations are imposed on us. We simply find ourselves in this condition, with these rules: we all die within approximately 100 years. It has nothing to do with our voluntary choice, our wishes, or our judgements about what ought to be the case.
Who has done this to us? Answering this question is important to some degree because we typically use the term "enslavement" to refer to something done by one agent to some others. In the case of the constraints I outlined above it may be harder, initially, to find anyone on whom to pin the blame. But of course human beings have offered answers to this question: one is God; another, the laws of nature. Religious thinkers have struggled with questions about why we should not be angry at God for constraining us in the ways he does: why do people die, why can't we go back in time, travel to other planets, etc.? Others conclude that God is not constraining us, but simply the laws of nature. At least at first this thought might be a bit more palatable insofar as we think of the laws of nature as impersonal features of reality; no one made them that way (if God did, then we get angry at him again). They do not mean to constrain us and there is no mind or intelligent force actively doing anything to us... -
duizzzOriginally posted by AshieneZ:We are forced to do many things in ordinary reality: we must eat, drink, sleep, on penalty of death. Also, no matter what we do, we shall eventually, within a fairly predictable time frame, die; we cannot stay alive forever, or even for a couple of hundred years. We can't travel back and forth in time; can't fly to other planets by flapping our arms. The list could go on and on, and I have simply offered limits we are subject to in virtue of the laws of nature. In other words, compared with some easily imaginable possibilities, we are severely constrained, in a type of bondage, though ordinarily most of us don't think of it as such. Writers, artists, philosophers, and theologians over the centuries have of course been keenly aware of these limitations, examined many forms of human bondage, and offered various types of suggestions as to how to free ourselves. Human beings have longed to "break out" of this reality, to transcend the imposed limitations on their physical being. Moreover, we should be clear that these limitations are imposed on us. We simply find ourselves in this condition, with these rules: we all die within approximately 100 years. It has nothing to do with our voluntary choice, our wishes, or our judgements about what ought to be the case.
to eat is enjoyment and so is drink...
living forever is too draining and boring...so watever for??
i don't want look out and see one fat soh flying and banging onto my window...that i m glad...
so wat better to ask for then wat we already have hurhurhur....
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you're wrong. we already have the ability to control nature by accelerating global warming and creating rain in desert areas of the world. now we are learning to harness the dark energy that forms 72% of the universe, that black mass u see in space. soon nature will be under our control...Originally posted by ShutterBug:..ayy.. you ah, nothing better to do ah? YOu questioning the Nature & the Universe?
These things are NOT within our capacity to control, or fully understand with our puny little self-centered minds! -
... and together we can rule the empire! Join the dark side!Originally posted by AshieneZ:you're wrong. we already have the ability to control nature by accelerating global warming and creating rain in desert areas of the world. now we are learning to harness the dark energy that forms 72% of the universe, that black mass u see in space. soon nature will be under our control... -
Dun need think so much la bro. Why do you need to travel back in time when tmr will be a better day ? Why would you want to fly to the moon when there is no internet connection there ? No internet cannot surf sgfourms leh.
And so what if we possess such almighty powers ? Always remember, with greater power, comes greater responsibiity. Even with lowly technologies and power like AK-47 and parang knives, we humans are already killing each other over petty issues everyday. So what makes you so sure that with technologies like time traveling will only benefit us and not cause our downfall instead ? We humans are the most selfish and greedy creatures around. For the survival of planet Earth and the human race, some things are better being left undiscovered and untouched.
Dun worry be happy!
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Whether or not, we have TRUE control over nature and the universe, only TIME will and can tell.Originally posted by AshieneZ:you're wrong. we already have the ability to control nature by accelerating global warming and creating rain in desert areas of the world. now we are learning to harness the dark energy that forms 72% of the universe, that black mass u see in space. soon nature will be under our control...
If we were meant to master nature and the universe, God/nature would not have given us a short lifespan of within 100 years.
As humans are what we are, majority of Earth's population are only interested in survival and greed over power, and money.
So hence, before our mighty ship reaches a distance shore, we might have sunk it way much earlier. -
tell that to all the greatest inventors and theologists who ever lived. it is because they think beyond their human limits that they make great breakthroughs in science, medicine, anything...Originally posted by schoolworkphobia:Dun need think so much la bro. Why do you need to travel back in time when tmr will be a better day ? Why would you want to fly to the moon when there is no internet connection there ? No internet cannot surf sgfourms leh.
And so what if we possess such almighty powers ? Always remember, with greater power, comes greater responsibiity. Even with lowly technologies and power like AK-47 and parang knives, we humans are already killing each other over petty issues everyday. So what makes you so sure that with technologies like time traveling will only benefit us and not cause our downfall instead ? We humans are the most selfish and greedy creatures around. For the survival of planet Earth and the human race, some things are better being left undiscovered and untouched.
Dun worry be happy! -
interesting that, your last sentence. however i do not believe in god or any mighty being that controls our daily lives. i believe that we can achieve what we want to accomplish if only we have the determination and will to do so. by the way, our lifespan of 100 years is due to various factors such as the food we consume, we life we live, the environment we live in, and the deteoriation of the body's organs, and god (if he exists) has done nothing to make it a must for us to live a hundred years. advances in neuroscience and genetics have allowed humans to extend their lifespans and we would be able to live long lives in the future, though not necessary meaningful ones.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Whether or not, we have TRUE control over nature and the universe, only TIME will and can tell.
If we were meant to master nature and the universe, God/nature would not have given us a short lifespan of within 100 years.
As humans are what we are, majority of Earth's population are only interested in survival and greed over power, and money.
So hence, before our mighty ship reaches a distance shore, we might have sunk it way much earlier. -
How I wish I had a chance to remind them about human nature. I do agree that the scientists, inventors etc based their research solely for the benefit of mankind. But after they introduced their product to the public, humans like you and I will try and make use of this new invention to satisfy our selffish desire and greed. Only then, the poor inventors realise the big sh*t they got the human race into.Originally posted by AshieneZ:tell that to all the greatest inventors and theologists who ever lived. it is because they think beyond their human limits that they make great breakthroughs in science, medicine, anything...
For every 1kg of gunpowder used for fireworks, at least another 100kg of it is used to make bullets.
My point here is no matter how beneficial or outstanding a new technology is, we will abuse it in the end, resulting in us digging our own grave. And for that, I hope our elite scientists will not take the risk and come up with another earth-shattering break through( eg time-travelling) until we are mature enough to control ourselves. -
thats right, thats the reason why i've started so many topics on destruction of the environment and the dependence by humans on artificial intelligence.Originally posted by schoolworkphobia:How I wish I had a chance to remind them about human nature. I do agree that the scientists, inventors etc based their research solely for the benefit of mankind. But after they introduced their product to the public, humans like you and I will try and make use of this new invention to satisfy our selffish desire and greed. Only then, the poor inventors realise the big sh*t they got the human race into.
For every 1kg of gunpowder used for fireworks, at least another 100kg of it is used to make bullets.
My point here is no matter how beneficial or outstanding a new technology is, we will abuse it in the end, resulting in us digging our own grave. And for that, I hope our elite scientists will not take the risk and come up with another earth-shattering break through( eg time-travelling) until we are mature enough to control ourselves. -
Thats pretty cool. I think its great for people from all walks of life to come together and have an intelligent discussion about issues like this. I shall keep my eyes open for more abstract topics from you in future. Keep it up!
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i've got some other topics i started here:
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=178721
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=178341 -
Sometimes i just wanna cry for the world.
God has created this earth and it is because of sin that we start to deteriorate and die within 100 years.
We have the power to control nature. But we abuse it.
Look at the world. It is dieing.
Omg...I wanna sob.
When I die, I am gonna ask God the question everyone has on their minds..."Lord, what were we there for?" -
god made us imperfect, god is an ass!!!!