Migrants to australia obliged to "be Australian"
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Have our dear neighbours, the Australians, lost the plot?
Remember they are not asking migrants to abide by the law which is perfectly reasonable, but also by Australian culture and values.
According to the newspaper's online poll 3 out of 4 australians support John Howard's view.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/live-here-be-australian/2006/02/24/1140670269194.html
Live here, be Australian
MIGRANTS are obliged to "be Australian" and social integration must be pushed harder, John Howard has declared.
In an interview marking his 10th anniversary as Prime Minister, Mr Howard also describes the burqa, the full head covering worn by some Muslim women, as "confronting".
Mr Howard yesterday defended as "fundamentally accurate" a controversial speech by his Treasurer, Peter Costello, on core Australian values.
But Mr Howard's interview with the Herald, conducted before the Costello speech, confirmed that the two men are singing from the same song sheet in expressing trepidation about a divide between some Muslims and mainstream Australia.
It also illustrates the futility of some Muslim leaders appealing to Mr Howard yesterday to censure Mr Costello for the speech on Thursday.
Mr Howard told the Herald, "when you come to this country, you become Australian". Similarly, Mr Costello had said: "Before becoming an Australian, you will be asked to subscribe to certain values. If you have strong objections to those values, don't come to Australia."
In the interview, Mr Howard said multiculturalism had become distorted and too often stupidly meant "a federation of cultures". And he said Muslims must work at avoiding their alienation. Mr Costello condemned "confused, mushy, misguided multiculturalism".
Initially, the Costello comments - including stripping citizenship from people who advocate Islamic law over Australian law - were judged to be at odds with Mr Howard. On the same day, Mr Howard had spoken of the contribution of "all of those who weren't born in this country" and extolled Australia as the least discriminatory country. In the interview, however, Mr Howard said integration was underdone, even though Australia was "very socially cohesive". Yesterday Mr Howard said Australia's core set of values flowed from its Anglo-Saxon identity and the Treasurer's essential point - that people should not migrate to countries they do not appreciate - was unexceptional.
Mr Howard said Australian Muslims overhwelmingly were committed to Australia, and terrorism was based "upon an evil, distorted interpretation of Islam Â… But that doesn't mean you can't identify areas of concern, and I think the reaction of some in the Islamic community Â… is quite unreasonable."
Costello backers said his remarks were intended to brand him as conservative enough for a legitimate shot at the Liberal leadership. Yesterday Mr Costello continued to promote the cause for a more demanding citizenship test. On Sydney radio he brushed aside the leadership question when asked if he was positioning himself by making remarks that some would consider to be racist.
Despite a chorus of protest at the Costello speech, NSW's Labor Premier, Morris Iemma, called it reasonable and practical and said immigrants should "leave the disputes, leave the extremism and leave the fights behind". This endorsement is a sure sign that Labor polling identifies the Muslim divide as a potent electoral issue.
Pauline Hanson, the former One Nation leader, said she was vindicated by Mr Costello. She added that "he needs to throw these people out of this country who do not embrace Australia".[/b] -
honestly its about time. their land their rules. not happy? stay where you are lor...
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u come malaysia u follow malaysia rule(that means no pump full tank in jb and drive back to sg)
it's their land..so u not happy dont go lo -
actually, seriously..
you go to a country to be their citizen, yet you don't want to learn the language, the ways and everything of the land you go to...
there are some duties and responsibilities.. i figured being part of the social fabric there would be a big part of it.. -
hmm sort of agree lah, you go migrate to other pple's country have to abid by their rules mah. cannot say your culture got other law then wanna implement it in the new country
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Agree to some extent.
BUT....remember that is also the argument for Malaysia's policy of giving special rights to bumiputras. I have read disparaging remarks about this in another thread. Apart from the fact that we have no right to tell a sovereign nation how to govern themselves, it is also true that if Chinese and other minorities wish to emigrate there, we have to accept their system.
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Nothing wrong.
If you want to migrate to Singapore, live by our culture and subscribe to our multiculturalism.
If you want to change something, it has to be positive to the community at large.If not, keep it out of sight. -
What are the rules by the way?
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not sure about the discussion over the other side. but i think we are talking about migrants here.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Agree to some extent.
BUT....remember that is also the argument for Malaysia's policy of giving special rights to bumiputras. I have read disparaging remarks about this in another thread. Apart from the fact that we have no right to tell a sovereign nation how to govern themselves, it is also true that if Chinese and other minorities wish to emigrate there, we have to accept their system.
So why are people whining about racial discrimination there?
but i do think the children of the migrants(born there after migration or soemthing) do have the right to lobby for changes. after all they are real citizens of the country. -
but there is a certain extent to how much they should change the social and cultural fabric of the nation.Originally posted by hisoka:not sure about the discussion over the other side. but i think we are talking about migrants here.
but i do think the children of the migrants(born there after migration or soemthing) do have the right to lobby for changes. after all they are real citizens of the country.
it's a dilemma.On one hand a mature society is measured by how it empowers its minorities, but that is also if the minorities do not try to destroy what allowed them in and gave them abode in the first place.
i highly disagree with migrants from Arab lands who migrate to a Western nation and demand that that nation change to suit them when they are but a small minority, and those clamouring for Shar'iah law are a even more highly politicised but significantly numerically lesser group. -
Same lor, you don't want to be hanged in singapore for trafficking drugs, then don't try it lor.
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if you dont even like the country u r migranting to, why bother to migrant.
go there to suffer, why nt just stay at the country or migrant to ones u like?
also that u have to learn their culture and language.
just in case if u do something which is disrespectful to their culture.
u might even get kill
as for language its a compulsory.
u haf to talk when u wanna buy something to eat or so rite.
u would not want to point here point there on the thing u wanna,
or asking what is the food written in the menu. -
In Malaysia, non bumi are considered "visitors", "migrants" as far as the governemt is concerned. You may be the 3rd, 4th generation of non bumi having born and stayed for the whole life in Malaysia, you are still considered "visitors", "migrants" and be treated as such. If you dare to question the pro bumi policies ("written" or "unwritten") you may have to serve time under ISA ("without trial").Originally posted by hisoka:not sure about the discussion over the other side. but i think we are talking about migrants here.
but i do think the children of the migrants(born there after migration or soemthing) do have the right to lobby for changes. after all they are real citizens of the country. -
wdh.Originally posted by PatrickLTH:In Malaysia, non bumi are considered "visitors", "migrants" as far as the governemt is concerned. You may be the 3rd, 4th generation of non bumi having born and stayed for the whole life in Malaysia, you are still considered "visitors", "migrants" and be treated as such. If you dare to question the pro bumi policies ("written" or "unwritten") you may have to serve time under ISA ("without trial"). -
so wads their culture? going around saying 'good day mate' or encouraging people to traffic drugs by not hanging them?
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huh?Originally posted by eClipseRain:wdh. -
heard people saying how bad australia is at tampines interchange while i was waiting for bus
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Maybe what australia can do is to set up Community centres to promote racial and religious harmony. Just copy singapore's model.
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before u play a game, u have to understand its rules first and agree to play by its rules.
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ysatul do u noe a guy by a nick of xrc in ur msn?Originally posted by ysatul:before u play a game, u have to understand its rules first and agree to play by its rules. -
I think it's fine to make your own rules.
But what the government has said, effectively, is that it doesn't want a multicultural society. It wants just one culture, the Australian culture. (Few people would know what this is exactly but they know it doesn't involve women wearing Burqas, Dragon dance and CNY, Deepavali, etc). The problem is newer migrants sometimes have trouble integrating with the majority white aussies, and prefer to stick to communities isolated from main society where they still practice their old ways. It's no different to how when Singaporean go overseas to study usually they prefer to mix with their own rather than the locals, because that's what they feel more comfortable with.
So this potentially creates some problems for those who are already here.
My brother was thinking about migrating to Australia after finishing his studies but after all this, isn't so sure he wants to live in a country where they are intolerant of people other than those who display "Aussie" traits.
In some ways Singapore is a more "free" society than in australia because of this . . . we don't have problems with the same people hanging around the little india area all day, because the typical image of a Singaporean is a truly multicultural one. -
LOL, this is the normal practise in most countries in the world. They promote culture integration to multi-culturism. At least Australia shows a bit of respect for the immigrants, things are much worse in the European countries.
Racism is just part of human nature. Which is sad. -
Wrong wrong wrong,Originally posted by arguspersicus:I think it's fine to make your own rules.
But what the government has said, effectively, is that it doesn't want a multicultural society. It wants just one culture, the Australian culture. (Few people would know what this is exactly but they know it doesn't involve women wearing Burqas, Dragon dance and CNY, Deepavali, etc). The problem is newer migrants sometimes have trouble integrating with the majority white aussies, and prefer to stick to communities isolated from main society where they still practice their old ways. It's no different to how when Singaporean go overseas to study usually they prefer to mix with their own rather than the locals, because that's what they feel more comfortable with.
So this potentially creates some problems for those who are already here.
My brother was thinking about migrating to Australia after finishing his studies but after all this, isn't so sure he wants to live in a country where they are intolerant of people other than those who display "Aussie" traits.
In some ways Singapore is a more "free" society than in australia because of this . . . we don't have problems with the same people hanging around the little india area all day, because the typical image of a Singaporean is a truly multicultural one.
They are not anti-multiculturalism, they are anti-ghettoism.Why move there if you want to remain in your old ways and refuse to embrace a new life?
If you do not preach hate and attempt to override national laws with your claim that religious laws are superior, nothing will happen to you.They are merely trying to protect their way of life from extremists.
If there is a sizeable number of people trying to do the same thing here, I'd be pretty pissed off too.Just to note, there are immigrants who refuse to integrate here too.
Very obvious.. -
As masters of the land, they have every right to do what they feel is best for them.
But i feel this one is targeted more particularly at muslims, maybe the slightly extremist group. -
Targeting extremists is alright, but they have to be careful that it doesn't spill over to the other extreme.Originally posted by NuLife:As masters of the land, they have every right to do what they feel is best for them.
But i feel this one is targeted more particularly at muslims, maybe the slightly extremist group.