Is Singapore a Chinese Country?
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In China, theres 56 races or something. 55 are minorities, standing at a mere 5-8% of the entire country's population. For a minority to get into a top university, for example, Beijing University, they just need to score 1/2 the marks of a Han race (majority) student
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Yeah and so I heard about it too.. But don't know much so can't make general comments leh..Originally posted by expiringpoet:Hi chenc,
Did you know that no malays were conscripted in the SAF between 1969 and 1973; at the same time regular Malay soldiers were removed from combat posts, ... and promotional prospects curtailed. Although limited conscription of Malays into the SAF recommenced in 1973, restrictions on their placement in certain Militarily critical areas persisted until today. This policies have drawn, over time, alot of criticisms and until now, the govt hasn't been able to provide a satisfactory explanation.
You can also, if you're interested, read more about the government's distrust and marginatlisation of malays by researching Dr Lily Zubaidah Rahim's book on "The Singapore Dilemma". Doubtless, it will shed more light into this rather complex issue of race in singapore.
But my views are, in a way, the Malays are more sensitive, why? Because most of us malays, when we see Singapore having conflicts with Malaysia, we tend to be defensive and have the idea that our presence are being compromised in a way, especially among the older malay generations here because some were from malaysia or had relatives there, and also we are the minority. Therefore, due to our close proximity with malaysia, there is an increased tendency to have more conflicts with them than other countries, hence increasing the uneasiness and uncomfortableness among the Malays, hence increasing the prospects of a rebellion by the malays as compared to the others. Wouldn't that be more riskier if we look in terms of the military area?
Trust? Yeah they can trust malays but there have to be limitations in the trust so as to prevent the worst from happening. It is a pre-emptive move to avoid facing such situations in future. If they don't trust us at all, then all malays no need go NS liao.
Because of not knowing these small unknown possible reasons, most malays will have the simple general idea that, "No malays in higher posts? Rascists." Then this idealism/mentality spreads around, handed down from generations to generations without even trying to find out the reasons behind it and all.
But bottom line, can't be blame, all human behaviour mah..
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govt has the power to help...either by making everyone learn mandarin...or get those chinese speaking only learn englishOriginally posted by chenc:So it is like this.
Though oppotunities for other races are greatly reduced, even the government has no power to stop this trend.
As majority of S,pore is make up of Chinese, of course many jobs will require Chinese speaking skills. The truth is, most service-type industries must take in Chinese speaker to stay competative and suit the market's needs. This can neither be fair nor unfair. Living in a society like this, one of a minority race has to accept the fact that equality is rare in society.
Back to your title of this thread. Yes, in some sort of ways it is. However, this does not mean racist. You got rejected because the employer has other needs to considered. But you are not being insulted because of your race. You can still walk around freely in Singapore no matter what race you are.
Thus, while Singapore is not racist, being a minority here has to accept the trend of the society and live life according to it. Life is unfair, it is up to you to make an exception. -
Yes, other race are given a choice. While by special requirements, you can opt out of 2nd Language if your mother tougue is given in the choice list, like korean.Originally posted by valentinoo:spore mother tougue language = malay mandarin tamil
malay have to learn malay, chinese learn mandarin, tamil learn tamil..other race can choose....
...is it??
However, all students in secondary school MUST have a 2nd language, no matter the race. My Korean friend got into the same school as me and now we are taking Japanese in MOE language centre together. While Japanese is 3rd Language for me, its 2nd language for him -
Originally posted by valentinoo:WTF u from Malaysia is it??
not happy wid ur country policy too?
i'm Singaporean just like you, brother.
but our small nation has no choice but to adopt these measures
because of what's done to this region by our surrounding neighbors Malaysia and Indonesia.
hope you understand and accept this for the greater good of regional peace in south-east asia.
otherwise we all go to war, lagi worse right or not? -
Yes, other race are given a choice. While by special requirements, you can opt out of 2nd Language in primary school, if your mother tougue is given in the choice list, like korean.Originally posted by valentinoo:spore mother tougue language = malay mandarin tamil
malay have to learn malay, chinese learn mandarin, tamil learn tamil..other race can choose.... ...is it??
However, all students in secondary school MUST have a 2nd language, no matter the race. My Korean friend got into the same school as me and now we are taking Japanese in MOE language centre together. While Japanese is 3rd Language for me, its 2nd language for him -
I believe, giving you the right to Choose will be better than trying to justify which language you should be learning.Originally posted by valentinoo:govt has the power to help...either by making everyone learn mandarin...or get those chinese speaking only learn english
You've made the right choice , coz its more difficult to type chinese characters on this keyboard. -
Some of my friends indian in race can take malay leh? Don't say Indian muslim cos in primary school I have non-malay, non-muslim friends who take malay leh? So how come mandarin cannot? Are you sure? Because I'm not sure but from my experience with my friends, a bit the conflict with your statement leh?Originally posted by expiringpoet:I read somewhere that MOE policy requires a student to take his Mother-Tongue language for 2nd language. Non-chinese cannot take Mandarin in school, even if he or she wants to. Or is it depends on the school hah? -
Eh can stop here? Continue tomorrow night? I don't wanna log in tomorrow night and have to catch up on 2-3 pages leh.. Hehe Kidding lah.. Good Night Everyone!
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i'm interested.Originally posted by chenc:In China, theres 56 races or something. 55 are minorities, standing at a mere 5-8% of the entire country's population. For a minority to get into a top university, for example, Beijing University, they just need to score 1/2 the marks of a Han race (majority) student
but can explain the significance of that? -
Either way, you might be happy, but others are not. Making everyone learn Chinese will cause some other race to protest that they have the right to pursue their mother tongue. Making all chinese learn only English will cause an uproar in the Chinese society.Originally posted by valentinoo:govt has the power to help...either by making everyone learn mandarin...or get those chinese speaking only learn english
However, MOE should give a choice to those who wanted to learn other 2nd language instead of their available mother tongue. In fact, there are such cases in Singapore. And MOE allows it to happen. But more people prefer their children to take their own mother tongue, since, other than the cultures, parents can also help them study at home. -
i thought malaysia ppl like to rob the singaporeans malay...Originally posted by dinky1409:Yeah and so I heard about it too.. But don't know much so can't make general comments leh..
But my views are, in a way, the Malays are more sensitive, why? Because most of us malays, when we see Singapore having conflicts with Malaysia, we tend to be defensive and have the idea that our presence are being compromised in a way, especially among the older malay generations here because some were from malaysia or had relatives there, and also we are the minority. Therefore, due to our close proximity with malaysia, there is an increased tendency to have more conflicts with them than other countries, hence increasing the uneasiness and uncomfortableness among the Malays, hence increasing the prospects of a rebellion by the malays as compared to the others. Wouldn't that be more riskier if we look in terms of the military area?
Trust? Yeah they can trust malays but there have to be limitations in the trust so as to prevent the worst from happening. It is a pre-emptive move to avoid facing such situations in future. If they don't trust us at all, then all malays no need go NS liao.
Because of not knowing these small unknown possible reasons, most malays will have the simple general idea that, "No malays in higher posts? Rascists." Then this idealism/mentality spreads around, handed down from generations to generations without even trying to find out the reasons behind it and all.
But bottom line, can't be blame, all human behaviour mah.. and steal their car...
neways by doin this the govt is just making the malay feel that they cant be trusted.....when they can actually try to make the malay more loyal to SG...by giving fair and equal opportunities to every body....maybe durin the 60,70s its different..now in 2000ss, most of the young malay r born here...their cousins families r all in SG....so maybe its time to trust the malay? coz of this kind of policies.. u generate "i have been discriminated" feeling among its citizen -
Only expect to get special treatments for minority race if the country's ratio of majority and minority is that extreme. Not in the case of Singapore. In Singapore, a choice is not given, and you have to follow the majorityOriginally posted by boy in blues:i'm interested.
but can explain the significance of that? -
see what makes u think that we can stop at 2 languages..make english and mandarin official...since its gonna affect ur career in da future..since majority r chinese....business dealings r in mandarin...as for mother tounge make it optional...Originally posted by chenc:Either way, you might be happy, but others are not. Making everyone learn Chinese will cause some other race to protest that they have the right to pursue their mother tongue. Making all chinese learn only English will cause an uproar in the Chinese society.
However, MOE should give a choice to those who wanted to learn other 2nd language instead of their available mother tongue. In fact, there are such cases in Singapore. And MOE allows it to happen. But more people prefer their children to take their own mother tongue, since, other than the cultures, parents can also help them study at home. -
By special requirement, you can choose to study another language for your mother tongue. This applies to All Primary and Secondary schools in SingaporeOriginally posted by dinky1409:Some of my friends indian in race can take malay leh? Don't say Indian muslim cos in primary school I have non-malay, non-muslim friends who take malay leh? So how come mandarin cannot? Are you sure? Because I'm not sure but from my experience with my friends, a bit the conflict with your statement leh? Or is it depends on the school hah? -
I have a feeling its due to Muslim organisations linked to (You know where) Organisations overseas which are also political.Originally posted by valentinoo:i thought malaysia ppl like to rob the singaporeans malay... and steal their car...
neways by doin this the govt is just making the malay feel that they cant be trusted.....when they can actually try to make the malay more loyal to SG...by giving fair and equal opportunities to every body....maybe durin the 60,70s its different..now in 2000ss, most of the young malay r born here...their cousins families r all in SG....so maybe its time to trust the malay? coz of this kind of policies.. u generate "i have been discriminated" feeling among its citizen
I heard this from a muslim colleague in which i was working with.
So Until they can wake up that we need to have equal Opportunities , then maybe they play their politics better and more accomodating to locals. But since when did you feel that locals are better looked after ? -
ok lah i also want to sleep..tmr still need to vote..
kanina chao chee bye...
i mean bye...
i can swear in chinese...everytime learn bad things... -
Of course you can take 3. But do you know how many percent of the whole PSLE cohort are allowed to take 3 Language subject? Top 1 - 5 % of the cohort.Originally posted by valentinoo:see what makes u think that we can stop at 2 languages..make english and mandarin official...since its gonna affect ur career in da future..since majority r chinese....business dealings r in mandarin...as for mother tounge make it optional...
Why is this so? Coz MOE no money? No. This is because most students, having 6 acadamic subject to juggle in Sec 1, cannot possibly take 3 Language Subjects. It is impossible to make all kids sit at home all day and only study. It is unhealthy. Most students find difficulties even with only 2 Language subjects.
Dun even think about letting Primary school students take 3 Languages. With only. Even if you make them study all the time, the result would only be that they managed to pass all subjects, each with a mere 50%. How does that help? -
its a multi racial country... jobs wan madarin cos the language is really needed... so wats the point u get a non mandarin speaker to handle mandarin speaking customers.... u need good communication to get business so u can communicate well with customers how u survive? since they put requirement then respect it... nothing wrong with it...Originally posted by valentinoo:Is Singapore a Chinese Country or multi racial ?
frankly speaking..i want to know what u chinese people my age...have to say bout jobs add which says mandarin speaking or chinese preferred?
Do u feel that its not fair ? or u guys dont really care...or u guys r ok wid it?
i also want to know wht do u feel if u see jobs ads which say only malay/indian prefered ? -
my all malaysian friends hate to learn malay language -
Originally posted by valentinoo:i thought malaysia ppl like to rob the singaporeans malay... and steal their car...
neways by doin this the govt is just making the malay feel that they cant be trusted.....when they can actually try to make the malay more loyal to SG...by giving fair and equal opportunities to every body....maybe durin the 60,70s its different..now in 2000ss, most of the young malay r born here...their cousins families r all in SG....so maybe its time to trust the malay? coz of this kind of policies.. u generate "i have been discriminated" feeling among its citizen
brother, i think they'd rob their own friends too if they're rich.
but seriously,
for military balance and sustained peace in south-east asia,
if Malaysia and Indonesia can start to trust their own coutrymen who are non-muslims,
only then can our small Singapore respond and trust our non-chinese.
this 1 is non-negotiable and cannot compromise 1,
if really want to solve,
malaysia and indonesia must both take the 1st step,
cannot start from singapore.
so can you tahan a while more?
wait for malaysia and indonesia to change system,
so we can also change to suit your needs.
or if you a bit more anxious, can tell malaysia and indonesia to hurry up.
don't make us wait so long.
or last resort,
try australia see whether they want to give you PR or not.
up to you which solution you think is easier.
our small country vulnerable and sandwiched in the middle of bigger malaysia and indonesia,
we no choice have to adapt in natural response to their system. -
Without chinese, singapore won't be as strong as today...
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I feel dissapoint if one day singapore is been rule by the malays.
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you will feel exactly like how valentinoo feels.Originally posted by Anti-RuleSS:I feel dissapoint if one day singapore is been rule by the malays.
because racism is in every country in the world.
the only difference is which race it favors and at whose expense.
that depends on the majority race (in the case of democracy and popularism),
or it can also depend on who's holding military power (in the case of dictatorship).
but military balance (and also that of geo-political and economic clout) must be maintained among the various countries in that region,
to ensure that 1 country does not miscalculate and invade the other.
but our small singapore must adapt in natural response to our bigger neighbors malaysia and indonesia.
certainly not the other way round.
so if i'm here, i don't feel discriminated.
but if i go malaysia or indonesia, i feel discriminated just like how valentinoo feels.
racism is all a matter of relativity,
of which race you are, and what is the majority race in that particular country. -
few years back got one malay parade commander for ndp who say no malays in higher posts?Originally posted by dinky1409:"No malays in higher posts? Rascists." Then this idealism/mentality spreads around, handed down from generations to generations without even trying to find out the reasons behind it and all.
But bottom line, can't be blame, all human behaviour mah..