Who is the creator of the universe?
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erm... CHIT CHAT? Not BAR?Originally posted by Devil1976:I truly DOUBT SO. For a universe SO BIG...?? I thought it should at least be a GANG BANG or something...?? <
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No one did.Originally posted by casino_king:So who created God?
As I have told you before, God exists out of this "realm".
He exists beyond any boundary of logic or science on this earth.
So imagine this: We are all living inside a fortified city, with walls surrounding it.
Within those walls are the philosophies of science, and logic, including the "eveything must have a beggining" theory. Including the "cause and effect" theory too.
God is like the giant who resides outside the city and built it.
Or a better analogy would be that we are a computer program that God made. In the program he wrote the computer script and developed it. He programmed the software in such a way that things would happen like how they are now and that is what we now call SCIENCE. -
So God built the "fortified city" and the "computer script and developed it." Who built God and wrote the God script?Originally posted by gr2012:No one did.
As I have told you before, God exists out of this "realm".
He exists beyond any boundary of logic or science on this earth.
So imagine this: We are all living inside a fortified city, with walls surrounding it.
Within those walls are the philosophies of science, and logic, including the "eveything must have a beggining" theory. Including the "cause and effect" theory too.
God is like the giant who resides outside the city and built it.
Or a better analogy would be that we are a computer program that God made. In the program he wrote the computer script and developed it. He programmed the software in such a way that things would happen like how they are now and that is what we now call SCIENCE. -
No one. Like I said, no one.Originally posted by casino_king:So God built the "fortified city" and the "computer script and developed it." Who built God and wrote the God script? -
Then how did God come into existence?Originally posted by gr2012:No one. Like I said, no one. -
He was there all along.
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If God can be "there all along" why can't the universe be "there all along?"Originally posted by gr2012:He was there all along. -
Cos he made it that way.
This is fun. -
the universe is here all along, nobody created it.
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Made what that way?Originally posted by gr2012:Cos he made it that way. This is fun. -
this explains everything.
http://hinduwebsite.com/buddhism/buddhaongod.asp
1. If God is indeed the creator of all living things, then all things here should submit to His power unquestioningly. Like the vessels produced by a potter, they should remain without any individuality of their own. If that is so, how can there be an opportunity for any one to practice virtue?
2. If this world is indeed created by God, then there should be no sorrow or calamity or evil in this world, for all deeds, both pure and impure, must come from Him.
3. If it is not so, then there must be some other cause besides God which is behind Him, in which case He would not be self-existent.
4. It is not convincing that the Absolute has created us, because that which is absolute cannot be a cause. All things here arise from different causes. Then can we can say that the Absolute is the cause of all things alike? If the Absolute is pervading them, then certainly It is not their creator.
5. If we consider the Self as the maker, why did it not make things pleasant? Why and how should it create so much sorrow and suffering for itself?
6. It is neither God nor the self nor some causeless chance which creates us. It is our our deeds which produce both good and bad results according to the law of causation.
7. We should therefore "abandon the heresy of worshipping God and of praying to him. We should stops all speculation and vain talk about such matters and practice good so that good may result from our good deeds. -
"It is neither God nor the self nor some causeless chance which creates us."Originally posted by OldMan:
Then how did we come about? -
http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma3/budgod.htmlOriginally posted by casino_king:"It is neither God nor the self nor some causeless chance which creates us."
Then how did we come about?
When the Buddha was asked how the world started, he kept silent. In the religion of Buddhism we donÂ’t have a first cause, instead we have a never ending circle of birth and death. In this world and in all worlds, there are many beginnings and ends. The model of life used in Buddhism has no starting place... It just keeps going and going. -
One thing to note: There cannot be LOVE and PEACE without HATE and WAR.
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This question, calls to mind the image of a snake, swallowing its own tail.
NO ONE, can answer this question. -
Issit?Originally posted by gr2012:One thing to note: There cannot be LOVE and PEACE without HATE and WAR.
I am sorry that you hold such ideas -
So how is this relevant to the discussion?Originally posted by gr2012:One thing to note: There cannot be LOVE and PEACE without HATE and WAR. -
Originally posted by ShutterBug:This question, calls to mind the image of a snake, swallowing its own tail.
NO ONE, can answer this question.Originally posted by OldMan:
So let's assume that that is what Buddha meant because he kept silent.
Theory Number One: "When the Buddha was asked how the world started, he kept silent. In the religion of Buddhism we donÂ’t have a first cause, instead we have a never ending circle of birth and death. In this world and in all worlds, there are many beginnings and ends. The model of life used in Buddhism has no starting place... It just keeps going and going."
The model is: There is no begining and no end? So what experiments had been done and or what observations and or what mathematical model had been devised to show this?
So how do you account for the Big Bang Theory where observing the expansion of the known universe would suggest that it all started at a single point in space and time? -
For everything there must be a beginning. This also apply to the creation of the universe. We won't truely know who the Creator or none unless we die and return to the state of origin if there is one.The thing is, if we return to the state of origin, would we even know that? Same like when we come from an origin, we wouldn't know that too. But of course, how do some of us get this idea that we came from an origin in the first place if we wouldn't know we came from it. It could be from theories or intelligent guesses or something else..
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The logic of the beggining and the end does not apply to God. He created the logic, and so you cannot use that same logic to define him. He is outside of the logic, get it?
He is outside this realm of understanding which we are in and that he created. -
No need to explain why you type... we are all typing if you didn't notice...Originally posted by DeepSpace:For everything there must be a beginning. This also apply to the creation of the universe. We won't truely know who the Creator or none unless we die and return to the state of origin if there is one.The thing is, if we return to the state of origin, would we even know that? Same like when we come from an origin, we wouldn't know that too. But if we are not suppose to know whether we came from an origin or not, why am i typing this? Of course, these are just theories and intelligent guesses.
If you say that you don't know and even if you die you might not know, can you live with that? many cannot and they have a "God shape hole in their heart." Do you? -
So what does?Originally posted by gr2012:The logic of the beggining and the end does not apply to God. He created the logic, and so you cannot use that same logic to define him. He is outside of the logic, get it?
He is outside this realm of understanding which we are in and that he created. -
This thread seems to be trying very hard to revive the interests in certain religions because their people have lost their interests in them
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Maybe it too complicated for us humans to fully understand it?
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