How Recognized R Foreign Universities Here in Singapore?
-
Hmm.. just wanna know how recognized are they here in Singapore cos i'm now applying for a few foreign unis to study here locally.
the uni for my mass comm courses are -
* uni of Newcastle
* uni of Southern Queensland
the uni for my SIM communication studies course is -
* uni of Buffalo from state of New York
the uni for psychology and humanities course is -
* uni of Monash
Erm.. not sure if any one of these degrees are accepted when it comes to finding a job.
i need help. anyone?
-
monash yes, the rest..not sure.
-
actually does not matter
it's whether ur potential employer bother or not -
Agree!.. It's not always about the qualifications.Originally posted by FireIce:actually does not matter
it's whether ur potential employer bother or not -
Which Newcastle? The 'un in England or in Australia.
-
Gahmen job give higher pay to spore uni xecpt 4 uni league lah
-
is it base on grades also?Originally posted by FireIce:actually does not matter
it's whether ur potential employer bother or not
and do employers look at grades when hiring a degree holder? -
Not all Monash are good. have to see campus 1.
If U don't have experience in that area, they can only filter ppl by their grades and Uni they graduated. -
That's true.Originally posted by Wega007:Not all Monash are good. have to see campus 1.
If U don't have experience in that area, they can only filter ppl by their grades and Uni they graduated. -
unless its harvard, oxford, cambridge, imperial, MIT.. those super top unis, if not generally deg offered by unis in uk, aust and us are normally accepted here. esp those that have deg offered in local pte unis.
but do take this in mind, overseas uni are alws seen as one lvl down to those of local. example, if u are a first class honours in foreign uni, u become a bachelor in sg.
and generally, government bodies dont prefer deg from foreign unis -
if govt prefer foreign deg ,den dey can close NUSOriginally posted by alan-:unless its harvard, oxford, cambridge, imperial, MIT.. those super top unis, if not generally deg offered by unis in uk, aust and us are normally accepted here. esp those that have deg offered in local pte unis.
but do take this in mind, overseas uni are alws seen as one lvl down to those of local. example, if u are a first class honours in foreign uni, u become a bachelor in sg.
and generally, government bodies dont prefer deg from foreign unis -
surprising considered to what weight a singapore degree carries outside our shores and what they actually achieve.Originally posted by alan-:unless its harvard, oxford, cambridge, imperial, MIT.. those super top unis, if not generally deg offered by unis in uk, aust and us are normally accepted here. esp those that have deg offered in local pte unis.
but do take this in mind, overseas uni are alws seen as one lvl down to those of local. example, if u are a first class honours in foreign uni, u become a bachelor in sg.
and generally, government bodies dont prefer deg from foreign unis -
well...we cant expect the govt to place more emphasis on overseas uni...if not nobody wants to go local uni then how to dig money to bring in world class people to talk to us in languages that we barely understand?Originally posted by Chelzea:if govt prefer foreign deg ,den dey can close NUS -
As I said before wanna get spore degree best to stay in spore work and slog for the spore gahment. Once you are out of spore, your degree is worth not much at all. So for local Uni ppl, best to work in spore as it is more recognisedOriginally posted by vito_corleone:surprising considered to what weight a singapore degree carries outside our shores and what they actually achieve. -
kinda true if your US degree is not from a top 20 Uni in USA
or top 3 in UK. Gov sector prefer Local degree, however that is not true for Education sector.
Another thing is HR dept only know School brand.. UCLA not top 20 however if U grad from there, high demand in SG, even for Gov sector.
If U grad from Brown Uni, I bet U can find ppl that laugh at it and say U sure Brown? not Black? never heard of it must be bad..
Hmm... even if U grad from a top 10 Uni in UK or top 50 Uni in USA, U want to work in Gov Sector? starting $$ might be good by annual increment slow as snail! Might as well go pte sector.
I agree to the arguement, Gov prefer Local Uni as they have invested so much into local Uni. -
there is NO OFFICIAL RANKING for colleges in the USA, because there is NO COMMON BASIS on which to rank the schools. USC offers film studies, harvard doesnt, uc berkeley offers business for undergraduate studies, stanford doesnt, how to rank?
-
Let me just shed some light on what is the widely perceived notion of the so-called "top" foreign universities as far as job prospect goes in the really competitive markets(speaking with a global perspective more than one exclusive to Singapore here) as I graduated from one in the US myself.
Put it this way, taking the US market as an example, employers don't really rank potential job applicants the way you'd normally associate the term "ranking" with in the Singapore context. Case in point : I had 2 friends from my course(graduated with different standing for the same major) who applied to two seperate jobs and yet, the one with the lower standing is doing much better(from every aspect imaginable from pay to renumeration to job satisfaction - and I mean there is actually quite a substantial difference in each of those aspects) in life.
Clearly, if you took a cosmopolitan outlook and are talking about looking for jobs with the big firms/MNCs, your degree is essentially nothing more than a lottery ticket(amongst you lot of applicants who are similarly outstanding in your academic achievements) - there's a host of other factors that will ultimately determine whether you get the job and how far/fast you'll be progressing in your career. Basically, it's the personal qualities that will make a difference in these instances and it's certainly fallacious to believe that someone who graduates with Masters from MIT will definitely do better than another bloke who gets a first class Honours from UC Berkeley, for instance.
I believe that policy/culture is widely applicable to the reputable international firms in Singapore anyway - I can't comment for the civil service as I have never been involved with them in the remotest way. -
Actually, there're bodies that rank colleges based on departments/faculties - that said, rankings are still certainly not taken as seriously and on as obssessive a basis as you see in Singapore...Originally posted by vito_corleone:there is NO OFFICIAL RANKING for colleges in the USA, because there is NO COMMON BASIS on which to rank the schools. USC offers film studies, harvard doesnt, uc berkeley offers business for undergraduate studies, stanford doesnt, how to rank?
More importantly, those rankings have little bearing on the people that matter anyway - students know which are the good colleges and employers know where to go to look for talents. Basically, the supply-and-demand cycle in existence would, on its own, already fuel a culture that doesn't need any tangible certification to verify the credibility of the institutions.
-
well ... there are more than 2000 universities in the US for instance, your standard aunties and ah mahs will probably only know the standard harvard and stanford and not much else .... ditto for some myopic local companies I suppose .... (and perhaps, some smug local grads ? ) ... but yes you're right, international companies do value international companies more, though I suspect it's simply because their exposure to western societies would better enable them to understand and fit into the corporate culture ? ....Originally posted by walesa:Let me just shed some light on what is the widely perceived notion of the so-called "top" foreign universities as far as job prospect goes in the really competitive markets(speaking with a global perspective more than one exclusive to Singapore here) as I graduated from one in the US myself.
Put it this way, taking the US market as an example, employers don't really rank potential job applicants the way you'd normally associate the term "ranking" with in the Singapore context. Case in point : I had 2 friends from my course(graduated with different standing for the same major) who applied to two seperate jobs and yet, the one with the lower standing is doing much better(from every aspect imaginable from pay to renumeration to job satisfaction - and I mean there is actually quite a substantial difference in each of those aspects) in life.
Clearly, if you took a cosmopolitan outlook and are talking about looking for jobs with the big firms/MNCs, your degree is essentially nothing more than a lottery ticket(amongst you lot of applicants who are similarly outstanding in your academic achievements) - there's a host of other factors that will ultimately determine whether you get the job and how far/fast you'll be progressing in your career. Basically, it's the personal qualities that will make a difference in these instances and it's certainly fallacious to believe that someone who graduates with Masters from MIT will definitely do better than another bloke who gets a first class Honours from UC Berkeley, for instance.
I believe that policy/culture is widely applicable to the reputable international firms in Singapore anyway - I can't comment for the civil service as I have never been involved with them in the remotest way.
and of course, while it's certainly true that lots of people who CMI to local unis took up the overseas option, there are plenty of people who actually got their places in local unis, but chose to head overseas for a different experience .... but oh well, if one is the sort that thinks any sort of foreign degrees from any place other than harvard or MIT is useless, then what's said here doesn't matter anyways ... -
kaplan publishes a guide that sorts out how diff schools fare in diff areas. very true, you don't need to be from a "good" college, a small, relatively lesser-known college can produce students that go on to do just as well as students from other "top schools" so long as the teaching staff and the school are good at what they do and impart valuable knowledge. also, smaller colleges tend to have a smaller student to teacher ratio giving students more attention and a more personalised touch as compared to the large lectures that go on in the bigger collegesOriginally posted by walesa:Actually, there're bodies that rank colleges based on departments/faculties - that said, rankings are still certainly not taken as seriously and on as obssessive a basis as you see in Singapore...
More importantly, those rankings have little bearing on the people that matter anyway - students know which are the good colleges and employers know where to go to look for talents. Basically, the supply-and-demand cycle in existence would, on its own, already fuel a culture that doesn't need any tangible certification to verify the credibility of the institutions. -
Most degrees are recognised except those McDonalds University or Motorola University.
-
Hmm... there are 3600 Uni in USA.
Most are recongnize? U sure or not!
should be most are not recongnize!!! since only a few hundreds are ranked.
For your info if U grad from teir 4 Uni (small student to Prof ratio).. many Singaporeans don't know.. I had friend grad from there.. took him 1.5yrs to find a FULL TIME IT JOB!
if no one give U a chance, no matter how good.. it just go to waste.. -
indeed, they can only ranked base on a whole picture..Originally posted by vito_corleone:there is NO OFFICIAL RANKING for colleges in the USA, because there is NO COMMON BASIS on which to rank the schools. USC offers film studies, harvard doesnt, uc berkeley offers business for undergraduate studies, stanford doesnt, how to rank?
Singaporean crazy about ranking.. (so call brand marketing)
eg Yale is not that good in Sci, but if U grad from there.. ppl think wow.. must be damn good!
U can F care but end of the day U want to work soon.. so U need to care to a certain degree.
I have seen ppl writing on their resume, my Uni is ranked XXX in what ranking system. it seem to be getting popular. why? Singaporean love it! -
U think Ang Mo not KS? Read this!
-----------
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/060730/7qa.htm
Yale graduate Alexandra Robbins knows a thing or two about driven students. For starters, she says she was one. Her new book, The Overachievers (Hyperion), follows a group of students from her alma mater, Walt Whitman High School in Bethesda, Md., as they apply to college. They are competing for a prized slot in a freshman class, a race for what they see as the universal measure of their success, at a time in their lives when image means everything.
Has education always been this competitive?
Simply put, there are more high school students, and they are applying in far greater numbers to the same amount of schools. The idea is that in order to win you must go to an elite college--to some people that means it's necessary to go to an elite high school, grade school, even preschool. ... Education is no longer about a learning experience; it's a game of Survivor where kids are strategizing to work against each other and beat the system.
But most students don't at tend top schools. Do we have a nation of profoundly disappointed graduates?
We have a myth. It's a myth that enrolling in an "elite" college guarantees success. There are ample studies to show that your undergraduate college doesn't affect your average salary or whether you'll be a CEO.
What does it mean for high schoolers?
One of the students I followed turned to cutting and burning himself. More than one turned to drinking. (And they sound very much like adults when they'd say, "I just need a drink to wind down after a stressful day.") Many said they were depressed, and three of my main characters talked about having suicidal thoughts. I also think that the cheating rate among high school students has something to do with the pressure they're under.
What is a defeat for these kids?
Sadly, in some cases, it's an A minus.
How widespread is this?
A lot more than I thought. It's a trickledown problem where the behavior of the top students impacts everyone else. The sad thing is that there is no middle ground anymore. Either you are a high achiever, or you're below average.
In what ways has this competitiveness changed school?
School is no longer about the love of learning. It's become a Machiavellian exercise where students and parents feel they have to do whatever is necessary to get an edge. It's a system that turns students into little more than their test scores.
Was school ever really about the "love of learning"?
When I graduated from high school in 1994, we could take classes for enjoyment and not worry about how it would look on a transcript. Today, many kids can't take classes like music, photography, journalism, or yearbook because they fear they will fall behind in class rank.
Are their goals to actually become professionals or just to get into a college that will allow them to do that?
It is just the undergraduate college that they are fixated on. So many students are focused on college because of that period at the end of junior year and the beginning of senior year when they are all asked by their parents' friends: Where are you applying? No one wants to explain a school on their list that no one has heard of. -
Why this question keeps on popping up now and then.
THERE ARE NO SUCH THINGS AS RECOGNISED or UN-RECOGNISED UNI.
In the private sector, it is really up to the potential employer or the Human Resources Manager to see if your Uni degree meet their requirements.
If you intend to work for the Government, every Ministry have their own list of Universities that they will accept as part of the requirements. But most of this lists are compiled from Public Service Commission.
If you intend to work as a professional, you have to check with the professional bodies to see if the university is recognised.
But there is no such thing as "commonly" recognised or unrecognised university list going aroudn for you to check if your uni is recognised.