Is it so bad not to want your son or daughter to be gay?
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Personally, I could care less about the "Homosexual" with regards to individuals. If you want to bat for the same team, its your life.
However, what I dislike about the Gay-Lesbian-Transgender movement is that they not only desire acceptance, they want to promote their lifestyle. 30 years ago, it was a social stigmata to be labeled as a homosexual, now not only do we accept it socially, the US embrace it at every level. A remarkable achievement by the PR team of the Gay movement. Now it has reached the point where it is trendy to announce oneself as a homosexual.
We have "politically correct" activist who come down and hold speeches and workshops. Its not just enough for us to peacefully get along together, no we have to actively monitor our friends, relatives, and childrens, and at the first sign of gender confusion, preach the joys of homosexuality.
I was shocked that the same group involved in outreach to our university was also holding workshops for lower grade students (12 yrs old). Their message was that if they ever felt something for someone that is of the same sex, they're gay and they should be proud of it. 12 years old. 12 friggin years old. Give them a few years for pete's sake to make such a life-altering decision.
I understand that Homosexuals go through a lot of soul searching and much anxiety before coming out, but please don't just fall simply to the media outpour on how homosexuality is the higher moral ground.
I say, let live and let's get along, but don't sprout me the crap that I'm a homophobe if I honestly say I'd rather my son or daughter weren't gay or lesbian. Life is hard enough without adding extra obstacles to your life. -
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bottom line gay/lesbian/homo sucks
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My point isn't that being gay is disgusting, wrong, or any of those extreme adjectives, but rather that it seems strange to suddenly embrace and popularize it.Originally posted by bksianzz:bottom line gay/lesbian/homo sucks
I feel alot of people who have had certain confusions (for some its a phase of their life), pushed to an extreme because the media culture has completely capitulated to the demands of the gay community.
Whoever doesn't stand up tall and sing the praises of homosexuality is automatically branded as a bigot. The father who is concerned about his son playing with dolls and gives him a baseball, is he a gay basher?
How is the vitriol hurled against those with legitimate medical and scientific concerns over the origins of homosexuality that disagree with the current opinion any different from the initial blind prejudice that existed towards this style of living?
Its easy to roll eyes and just dismiss a topic, but its a little harder to coherently make an argument and present your viewpoint, even if it may not be popular or 100% certain. -
well said
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indeed, i feel that certain people are just taking it as a trend, and trying to be different from others because of their insecurities.Originally posted by kivichio:My point isn't that being gay is disgusting, wrong, or any of those extreme adjectives, but rather that it seems strange to suddenly embrace and popularize it.
I feel alot of people who have had certain confusions (for some its a phase of their life), pushed to an extreme because the media culture has completely capitulated to the demands of the gay community.
Whoever doesn't stand up tall and sing the praises of homosexuality is automatically branded as a bigot. The father who is concerned about his son playing with dolls and gives him a baseball, is he a gay basher?
How is the vitriol hurled against those with legitimate medical and scientific concerns over the origins of homosexuality that disagree with the current opinion any different from the initial blind prejudice that existed towards this style of living?
Its easy to roll eyes and just dismiss a topic, but its a little harder to coherently make an argument and present your viewpoint, even if it may not be popular or 100% certain. -
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every1 wanna be special...
but if 2 many jump or are pushed onto the bandwagon, it turns into a city train, or it breaks under the load...
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I do meet quite a few of them at work, and I think you're right that some of them think it is a trendy thing. Some are even "bi" as it trying things out coz it's the trendy thing to do(?), or they're just trying to be different or to stand out in the wrong way.Originally posted by coffeeortea:indeed, i feel that certain people are just taking it as a trend, and trying to be different from others because of their insecurities. -
I bet you 5 peanuts Heng@ is gonna come in here and comment/flame/diss in this thread
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I started this topic befpre
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=160170
iveco even threatens me with Sedition Act. LoL
Its true that Heng@ will be here. He will defend for himself -
Heng@ is a he? Hmmm.....but heng@ always say is a "she" leh.....Originally posted by hoolala:I started this topic befpre
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=160170
iveco even threatens me with Sedition Act. LoL
Its true that Heng@ will be here. He will defend for himself -
I'm sorry, but I just want to point out fundamental differences between our arguments. You are making a moral judgement against homosexuality. That is not my intent. I have a few friends who are gay, and while I don't believe in their lifestyle, I don't see what is wrong in their own personal choice regarding their lifestyle options.Originally posted by hoolala:I started this topic befpre
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=160170
iveco even threatens me with Sedition Act. LoL
Its true that Heng@ will be here. He will defend for himself
What I do have a problem with is when homosexuality is given a righteous glow both by the media and the intelligentsia, who claim that not only is being gay acceptable, it is to be promoted. Facing reality, homosexuality still draws alot of prejudice in certain quarters, regardless of the matyr like status it appeals to the liberals, and that I think that should be reexamined. -
funny...this thread heng@ never reply....
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well, the fact is, if they are gay, would u want them to live their entire life in denial, always feeling like they're trying to be someone they are not?Originally posted by kivichio:Personally, I could care less about the "Homosexual" with regards to individuals. If you want to bat for the same team, its your life.
However, what I dislike about the Gay-Lesbian-Transgender movement is that they not only desire acceptance, they want to promote their lifestyle. 30 years ago, it was a social stigmata to be labeled as a homosexual, now not only do we accept it socially, the US embrace it at every level. A remarkable achievement by the PR team of the Gay movement. Now it has reached the point where it is trendy to announce oneself as a homosexual.
We have "politically correct" activist who come down and hold speeches and workshops. Its not just enough for us to peacefully get along together, no we have to actively monitor our friends, relatives, and childrens, and at the first sign of gender confusion, preach the joys of homosexuality.
I was shocked that the same group involved in outreach to our university was also holding workshops for lower grade students (12 yrs old). Their message was that if they ever felt something for someone that is of the same sex, they're gay and they should be proud of it. 12 years old. 12 friggin years old. Give them a few years for pete's sake to make such a life-altering decision.
I understand that Homosexuals go through a lot of soul searching and much anxiety before coming out, but please don't just fall simply to the media outpour on how homosexuality is the higher moral ground.
I say, let live and let's get along, but don't sprout me the crap that I'm a homophobe if I honestly say I'd rather my son or daughter weren't gay or lesbian. Life is hard enough without adding extra obstacles to your life.
the truth is, homosexuality is not the higher moral ground. there is no higher moral ground in sexuality. u are what u are. it is not the lifestyle that is being promoted, but the acceptance of one's sexuality that is being promoted. if this involves campaigning for social change, then so be it. Afterall, the same thing happened for racism, and it took us a very long time to get the racism issue to the state it is today. I'm sure 10-20 years ago, there were parents saying "I would rather not have my son/daughter going out with a white/black/asian/oriental" but now we look back at those people and laugh at how uninformed they were. Why can't we see that some of us are guilty of being uninformed about another similiar issue once again?
The truth is, sharing such awareness with younger people means they will be able to start thinking about who they are earlier. The less time lost living as someone they are not, the faster they come to realise who they are, the better isn't it? Its not like if they think about it, they automatically are gay. I'd be as glad to hear a kid seriously think about it and discover that he is straight a much as I would a kid discovering he is gay. It doesn't matter what your sexuality is. Its how early u can discover yourself, come to terms with it, and loss less of your life spent being lost.
It might seem like people are preaching homosexuality to you, but to be honest, don't u think that's silly? Straight people have as much fun as gay people. Why would anyone be attracted to a gay lifestyle if u're not gay? Can u imagine having to get intimate with a gender that u absolutely am not attracted to? I can't. So if u're not attracted to say, the same gender, then u wouldn't live a gay lifestyle. So that leaves the problem of those who do have some attraction to the same gender. What then? Well there must be some degree of homosexuality in that person. How much, is an entirely different matter altogether. But even for many people who self-proclaim to be straight, I do not believe they're 100% straight either. More simply, they just have a bigger preference for the opposite sex.
Finally, I would like to point out to u that preaching homosexuality to someone with gender confusion is pretty pointless. A gay man is happy to be a male. It has nothing to do with their preference for another male. Gender confusion has more to do with one's personal gender, and preaching homosexuality to a boy who feels he's really a girl trapped inside, is just not going to work very well. Afterall, part of being a homosexual male is to BE male. I can't see a transgendered girl taking that very well. -
cut and paste.Originally posted by kivichio:Personally, I could care less about the "Homosexual" with regards to individuals. If you want to bat for the same team, its your life.
However, what I dislike about the Gay-Lesbian-Transgender movement is that they not only desire acceptance, they want to promote their lifestyle. 30 years ago, it was a social stigmata to be labeled as a homosexual, now not only do we accept it socially, the US embrace it at every level. A remarkable achievement by the PR team of the Gay movement. Now it has reached the point where it is trendy to announce oneself as a homosexual.
We have "politically correct" activist who come down and hold speeches and workshops. Its not just enough for us to peacefully get along together, no we have to actively monitor our friends, relatives, and childrens, and at the first sign of gender confusion, preach the joys of homosexuality.
I was shocked that the same group involved in outreach to our university was also holding workshops for lower grade students (12 yrs old). Their message was that if they ever felt something for someone that is of the same sex, they're gay and they should be proud of it. 12 years old. 12 friggin years old. Give them a few years for pete's sake to make such a life-altering decision.
I understand that Homosexuals go through a lot of soul searching and much anxiety before coming out, but please don't just fall simply to the media outpour on how homosexuality is the higher moral ground.
I say, let live and let's get along, but don't sprout me the crap that I'm a homophobe if I honestly say I'd rather my son or daughter weren't gay or lesbian. Life is hard enough without adding extra obstacles to your life. -
I would say, the reason for an extreme gay culture to even exist, is due to the existance of an anti-gay social lobby. If people treated being gay as no more of an issue than say, being oriental, then there wouldn't be an extreme gay lobby. Sure there would be some gay cultural showcast, just like we have chinese culture showcasts, but thats part of belonging to a certain culture isn't it?Originally posted by kivichio:My point isn't that being gay is disgusting, wrong, or any of those extreme adjectives, but rather that it seems strange to suddenly embrace and popularize it.
I feel alot of people who have had certain confusions (for some its a phase of their life), pushed to an extreme because the media culture has completely capitulated to the demands of the gay community.
Whoever doesn't stand up tall and sing the praises of homosexuality is automatically branded as a bigot. The father who is concerned about his son playing with dolls and gives him a baseball, is he a gay basher?
How is the vitriol hurled against those with legitimate medical and scientific concerns over the origins of homosexuality that disagree with the current opinion any different from the initial blind prejudice that existed towards this style of living?
Its easy to roll eyes and just dismiss a topic, but its a little harder to coherently make an argument and present your viewpoint, even if it may not be popular or 100% certain.
the point is, often people who are labelled a bigot, are labelled a bigot not because they don't stand up n sing praises about homosexualty. They're labelled thus because they do not make an effort to understand the true nature of homosexuality in humans, in nature, and in a social context. They just want to think that anyone who is homosexual is a freak of nature. And yes that would extend to that father who is worried about his son playing with dolls. 1stly, in this case, I would think the father should really be worried about transgenderism in his son, but assuming he is worried his son is gay, I will have to ask: Why?
is it because he has been socially conditioned to think it is "wrong" to be gay somehow? if thats the case, then he is not making the effort to understand the nature of homosexuality, and yes he is a bigot. Is he just worried about the social discrimination his son would face? this is a harder case to quantify. Wanting to protect one's offspring is a natural thing as well, granted. But u cannot force someone to live a lie just to protect him or her. If u force your child to be straight because u want to protect him from society, then u'll have failed, because your child has still become a victim of society, only execpt that instead of being directly victimized by society, he or she is now victimized by society thru YOU, someone close to them whom they love. Isn't that more hurtful? If a parent were concerned about the social prejudices their child would face, wouldn't it be better for them to stand beside them and support their child thru it all, instead of bending over backwards, and HELPING society ostracise their own kid? How do u think a child feels when the persons closest to them do not understand them, and lends a hand in society's victimization of them? -
for the rest of the people who don't like me simply because i fight against discrimination, all i can say is, too bad. just look at u, assuming im gay or whatever just because i speak up against homophobia. OR worse, some people like laoda99 who keep assuming my gender because some people who DON'T KNOW me simply assign me a generic pronoun. brainless, isn't it?
at least with kivichio, he has relevant and valid points of reasoning that is worth debating and addressing.
also, i wanna ask, are u one of the 80%? -
actually, i do feel people who aren't gay or bi, are being foolish in trying to "live the life". My "one shouldn't live a lie" theory applies to everyone, whether they're straight or gay. Why try to be something they're not? what sort of happiness do they hope to gain? The problem is, for some people, acceptance of all sexuality is a trend for them. Its like white people who try to be 'black' just because its cool isn't it?Originally posted by Wanda:I do meet quite a few of them at work, and I think you're right that some of them think it is a trendy thing. Some are even "bi" as it trying things out coz it's the trendy thing to do(?), or they're just trying to be different or to stand out in the wrong way.
bottomline is, if u're straight, be straight. if u're gay, be gay. if u're white, be white, if u're black, be black. thats the way life's meant to be lived.