The Arising of New SPIRITUALITY in All Religions
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Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:
[b]wow... this topic in two forums...
this would never happen if the topic was started by Christians....
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cross posting lah deh...Originally posted by laoda99: -
so cross poster = non christians
woah
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that is not what im trying to say. what im trying to say is that christian topics at chit chat always get banned or flamed quickly.Originally posted by laurence82:so cross poster = non christians
woah
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OUR INHERITED DYSFUNCTION (partial)
If we look more deeply into humanity’s ancient religions and spiritual traditions, we will find that underneath many surface differences there are two core insights most of them agree on. The words they use to describe those insights differ, yet they all point to a twofold fundamental truth. The first part of this truth is that the “normal” state of mind of most human beings contains a strong element of what we might call dysfunction or even madness. Certain teachings at the heart of Hinduism perhaps come closest to seeing this dysfunction as a form of collective mental illness. They call it maya, the veil of delusion. Ramana Maharshi, one of the greatest Indian sages, bluntly states: “The mind is maya.”
Buddhism uses different terms. According to the Buddha, the human mind in its normal state generates dukkha, which can be translated as suffering, unsatisfactoriness, or just plain misery. He sees it as a characteristic of the human condition. Wherever you go, whatever you do, says the Buddha, you will encounter dukkha, and it will manifest in every situation sooner or later.
According to Christian teachings, the normal collective state of humanity is one of “original sin.” Sin is a word that has been greatly misunderstood and misinterpreted. Literally translated from the ancient Greek in which the New Testament was written, to sin means to miss the mark, as an archer who misses the target, so to sin means to miss the point of human existence. It means to live unskilfully, blindly, and thus to suffer and cause suffering. Again, the term, stripped of its cultural baggage and misinterpretations, points to the dysfunction inherent in the human condition……. -
macross, i am not surprisedOriginally posted by SingaporeMacross:that is not what im trying to say. what im trying to say is that christian topics at chit chat always get banned or flamed quickly.
this is sgforums, and this subforum is chit chat
you been here long, this forum is crawling with monkeys
we are lucky most of these monkeys are kept here and not pollute our own forums -
to be fair to some1 i mus say tt the thread starter is spamming.
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Thanks man. Really a boost to our faiths, seeing that all the religions are connected. Who knows? Muhammad(sp), Buddha and Jesus might have been sent from the same God!
This reminds us never to show contempt for another's religion; instead, accept it as another individual's belief, or better yet, learn more about it and then make your own decision.
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In the end all will still have to admit that there is this ultimate truth out there (cruel or not) that we need to appeal to.
In that case it would so turn out that not all religons are the same or equal, as tempting as that notion might be. -
I'm not spamming here, I'm spamming in my own forum, since what I did is to link a seperate forum, Chit Chat, in the thread in my own forum.Originally posted by skeujin:to be fair to some1 i mus say tt the thread starter is spamming.
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If one sees the essence of spirituality, then all other differences are surface differences.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:In the end all will still have to admit that there is this ultimate truth out there (cruel or not) that we need to appeal to.
In that case it would so turn out that not all religons are the same or equal, as tempting as that notion might be.
However, we must of course know that there is a difference between Religion and Spirituality, although it is possible for spirituality to rise in religions.
...The new spirituality, the transformation of consciousness, is arising to a large extent outside the structures of the existing institutionalised religions. They were always pockets of spirituality even in mind-dominated religions, although the institutionalised hierarchies felt threatened by them and often tried to suppress them. A large-scale opening of spirituality outside of religious structures is an entirely new development. In the past, this would have been inconceivable, especially in the West, the most mind-dominated of all cultures, where the Christian church had a virtual franchise on spirituality. You couldnÂ’t just stand up and give a spiritual talk or publish a book unless you were sanctioned by the church, and if you were not, they would quickly silence you. But now, even within certain churches and religions, there are signs of change. It is heartwarming, and one is grateful for even the slightest signs of openness, such as Pope John Paul II visiting a mosque as well as a synagogue.... -
Assuming you are right, then there still is this ultimate truth that we need to follow in a certain way. But that might seem constricting to those who disagree with us on the key points. I feel being exclusive is hard to avoid, for faith is by nature exclusive.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:If one sees the essence of spirituality, then all other differences are surface differences.
However, we must of course know that there is a difference between Religion and Spirituality, although it is possible for spirituality to rise in religions.
...The new spirituality, the transformation of consciousness, is arising to a large extent outside the structures of the existing institutionalised religions. They were always pockets of spirituality even in mind-dominated religions, although the institutionalised hierarchies felt threatened by them and often tried to suppress them. A large-scale opening of spirituality outside of religious structures is an entirely new development. In the past, this would have been inconceivable, especially in the West, the most mind-dominated of all cultures, where the Christian church had a virtual franchise on spirituality. You couldnÂ’t just stand up and give a spiritual talk or publish a book unless you were sanctioned by the church, and if you were not, they would quickly silence you. But now, even within certain churches and religions, there are signs of change. It is heartwarming, and one is grateful for even the slightest signs of openness, such as Pope John Paul II visiting a mosque as well as a synagogue....
Even the belief in all ways has to contradict the belief in one way, and it seems both of them can't be absolutely right at the same time. So something has to give.
It might very well be that most differences are just on the surface and that many religions share basic truths. But then it also seems that there are in the basic truths that exists differences that cannot be reconciled without changing either one or both. In either way this assumption of all-rightness assumes that this current state is not the right state, which assumes that this current state might not be desirable or evolved enough. Surely enough objectivity arises to lead us in the way that shall eventually be an exclusive one way, in which all beliefs outside it are lies.
Perhaps it is the vale of illusion to suppose that enlightenment and unelightenment can co-exist, and surely this was never your illusion. -
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