Be my staff because you always lifted me to heaven
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Had you encountered such incidents when the selection committee of an employer actually knew who they employing before advertising on paper? If the real boss wanted to employ someone top level thru the board, he can just engage if convincing instead of advertising.
Of course in this case, the real employer will be kept in their dark in this case. Any HR cared to comment on this? -
I suppose I'd comment if I could understand what you were asking.
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waste money, waste time.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:I suppose I'd comment if I could understand what you were asking. Will your director or general manager arrange to have his golf mate interviewed and enlist him into the company. The Chairman or CEO may selectively don't know that the one employed was actually his GM's friend.
Or they will look into actual most qualified people to take up the job. That is my question. I hope you can understand better. -
Well, right now I'm trying to steal a manager. I was his client in 2001, and back then I liked the way he worked. His company's now in trouble and I need a manager, so there you go.
All things being equal, if you already know someone who can do the job well, why take the chance of hiring someone who may look good on paper but may turn out to be a real turkey in practice? -
Originally posted by Gedanken:Well, right now I'm trying to steal a manager. I was his client in 2001, and back then I liked the way he worked. His company's now in trouble and I need a manager, so there you go.
All things being equal, if you already know someone who can do the job well, why take the chance of hiring someone who may look good on paper but may turn out to be a real turkey in practice? Everything also got both way..this guy maybe can make you happy do you favour but cannot work, although he had been employed by another company. He was no fired because his boss dared no to fire him which may landed him in a hot soup..Could that be possible? -
Someone proposed a possible business theory to me about recruitment. Sometimes a recruitment ad is not really to recruit ppl but to send a signal to your competititors in the same industry that your company is growing strong and in the midst of recruiting more ppl to boost company strength.
So is that theory plausible? Employers waste money to put out ads to send signal to competitors? Hmmm... seem to be a new business tactic I learned recently
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Well, it's always possible that some people might prefer one person over another because he supports a particular football team - that kind of thing will take place whether you're picking someone you know or interviewing off applications.Originally posted by king108: Everything also got both way..this guy maybe can make you happy do you favour but cannot work, although he had been employed by another company. He was no fired because his boss dared no to fire him which may landed him in a hot soup..Could that be possible?
In this particular case, I know how the guy works and what he's capable of, and he'll be more than capable of fulfilling the manager's role. In particular, when I was his client, he had all of his facts and materials on hand, and supplied me with more useful information than what I requested - he's a real pro. On top of that, he knew his company and product's limits and had no problem saying no to requests that could not be reasonably asked. Those are the precise qualities that I'm looking for in a manager.
If I've done enough homework to find out that his company's not in good shape, why would you think that I haven't also gotten the scoop on this guy and how he works? In this particular case, I've traced his history back and already checked up on him in his roles prior to 2001.
Anyway, back to the main point. I've seen how this guy works and from that I already know that he's got the right stuff for this job, personal feelings aside. Why would I want to take my chances with a complete stranger? It's tough luck for other people that I haven't seen what they can do, but that doesn't necessitate a conspiracy theory. -
It's possible, but why would anybody want to do that? If you're in a strong position, let your annual report do the talking for you.Originally posted by sohguanh:Someone proposed a possible business theory to me about recruitment. Sometimes a recruitment ad is not really to recruit ppl but to send a signal to your competititors in the same industry that your company is growing strong and in the midst of recruiting more ppl to boost company strength.
So is that theory plausible? Employers waste money to put out ads to send signal to competitors? Hmmm... seem to be a new business tactic I learned recently -
108="yi ting fa"
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it's normal la.
we're still using the cheena tactics : Jiang3 guan1 xi4
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Originally posted by Wind6:108="yi ting fa" I just wanted to make sure that you guys out there are treated equally when you are qualified if no less. I don't wanted anyone to abuse the advertisement just because they have to play by their company's rule when the candidates may have been shortlisted..by his golfmate or even mentor..
It's seen like backdoor trade to me or even builting up one strenght within the company itself..As a GM or recruiter or someone behind the recruiter, he can make his life easilier with know one doing his job..but forgotten that someone else will be cleaning his new carrier left over..simply because he was in heaven and forgotten that he did a disservice to his company and his shareholder by having someone who mastered
"Dao Kai Woo Tio Tio, A Te Bo Cha Seow" instead of someone that is really qualified but don't know how to carry.. -
You DO realise that the majority of jobs available aren't advertised?
Take a dose of reality here. It's a dog-eat-dog world where every individual wants to get a job and every company wants to get the person they think is best. How that all works out is dictated by the circumstances.
From an employer's perspective, if I don't already know someone who can do the job right, I'll advertise. If, on the other hand, I do already have someone on hand who can do the job, why should I have to jump through useless hoops?
If you want a fair shake, go out, network, get noticed, and above all things PERFORM WELL in what you're already doing. If you don't do that, all the wishing in the world isn't going to do you a jot of good.
Thanks for looking out for us little guys, BTW, but I think I'll find my own way. Perhaps you could start a union - that seems to be the way your sentiments are pointing. -
Originally posted by Gedanken:You DO realise that the majority of jobs available aren't advertised?
Take a dose of reality here. It's a dog-eat-dog world where every individual wants to get a job and every company wants to get the person they think is best. How that all works out is dictated by the circumstances.
From an employer's perspective, if I don't already know someone who can do the job right, I'll advertise. If, on the other hand, I do already have someone on hand who can do the job, why should I have to jump through useless hoops?
If you want a fair shake, go out, network, get noticed, and above all things PERFORM WELL in what you're already doing. If you don't do that, all the wishing in the world isn't going to do you a jot of good.
Thanks for looking out for us little guys, BTW, but I think I'll find my own way. Perhaps you could start a union - that seems to be the way your sentiments are pointing.I am running my own show now..but I will definitely encourage you guy to join the union and do the best for your staff yourself..be their representative. -
Originally posted by Gedanken:You DO realise that the majority of jobs available aren't advertised?
Take a dose of reality here. It's a dog-eat-dog world where every individual wants to get a job and every company wants to get the person they think is best. How that all works out is dictated by the circumstances.
From an employer's perspective, if I don't already know someone who can do the job right, I'll advertise. If, on the other hand, I do already have someone on hand who can do the job, why should I have to jump through useless hoops?
If you want a fair shake, go out, network, get noticed, and above all things PERFORM WELL in what you're already doing. If you don't do that, all the wishing in the world isn't going to do you a jot of good.
Thanks for looking out for us little guys, BTW, but I think I'll find my own way. Perhaps you could start a union - that seems to be the way your sentiments are pointing. There are companies around where their rules and regulation required them to advertise regardless of whether they have someone in mind.
However, it will be a waste of interviewee time and money to be interviewed by them. I put it bluntly, are you sure that he is the best one for that job which can be doubtful.
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don't know you england so power, I cannot comprehend the whole thing.
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Originally posted by mistyblue:don't know you england so power, I cannot comprehend the whole thing. I already mentioned that I learnt chinese ..when the british taught me english
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Ah.Originally posted by king108:I am running my own show now..but I will definitely encourage you guy to join the union and do the best for your staff yourself..be their representative.
I see.
"Self employed", are we?
Timothy Leary would be so proud.
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Yes, and where I am, the recruitment system must be backed up by a comprehensive set of documents justifying the selection of one particular candidate. Failure to do so opens the doors for litigation. That, however, has not put a dent in the headhunting industry.Originally posted by king108: There are companies around where their rules and regulation required them to advertise regardless of whether they have someone in mind.
However, it will be a waste of interviewee time and money to be interviewed by them. I put it bluntly, are you sure that he is the best one for that job which can be doubtful.
I really don't wish to shame anyone here, I believe President Nathan will laugh rolling the floor if I mentioned his name.
I put it bluntly, are you sure you know anything about management, recruitment, job design or organisational behaviour? If so, it would be nice to see your credentials.
I really don't wish to shame anyone here, but this argument is rapidly descending to silliness of Pythonesque proportions.