Your God is not who you think he is.
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God created man and gave man the choice, unlike the ants, to do things that carries certain consequences ( I do not use Good and Evil, because I am not God.) I have no wish to be an ant. You can desire to be an animal, but not me, thank you very much.Originally posted by SixSentinels:look at how ants live. they have almost the same way of life as us humans. they live in nests like we live in cities, they have roles in society like workers, soldiers, nurses, leader, and teachers. but ants do not turn against their own colony do they? this proves that evil is a creation of mankind (and since mankind, as some people say, is created by god, then god created evil indirectly). -
What is redemption? What is it for? Do you have any idea?Originally posted by Gazelle:Did HE redeemed you from your sins? what about the rest of us? -
You know some people are toking cok and you bother to reply to them? Are you not a bigger cok? Then find out for yourself, work it out for yourself. Or ask somebody else.
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from this statement are you trying to tell me that you LOOK DOWN on other animals (man is an animal himself) and believe they are INFERIOR to you? are you saying that God is biased against other animals and gave us and not them A CHOICE? how then does this make god almighty and all-knowing?Originally posted by casino_king:God created man and gave man the choice, unlike the ants, to do things that carries certain consequences ( I do not use Good and Evil, because I am not God.) I have no wish to be an ant. You can desire to be an animal, but not me, thank you very much. -
God is biased against other animals like yourself? Please man, I already said, you can be an animal all you want. I prefer to be a human, thank you very much. I prefer God to leve man alone to make his own decisions for better or worse. I have no wish to be an animal.Originally posted by SixSentinels:from this statement are you trying to tell me that you LOOK DOWN on other animals (man is an animal himself) and believe they are INFERIOR to you? are you saying that God is biased against other animals and gave us and not them A CHOICE? how then does this make god almighty and all-knowing? -
I prefer God to leave man alone to decide if he wants to get to know God... God is not coming to crash into you house and say I am GOD, worship ME and ME alone.
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you seem to contradict everyone's (and including yourself) statement.Originally posted by casino_king:God is biased against other animals like yourself? Please man, I already said, you can be an animal all you want. I prefer to be a human, thank you very much. I prefer God to leve man alone to make his own decisions for better or worse. I have no wish to be an animal. -
Only humans who desires to be an animal can say that.Originally posted by SixSentinels:you seem to contradict everyone's (and including yourself) statement. -
just ignore casino_king... everyone is ignoring him...
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because I ignored you? Or because you cannot stomach the truth?
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why don't u say up till now how many people has said u r crazy and how many people says your posts make sense ?
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The truth hurts my friend..... how many people said Jesus was crazy? How many said Buddha was crazy? I am just following in their footsteps. If you only want to hear mainstream answers to your questions, why bother to debate at all? Just crawl back into whatever hole you came from and continue with your beliefs.
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I do not see any point in more debate with u .... they r not saying u r crazy because u hurt them... they r saying u r crazy because your posts are incoherent...
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nah........ they say I am crazy because they cannot refute my points and it hurts them deeply becuase they hold their pov with religious fervour instead of facing the truth.
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Like here, since 5th and no answer, because they are ignoring me or because they have no answer?
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.............. then let the readers and others gauge themselves on your sanity....
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You have to understand some strange things about people... when they cannot understand something, they simply make up an answer for themselves and cling on to that with all their might and they tell you that it is "faith." You enjoy debating with them because it is so easy to point out their cok and bull stories.... makes you feel good.
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Originally posted by SixSentinels:
I see that you like to dance, on thin ice....
1) Your religion contains no truth about the real God.
2) The real God does not reveal himself until a species is capable of solving every mystery and answering every question that exists in the Universe.
3) We are a species out of trillions of others that have been created to be tested through the ages. If we can survive on our homeworld against the many natural and extraterrestrial disasters and threats, then we are one step closer to knowing about the real Creator.
4) However, if we are able to not only survive the tests of time, but gather all the wisdom available about our Universe and its existance, then the Creator reveals himself to us, and this species ascends and builds the Universe alongside the real God.
5) In conclusion, your religion is [b]nothing more than an assumption.[/b] -
means nothing toi me... their opinions... and yours.Originally posted by stupidissmart:.............. then let the readers and others gauge themselves on your sanity.... -
you see what you are doing exactly like what they are doing? cannot find internal incoherance in my posts and decide to hit me personally? hahaha... been there, done that.
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is saying nothing... you have to say why you think he is dancing on thin ice.Originally posted by ShutterBug:I see that you like to dance, on thin ice.... -
i agree with uOriginally posted by stupidissmart:I do not see any point in more debate with u .... they r not saying u r crazy because u hurt them... they r saying u r crazy because your posts are incoherent... -
Originally posted by laoda99 quoting Wikipedia:
Get your facts right about what atheism is first. One cannot harbor anger at something which one does not believe to exist. If he was angry with some spiritual entity, then he would be somewhat already believing in the entity.
When he later wrote an account of his adult reconversion to Christianity, under the title Surprised by Joy, he said that he had been "very angry with God for not existing". Some interpret this to mean that he did not so much reject the existence of God as harbour anger at God for the unfairnesses in life.Originally posted by laoda99:
As i've said, one cannot blame or be angry with something that one does not believe to exist. The "why God gave me free will knowing i would make the wrong choice" paradox is not for me but for you to ponder over. To ponder over things which your religion teaches you not to question. If pondering through, you end up becoming atheist/agnostic, then i congratulate you. On the other end, if pondering makes you stronger in your religion, then i congratulate you all the same. The purpose is to hope that people will not be blind in faith.
hmm......if already u dun believe in god, dun blame god for letting us kill ourselves....Originally posted by laoda99:
While nuclear power can be used as weapons, nuclear power can also be used as an alternative energy source to replace our depleting fuel. Nuclear weapons are not a result of intellect/technology being evil, but a result of the failing of men. Nuclear power, like a sword, like fire, like the piece of rock on the ground, is neither inherently good nor inherently evil.
yeah...and to create nuclear weapons tat can wipe us off the planet....Originally posted by xXStormFallXx:
Personal experiences, because they are personal, cannot be used as evidence to support the existence of anything. Personal experience cannot be falsified, verified or replicated. There are plenty of people who nearly die but never did experience any NDE. People afflicted with Schizophrenia have very realistic personal experience too.
Core NDE experiencers, in particular, tend to be convinced of the reality of the experience as an intimation of the afterlife. This includes those with agnostic/atheist inclinations before the experience. Many former atheists, such as the The Rev. Howard Storm (Rodrigues, 2004) [2] have adopted a more spiritual view of life after their NDEs.Originally posted by xXStormFallXx:
Quite a number of theists assert that morality comes from their religion. I'll use an example to note that this is not neccessarily the case. I'll assume most of us on this topic are pretty well acquainted with Christianity as such i'll use the bible as example.
Like I have stressed in my previous posts, I am not talking about abandoning intelligence totally. You can have intelligence or not (everybody has some level of intelligence) but what really matters is how you use that intelligence. Which is where morality and choice comes into the question. and religion provides you with a set of moral codes. you need to have faith in love, a right faith in God to know you are doing things the right way in life, in a way that benefits yourself and humanity.
The bible is a good and holy book, as suggested by Christians. It provides us with the 10 commandments (in an abstract form) which talks about some basic good morals, like one should not murder. However, the bible provides alot more. The 10 commandments are just a few quotes in it. The bible also provides explicit instructions on when to stone certain people to death. It also contains explicit instructions on how to trade with slaves.
All these, we realise are no longer acceptable as social norms in our society. Instead, Christians gloss over them and pick selective quotes from the bible and use as the 10 commandments. Here, we see morality evolving independently of religion or the bible. If morality cannot be produced outside of religious scriptures, then today, you and i could well be slaves. And i would have been stoned to death 100 times over. -
what points?Originally posted by casino_king:nah........ they say I am crazy because they cannot refute my points and it hurts them deeply becuase they hold their pov with religious fervour instead of facing the truth.
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U agree that it is potentially disastrous becoz of the failing of men. Sixsentinels have also agreed that men is imperfect. I agree with the two of u. It is becoz of this we need Christ, and not becoz we are perfect.Originally posted by lbandit:quote:
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Originally posted by laoda99:
yeah...and to create nuclear weapons tat can wipe us off the planet....
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While nuclear power can be used as weapons, nuclear power can also be used as an alternative energy source to replace our depleting fuel. Nuclear weapons are not a result of intellect/technology being evil, but a result of the failing of men. Nuclear power, like a sword, like fire, like the piece of rock on the ground, is neither inherently good nor inherently evil.
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