north korea preparing to launch MORE missiles
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http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/07/05/north-korea.html
North Korea is reportedly preparing to launch three or four more missiles including another long-range Taepodong-2, despite international condemnation for test-firing a flurry of missiles into the Sea of Japan Tuesday and Wednesday.
The missiles are said to be either short-or medium-range, and are on launch pads and ready for firing, major South Korean newspapers reported Thursday.
NBC News reported that North Korea was also preparing to to launch another long-range Taepodong-2 missile but the missile is not yet on the launch pad.
North Korea has test-fired at least seven missiles in 24 hours, sparking worldwide condemnation for breaking a moratorium in place since 1999.
The long-range Taepodong-2, believed to be able to reach continental North America, fell short of its target shortly after being launched Tuesday. The latest launch came several hours after a bout of sustained activity, during which five short-range models crashed into the Sea of Japan.
Japan, which called for swift action from the United Nations Security Council, circulated a resolution to the council's 15 members demanding member nations withhold funds, goods and technology that could be used for North Korea's missile program. The resolution was backed by the U.S. and Britain.
But China, North Korea's most important ally, and Russia said they favour a weaker council statement without any threat of sanctions. Both countries hold veto power in the council. The others are the U.S., France and Britain.
China's UN ambassador, Wang Guangya, said he favoured a statement rather than a resolution or sanctions, Reuters reported. Russia's UN Ambassador Vitali Churkin also said he favours a diplomatic solution.
No agreement was reached. Council members meet again on Thursday.
U.S. Ambassador John Bolton, repeating Washington's position that the issue is not solely between the U.S. and North Korea but is a world concern, said there was little support for Pyongyang during the council meeting.
"No member defended what North Korea had done," Bolton said.
Join six-party talks: Bush
U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said she doesn't know what the motivation for the missile launches is, but said they've drawn a strong reaction from the international community.
Rice, speaking Wednesday with Turkish Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul, said Pyongyang would be wise to abandon brinkmanship and return to six-party talks on its weapons program.
U.S. President George W. Bush, who in 2002 called North Korea, Iraq and Iran an "axis of evil," said the missile firings further isolate the country.
"North Korea can join the community of nations and improve its lot by acting in concert with those of us who believe it shouldn't possess nuclear weapons," said Bush.
The U.S. is sending its chief North Korea negotiator, Christopher Hill, to the region later this week.
Foreign Affairs Minister Peter MacKay added Canada's voice to the world condemnation on Wednesday, calling the launches a "major threat" to stability in the region. Echoing Rice, MacKay chided Pyongyang for its use of "brinkmanship" in dealing with the international community.
"Canada believes that such tactics are counterproductive and ultimately destined to fail," he said in a news release posted on the Foreign Affairs Department's website.
Missiles failed
White House press secretary Tony Snow said the U.S. military believes the long-range Taepodong-2's flight was not aborted, but was a "launch failure."
The intercontinental missile dropped into the Sea of Japan 42 seconds after it was launched. Bush administration officials have characterized it as a "failure."
Analysts with the military magazine Jane's Defence Weekly say the missile launches, while brief, provide North Korea with some data and experience that could be used in future launches.
Officials at North American Aerospace Defence Command (NORAD) in Colorado are studying the long-range missile's telemetry to determine its path and the nations over which it could have flown.
It's believed North Korea last test-fired missiles in 1998. The Taepodong-1 crossed Japanese airspace before landing in the sea. It announced a missile-launch moratorium a year later, a ban it said last month no longer applied. -
Shit Shit who the FUck is shooting us?
oh well, fire missiles -
are they really so desperate to want a war?
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what's wrong with testing missiles? its not hitting other country's territory anyway
how come other countries can launch missiles while north Korea can't? racism and double standard -
simple.. you got a mad, unstable lunatic who is "president" there..
a loony who is willing to let his people starve rather than give up his army...
a whackjob who rather have nuclear weapons rather than let his people eat enough...
a crackpot who keeps threatening everyone around him with nukes for no reason whatsoever...
a ballistic missile which can reach Japan, Korea, and their own and only ally, PRC...
oh well...
if you think it's okay, well, go "defect" to N Korea
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Well, China is not their only ally. Russia is too. everyone is worried. xcpet the both of them.
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Its making bad reputation worse. Coz other countries only need an excuse to test their army in other people's territory .Originally posted by ctstalin:what's wrong with testing missiles? its not hitting other country's territory anyway
how come other countries can launch missiles while north Korea can't? racism and double standard -
george bush is mad tooOriginally posted by the Bear:simple.. you got a mad, unstable lunatic who is "president" there..
a loony who is willing to let his people starve rather than give up his army...
a whackjob who rather have nuclear weapons rather than let his people eat enough...
a crackpot who keeps threatening everyone around him with nukes for no reason whatsoever...
a ballistic missile which can reach Japan, Korea, and their own and only ally, PRC...
oh well...
if you think it's okay, well, go "defect" to N Korea
a warmonger who wages war in the name of terrorrism on the muslims
a promoter of free speech and democracy who went around tapping other people phone
lots of ICMB capable of reaching almost all the spots in the world and a large army stationed around the world capable of launching an offensive anytime anywhere -
Well, he is elected and will step down after the next elections.Originally posted by ctstalin:george bush is mad too
a warmonger who wages war in the name of terrorrism on the muslims
a promoter of free speech and democracy who went around tapping other people phone
lots of ICMB capable of reaching almost all the spots in the world and a large army stationed around the world capable of launching an offensive anytime anywhere
War on muslims in the name of terrorism? I bet there are muslims out there who are able to put down your above statement.
A promoter of free speech and democracy tapping phones? If you threaten to breech the free speech n democracy, y not?
Capable of launching. Not willing too. If you say it this way, then, Isn't China,Russia, UK all as equally capable? -
No, they don't want a war. More like they are attracting attention. Great chance, as World Bank and IMF annual meeting is coming.Originally posted by StarPuppy:are they really so desperate to want a war?
After this, I think will be testing people patience liao. -
ok, maybe it sounded a bit wrong to say war on muslims... but waging war without the blessing of the UN, violating the basic principle which the UN was built upon... and after a little while of moans and graons from some countries, no action was taken against them?Originally posted by Pitot:Well, he is elected and will step down after the next elections.
War on muslims in the name of terrorism? I bet there are muslims out there who are able to put down your above statement.
A promoter of free speech and democracy tapping phones? If you threaten to breech the free speech n democracy, y not?
Capable of launching. Not willing too. If you say it this way, then, Isn't China,Russia, UK all as equally capable?
NK just fired a few missiles into the sea of japan which might hurt a few fishes, and almost the whole world condemn it like its gonna trigger WW3?
NK leaders knows they are isolated, and won't want to wage war with almost the whole world, so they wouldn't be that rash to fight a war with alomost the rest of the world, would they?
Nazi Germany was so daring because they had the assurance from the USSR with the nazi-soviet pact, had strong allies in Italy and Japan. north vietnam had the backing ot PRC to attack the south. u tink NK will have the same kind of backing today?
If the rest of the world can have its own arsenal? why not NK, a soverign state? -
Originally posted by ctstalin:
NK just fired a few missiles that could have done alot more than just killed a few fishes. We all know that.
ok, maybe it sounded a bit wrong to say war on muslims... but waging war without the blessing of the UN, violating the basic principle which the UN was built upon... and after a little while of moans and graons from [b]some countries, no action was taken against them?
NK just fired a few missiles into the sea of japan which might hurt a few fishes, and almost the whole world condemn it like its gonna trigger WW3?
NK leaders knows they are isolated, and won't want to wage war with almost the whole world, so they wouldn't be that rash to fight a war with alomost the rest of the world, would they?
Nazi Germany was so daring because they had the assurance from the USSR with the nazi-soviet pact, had strong allies in Italy and Japan. north vietnam had the backing ot PRC to attack the south. u tink NK will have the same kind of backing today?
If the rest of the world can have its own arsenal? why not NK, a soverign state?
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Why would they want to fight a war when they are capable of launching nuclear weapons? They wont even have to fight a war. Just launching missiles will enable them to have a leverage on their rights.
I'm not against any country having the power and capability to deystroy the world. I'm against countries having the power and capability to destroy the world, AND having some lunatic at the helms of it at the same time.
Unfortunately, Iran and NK falls into this group. -
show me one instance that they have behaved like a responsible nation of the international community?Originally posted by ctstalin:what's wrong with testing missiles? its not hitting other country's territory anyway
how come other countries can launch missiles while north Korea can't? racism and double standard
IMHO, Bush should have focused more on NK than Iran. -
Originally posted by ctstalin:
Seems like there's 2 threads concerning the recent NK events of missile launch. Anyway i believe NK should be able to hold their point stern if they have an at least stable or growing economy. Building and maintaining a stronger army justifies its cause since it can harness nuclear plants to produce enough energy to drive its economy and ranged missiles for protecting its homeland against unforseen aggressions. But i am always wondering how NK's economy's blooming as compared to her neighbours.
ok, maybe it sounded a bit wrong to say war on muslims... but waging war without the blessing of the UN, violating the basic principle which the UN was built upon... and after a little while of moans and graons from [b]some countries, no action was taken against them?
NK just fired a few missiles into the sea of japan which might hurt a few fishes, and almost the whole world condemn it like its gonna trigger WW3?
NK leaders knows they are isolated, and won't want to wage war with almost the whole world, so they wouldn't be that rash to fight a war with alomost the rest of the world, would they?
Nazi Germany was so daring because they had the assurance from the USSR with the nazi-soviet pact, had strong allies in Italy and Japan. north vietnam had the backing ot PRC to attack the south. u tink NK will have the same kind of backing today?
If the rest of the world can have its own arsenal? why not NK, a soverign state?
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Originally posted by ctstalin:
Correct me if I'm wrong, I thought USSR is not siding with Germany during WW2?
ok, maybe it sounded a bit wrong to say war on muslims... but waging war without the blessing of the UN, violating the basic principle which the UN was built upon... and after a little while of moans and graons from [b]some countries, no action was taken against them?
NK just fired a few missiles into the sea of japan which might hurt a few fishes, and almost the whole world condemn it like its gonna trigger WW3?
NK leaders knows they are isolated, and won't want to wage war with almost the whole world, so they wouldn't be that rash to fight a war with alomost the rest of the world, would they?
Nazi Germany was so daring because they had the assurance from the USSR with the nazi-soviet pact, had strong allies in Italy and Japan. north vietnam had the backing ot PRC to attack the south. u tink NK will have the same kind of backing today?
If the rest of the world can have its own arsenal? why not NK, a soverign state?
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Originally posted by ctstalin:
in realpolitik, it is about having the lesser evil.
ok, maybe it sounded a bit wrong to say war on muslims... but waging war without the blessing of the UN, violating the basic principle which the UN was built upon... and after a little while of moans and graons from [b]some countries, no action was taken against them?
NK just fired a few missiles into the sea of japan which might hurt a few fishes, and almost the whole world condemn it like its gonna trigger WW3?
NK leaders knows they are isolated, and won't want to wage war with almost the whole world, so they wouldn't be that rash to fight a war with alomost the rest of the world, would they?
Nazi Germany was so daring because they had the assurance from the USSR with the nazi-soviet pact, had strong allies in Italy and Japan. north vietnam had the backing ot PRC to attack the south. u tink NK will have the same kind of backing today?
If the rest of the world can have its own arsenal? why not NK, a soverign state?
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The trash that Bush did, at least has a 5 year limit on accountability. When you have Kim and his policies which plainly care not for his own people, I call that a greater evil.
If they can move in line with interntional norms and reform their government, maybe talks would be good. At this point, further missile launches which are clearly provocative in nature, should be met with strong force. -
Until germany got greedy.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Correct me if I'm wrong, I thought USSR is not siding with Germany during WW2? -
wad if one drop by sentosa.. -
the nazi-soviet pact is actually a time-delaying tactic by the ussr to get ready for german invasionOriginally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Correct me if I'm wrong, I thought USSR is not siding with Germany during WW2? -
I don't know whether the sea of japan is contraolled by any of the countries surrounding it, so i shall assume no one owns it
if my assumption is true, the missiles landed in international water, not violating any other countries territorial sovereignty, i dun see anything wrong with the test even if NK is "an irresponsible country with a lunatic" president
so far there is no such claims by japan or SK, so i shall assume my assumption is correct
remember the tsunami that hit SEA? NK donated some money to the relief effort even though its people "are suffering and starving under the tyranny of Kim Jong Il". the amount though not large, shows us that NK is trying to play its part as a member of the international community. "its the heart that matters" in what ways is NK an irresponsible country?
it might be interesting to note that NK was much more economically stronger than SK after the korean war until the capitalist imposed all kinds of sanctions on it due to cold war.
Pitot is against Iran and NK, i'm against the barbaric west -
we need to get the mark on where the missiles actually falls on target screens. now the remains of the projectiles may be washed inward or out towards the sea by the current. if NK's aim (whatever it sounds) is within her own waters and she has informed of the ranged missiles (capable of mass destruction from a retrofitted warhead) testing to her allies out of courtesy it should not triggered so much disapproval from the west.Originally posted by ctstalin:I don't know whether the sea of japan is contraolled by any of the countries surrounding it, so i shall assume no one owns it
if my assumption is true, the missiles landed in international water, not violating any other countries territorial sovereignty, i dun see anything wrong with the test even if NK is "an irresponsible country with a lunatic" president
so far there is no such claims by japan or SK, so i shall assume my assumption is correct
remember the tsunami that hit SEA? NK donated some money to the relief effort even though its people "are suffering and starving under the tyranny of Kim Jong Il". the amount though not large, shows us that NK is trying to play its part as a member of the international community. "its the heart that matters" in what ways is NK an irresponsible country?
it might be interesting to note that NK was much more economically stronger than SK after the korean war until the capitalist imposed all kinds of sanctions on it due to cold war.
Pitot is against Iran and NK, i'm against the barbaric west
i think this missile launching is call out to the world that NK wants something. they wanted to be heard.