Ani 1 from normal academic / norm tech / EM3 before?
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In any case, I remember reading this pretty inspiring story about this ITE guy who got first class honours in an Australian university. All that in spite of the fact that his mother had to raise him single-handedly by working as a hawker.
So, yeah, I see no reason to look down on Normal stream and ITE students. -
judging from that you are 17, and you graduated at 16, which is at 2005, which also means you are 15 in 2004, which also means you are sec 3, at that time, best class was 3/9, er hem, is your surname start with H 1 ?Originally posted by missqi:TMD! Dont anyhow say my sec sch can?
lol.
I was from the best class last year.
Not many nerds ma.
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Usual thing lah, those express twits act all high and mighty, but who knows what happens when they get compared to "superior specimens".
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paging for missqi to enter this thread, are you the one surname start with H de, if it is really you ar, i guess you really dun like me too, i mean in school, i am 1 level lower than you.
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i was previously from em3 but rose to em2 den got to express, but retain, now..dun say le...Originally posted by kurashi:Hais.. jus to tink of that.. ani i from normal acad / normal tech or even EM3? Do u have a feeling that ppl from other streams tend to look down on us?.
I was reading another post " maths can or cannot" and it suddenly strikes me with this question. Does it mean that ppl from lower stream means cannot study? ? I doubt so. I tink it's a matter of time for us to kai qiao ( wake up).
Maybe I can share my experiences with you guys.. hopefully I can insipre you all of you to work hard and do not feel so despair.
Ok..
Remember there's a streaming exam at pri 4? okie.. I was considered the stupidest among the class.. luckily, i scrapped thr the exam and got into EM2 but second last class.. (almost = EM3 class).. which teachers juz give up hope on us.. etc. And as expected, I score a merely 165 for PSLE.. OMG.. 165!! can go whr? Normal academic. Only way to go.. no choice.
During my sec school, all the express students actually look down on me. Passing hurtful remarks like .. stupid class.. etc. However, that was the time I kai qiao. I start to work hard. Seriously, my parents, teachers and friends kept on asking" Hey wad happen to u? suddenly so hardworking?" honestly, I don't know. The feeling just came. The motivation just there. I was not angry or troubled by the hurtful remarks. As I was immuned since my primary school days.
At the end, I managed to get to Poly wth 11 pts.
So from my story, I am not boasting the good grades that I have got / I just wanna share my experiences to all of you. Do not feel despair, there will be one day , where you will succeed. It's just a matter of time. OKie?
All the best.
Regds
Kurashi
in short, have confidence, others can look down on us, but not ourselves. -
- I got into express stream (1996).... in a school where there was only ONE class with half express & half special stream students (all thanks to the fact that I didn't study at all for PSLE, GrrrR)...
All the other classes were pure special stream + GEP.. the teachers constantly looked down us and expressed this very vocally, and very often.. I remember very clearly the maths teacher saying to us, "E Maths students (mostly express) don't bother to try and understand A Maths (mostly special) class because you're not at that level, ok?"
I was the only express student to get a high distinction english award from UNSW, but it was treated with indifference.. post-awards, they celebrated the special stream students' achievements but I was completely left out - no mention, not invited! The express students alot of flak from the other special stream students who looked down on us - we were a stigma..
A group of special stream students from my class started discussing about their parents wanting to demand for change of classes .. their argument was that the inclusion of express students in the same class as them would pull down their standard - this was done right in front of me.. and then they suddenly remembered I was from express stream and fell silent!!
- My younger sister got into Normal Academic stream. (199
She's a bright girl - brighter & more articulate than most of the express students in her school, a potato like me, but got into this stream because she was very weak in maths and was a late bloomer.. she became very rebellious because to her teachers, she was still not as good as the express stream students, not even after she beat all the express students to clinch a top interschool award in english. According to my sis, the principal got her up on stage to announce, "You all should be ashamed of yourselves. Normal academic student win 1st prize. None of you express students even win consolation." All the express students' eyes were boring down on her with hate/grudging respect. Later, she tried to befriend an express student, who told her, "My dad told me not to mix with normal academic people and pull down my standard. Anyway, I think that award.... you just got lucky." (she punched him and broke his specs)
The teachers were incompetent in her school and often didn't turn up for class. Her english teacher taught the class that "millenium:" was pronounced as "myurmmyurm"... when my sis raised her hand and corrected the teacher, she was sent out of the class.
There were alot of normal academic class/school mates who looked up to her, and they constantly confided that that it's "pointless to study hard" since they were "so stupid". The situation at school drove her to seek exterior sources of higher educational value, she's now studying abroad in a specialised school for CG animation.
- My youngest brother got into Normal Technical. (2001)
He's very bright, but a later bloomer than my sis. So getting into that stream was extremely demoralising for him. He got even more upset when he attended the 1st few weeks at school. He showed me his curriculum and said he was not stupid, but he FELT stupid just reading the rubbish text. His teachers were ill-equipped to develop his skills, and some of them didn't even understand him when he used slightly more "cheem" english!
He struggled hard to get out of the stream, but the teachers kept coming up with excuses as to why they couldn't allow him to advance to Normal Academic / Express... first it was because he needed to prove his grades in sec 1. Then when his sec 1 grades were good (except he almost failed chinese), they said they were concerned by his chinese and wanted him to stay 1 more yr in Normal Tech... THEN when he got 80/100 for his chinese at end of Sec 2, they said it was "too late" to change streams!! MOE also couldn't help.. they said the school had done nothing wrong... my mom tried to get a school transfer, but no school wanted to take him in even though his grades were good.. (cuz risky to take in a student in sec 3)
By then, he had developed a very rebellious and antisocial personality... he flunked his sec 4s, I suspect out of defiance. He now studies in a private school and is doing much better....
I really have a poor view of the Singapore education system.. I won't have my children study in such a crap environment, where the teachers cannot help or identify students who turn out to be brighter than their original streaming.. where you will be stepped down upon when you try to rise!
My siblings and I possess only average or slightly above average intelligence... it is ridiculous to expect other students, and people like us to be gifted to the point where we can suddenly score A1 for all subjects .. if that is the criteria for rising up the ladder, then no wonder students so bloody bo chap ...
To EM3 / Normal (A) / (T) students, don't be demoralised just because a bunch of people tell you u're not as good, it doesn't mean it's the truth. That's what they want you to believe. Empower yourselves, go out there and do your best.
One day u'll rise above all this nonsense. -
Originally posted by spinsugar:
well said, i agree!
[b]- I got into express stream (1996).... in a school where there was only ONE class with half express & half special stream students (all thanks to the fact that I didn't study at all for PSLE, GrrrR)...
All the other classes were pure special stream + GEP.. the teachers constantly looked down us and expressed this very vocally, and very often.. I remember very clearly the maths teacher saying to us, "E Maths students (mostly express) don't bother to try and understand A Maths (mostly special) class because you're not at that level, ok?"
I was the only express student to get a high distinction english award from UNSW, but it was treated with indifference.. post-awards, they celebrated the special stream students' achievements but I was completely left out - no mention, not invited! The express students alot of flak from the other special stream students who looked down on us - we were a stigma..
A group of special stream students from my class started discussing about their parents wanting to demand for change of classes .. their argument was that the inclusion of express students in the same class as them would pull down their standard - this was done right in front of me.. and then they suddenly remembered I was from express stream and fell silent!!
- My younger sister got into Normal Academic stream. (199
She's a bright girl - brighter & more articulate than most of the express students in her school, a potato like me, but got into this stream because she was very weak in maths and was a late bloomer.. she became very rebellious because to her teachers, she was still not as good as the express stream students, not even after she beat all the express students to clinch a top interschool award in english. According to my sis, the principal got her up on stage to announce, "You all should be ashamed of yourselves. Normal academic student win 1st prize. None of you express students even win consolation." All the express students' eyes were boring down on her with hate/grudging respect. Later, she tried to befriend an express student, who told her, "My dad told me not to mix with normal academic people and pull down my standard. Anyway, I think that award.... you just got lucky." (she punched him and broke his specs)
The teachers were incompetent in her school and often didn't turn up for class. Her english teacher taught the class that "millenium:" was pronounced as "myurmmyurm"... when my sis raised her hand and corrected the teacher, she was sent out of the class.
There were alot of normal academic class/school mates who looked up to her, and they constantly confided that that it's "pointless to study hard" since they were "so stupid". The situation at school drove her to seek exterior sources of higher educational value, she's now studying abroad in a specialised school for CG animation.
- My youngest brother got into Normal Technical. (2001)
He's very bright, but a later bloomer than my sis. So getting into that stream was extremely demoralising for him. He got even more upset when he attended the 1st few weeks at school. He showed me his curriculum and said he was not stupid, but he FELT stupid just reading the rubbish text. His teachers were ill-equipped to develop his skills, and some of them didn't even understand him when he used slightly more "cheem" english!
He struggled hard to get out of the stream, but the teachers kept coming up with excuses as to why they couldn't allow him to advance to Normal Academic / Express... first it was because he needed to prove his grades in sec 1. Then when his sec 1 grades were good (except he almost failed chinese), they said they were concerned by his chinese and wanted him to stay 1 more yr in Normal Tech... THEN when he got 80/100 for his chinese at end of Sec 2, they said it was "too late" to change streams!! MOE also couldn't help.. they said the school had done nothing wrong... my mom tried to get a school transfer, but no school wanted to take him in even though his grades were good.. (cuz risky to take in a student in sec 3)
By then, he had developed a very rebellious and antisocial personality... he flunked his sec 4s, I suspect out of defiance. He now studies in a private school and is doing much better....
I really have a poor view of the Singapore education system.. I won't have my children study in such a crap environment, where the teachers cannot help or identify students who turn out to be brighter than their original streaming.. where you will be stepped down upon when you try to rise!
My siblings and I possess only average or slightly above average intelligence... it is ridiculous to expect other students, and people like us to be gifted to the point where we can suddenly score A1 for all subjects .. if that is the criteria for rising up the ladder, then no wonder students so bloody bo chap ...
To EM3 / Normal (A) / (T) students, don't be demoralised just because a bunch of people tell you u're not as good, it doesn't mean it's the truth. That's what they want you to believe. Empower yourselves, go out there and do your best. One day u'll rise above all this nonsense.[/b]
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oh, me! from NA last time, very long ago. Ya, sad to say, express students always look up high when walked past our class, but i bo chup la, as long never say me in my face, can already. but my science teacher used to say tat we are of lower mentality ple thats why we are here and that made us to stop playing attention in his class. but in actual fact, not that we are stupid or lousy or low mentality, just that we are lazy. coz we have got a very strict and onz CS teacher, and no one dare to fail his subject for exam n surprisingly, the lowest grade was a B4. and also we used to have our discipline mistress as our geography teacher, n same too, no one dare to fail their subject. conclusion, no one is born stupid, just not enough motivation and hardwork, with all that, u can make it to the top or 2nd???
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jiayou!!
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I fail my exams in Pri 5, then Pri 6 i drop to EM3. However I manage to get into NA. Then manage to get into poly.
My point is dont give up. every one can do it. -
I got 191 for my PSLE, had a choice of going express or normal. Chose express, got top student award in my sec sch with 10 points for O lvls.
Turning point was, I was posted to some ulu sec sch I never heard of, so I wanted to transfer to this neighbourhood school near my house instead. I just felt shitty at that point cause right there and then my parents took the trouble of driving me around to a bunch of low-standard schools. Even one of the lousy schools rejected me cause they said their standard was "slightly above 191". I just felt I really let down my parents and they still had to drive me around to different lousy schools.
It's like if a child does well he will tell his parents he wants to go here and there as a reward, me, the complete opposite.