Motion is an illusion?, Zeno's paradox
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Oh oh almost forgot. I was waiting to use this pic when the time was right, but he chickened out too early.Originally posted by Rejected:goodnight, PB!
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Good night PointBlueOriginally posted by PointBlue:Ok, anyway, I've to go too. It's been fun, had a lot of laughs from this thread.
Goodnight, Phoebie, Herzog, Rejected, and sweet dreams, Darryl Chan.
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Originally posted by PointBlue:Oh oh almost forgot. I was waiting to use this pic when the time was right, but he chickened out too early.
Here's it:
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err defacing his picture, he is able to pursue legal proceedings against u leh...Originally posted by PointBlue:Beng Technique #1: When all else fails, bring in your opponents families!
Here's a picture to brighten your day:
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shes funny
I logged out of sgforum at like 5+am today and i cant believe she slogged the entire morning to do my stuff.
guess shes really bothered about me
lol
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Eh not banned yet ah?Originally posted by Dongseng:shes funny
I logged out of sgforum at like 5+am today and i cant believe she slogged the entire morning to do my stuff.
guess shes really bothered about me
lol
sorry kid no compliment
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If to be ban,it would be you since u were playign with others picOriginally posted by PointBlue:Eh not banned yet ah?
so don't assume ur on the safe boat
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By posting his picture on the Internet with no restrictions, I am free to do whatever I like to the photo in question. No law is broken, so please do some research about legal issues before making empty statements.Originally posted by dinky1409:err defacing his picture, he is able to pursue legal proceedings against u leh...
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OH RLYOriginally posted by Dongseng:If to be ban,it would be you since u were playign with others pic
so don't assume ur on the safe boat
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wah lau. dun need to go down to his level, really.Originally posted by PointBlue:OH RLY
I suddenly feel so compelled to make more edits. -
go onOriginally posted by PointBlue:OH RLY
I suddenly feel so compelled to make more edits.
i'm not even bothered,cuz it confirmed it was done by some childish kid
and thanks for bothering to work through the early morning to get back at me.
i must be one important dude to you
cant give u a nice head though -
my condolence
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where is hopy?Originally posted by sgboy2004:my condolence -
I agree with Ito^ and I have removed all pictures of 0lala.Originally posted by Ito_^:wah lau. dun need to go down to his level, really. -
U were on a lower level all alongOriginally posted by PointBlue:I agree with Ito^ and I have removed all pictures of 0lala. -
I will let the rest of the community judge you. For now, I'll take advice from the more senior people in these forums and avoid arguing with you. Whatever you reply to me is irrelevant now, as I will pay no attention to anything you comment from now on. My previous posts in this thread have already demonstrated my point, so my purpose here has ended.Originally posted by Dongseng:U were on a lower level all along -
Originally posted by Dongseng:If suppose an object is to move from one point to another, then it would have to pass through an infinite set of points in space. And knowing all motion across a corresponding set of points require time to accomplish, then the object would have travelled from one such point to another in zero time. This contradicts with the knowledge that motions take time. So in conclusion, we aren't really moving by our own definition?
hell yes?
typical copy and pasteOriginally posted by Dongseng:Zeno came to that conclusion--that motion was an illusion. In that, I would say he is correct. But Zeno did not, to my knowledge, come to that conclusion concerning the state of rest. Perhaps motion is not fluid but discrete--like frames of a film running in chronological and rapid sequence which produce the illusion of motion. So all objects can only exactly occupy the space they occupy (i.e. they are at rest) at any given instant and therefore have no space in which to move. Likewise, the "instant" we refer to can be infinitely refined but there comes a point in which the object has no time which to move, in which to act. The object is then annhilated in the next instant only to be replaced by a very similar but not exactly identical replica. Each succeeding instant gives rise to an extremely rapid succession of these spatial/temporal replicas that we then intrepret as a single object in motion.
But this interpretation has a major flaw, if events occur in slices of space and time in which there is no time to act or space to act in, how does one then discern motion which is, in fact, an act--the act of discerning? How does discernment occur where there is no space or time in which to act? It cannot and yet it undeniably does.
So what is motion? To have motion, we must have a body to be placed in motion, space for the body to traverse, and the motion of the body. If you take away one, the others cease to be intelligible or to have value. But are mover and motion separate entities? The mover the object and the motion the transitive attribute? The motion is nothing more than the object itself. Motion is unintelligible without a mover. But are motion and the mover the same? How then do we distinguish them? How can we NOT distinguish between an object in motion and an object at rest? Motion is neither identical to the mover nor separate from it.
A body in motion is nevertheless at rest at any given point-instant of its motion. It divides space into that which has already been traversed and that which has yet to be traversed. There are no other categories. There is no space being traversed to place in between the other two because that is merely where the object sits at a state of rest where it does not have the space to move. What gives space any distinction at all between that which has been traversed and that which is yet to be traversed is the arising of motion itself.
Yet, how does motion rise? When does a body begin to move? When it is moving? No, it is already moving. When does it START to move? Before it is in motion? No, because it is not yet in motion. When does a body BEGIN to move? When does the motion arise? It doesn't. But that is not to say that motion doesn't arise because then we could not distinguish space and matter which are intelligible only when motion completes the trinity. Motion arises and yet it doesn't.
Just as there is no category of "space being traversed" there is no point at which motion arises--a body is either in motion or it is not.
So, as Zeno postulates, there is no motion only rest? No. The same critique applies to rest as applies to motion. When a body in motion ceases its motion and comes to rest, at what point does the body BEGIN to rest? When it stops? No, it is then already at rest. When does it BEGIN to rest? Just before it stops? No, it is still in motion then. When does it begin to rest? It doesn't. And yet we distinguish a body at rest from one in motion and so there must be moment at which rest arises.
Moreover, if there is no motion, there is no rest and vice versa. One exists only by being differentiated from the other. One without the other is unintelligible. Without an independent existence, neither state can be said to be intrinsically real.
Therefore, motion AND rest are illusions.
sounds like it
only the last sentence of each post comes from this thread starter (maybe it's not even
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Still flaming?Originally posted by Phoebie:typical copy and paste
only the last sentence of each post comes from this thread starter (maybe it's not even ) -
this threadstarter is making a big fool of himself in shoutbox, insulting and threatening other peopleOriginally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Still flaming? -
THATS BECAUSE DESPTIE U ASKING ME TO COOL,U CONTINUE TO RALLY AND INSTIGATE OTHERS TO CONTINUE THEIR JOKE.Originally posted by Phoebie:this threadstarter is making a big fool of himself in shoutbox, insulting and threatening other people
U AND THEM BEING THE CATALYST,SHLD JUST STOP UR NONENSE AND I WILL COOL.
NO CAUSE,NO EFFECT...DRILL THAT IN UR SKULL -
since when did I instigate others?Originally posted by Dongseng:THATS BECAUSE DESPTIE U ASKING ME TO COOL,U CONTINUE TO RALLY AND INSTIGATE OTHERS TO CONTINUE THEIR JOKE.
U AND THEM BEING THE CATALYST,SHLD JUST STOP UR NONENSE AND I WILL COOL.
NO CAUSE,NO EFFECT...DRILL THAT IN UR SKULL
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liek u forgot how u had fun cracking jokes on me in sbOriginally posted by Phoebie:since when did I instigate others?
this is only your presumption
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chicken and egg problem.
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Please. You started scolding people even before I came. All I was trying to do was correct your mistake in the usage of the word 'into'.Originally posted by Dongseng:well u have to ask those troublemakers
i hate it when tards come and play a fool
for me,i don't appreciate it
Why not? You can't win?Originally posted by Dongseng:now back to topic
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joke = serious matter? << does this term come from your 0lala dictionary?Originally posted by Dongseng:liek u forgot how u had fun cracking jokes on me in sb
dun act all that innocent
Ok since you had problem understanding the meaning of joke, let me explain to you
Meaning of joke:
a matter that need not be taken very seriously; trifling matter