Other languages

• Eric Cartman

  23 Jan 07, 01:25

  You know in english papers they sometimes use latin phrases or other languages but when we put in a hokkien word in our compo we get marked wrong
• Hogzilla

  23 Jan 07, 01:35

  There is this word called "discrimination" .
  
  I believe it's called "language discrimination", due to the thinking of "language supremacy" (some assume one language is superior than the other, may it be due to recent years event or preset mindset, the word "assume" was used because "Assumption is the mother of all fuckers")
  
  Dun lambast me. Some scholars (those who wrote dictionaries) thinks that Hokkien, and other dialect, is a language, not a dialect. TS, add the inverted commas before you use the dialect.
• Ito_^

  23 Jan 07, 01:35

  not western enough ma.
• SGpork

  23 Jan 07, 01:36

  
• dahliamorie

  23 Jan 07, 01:45

  hokkien is not a language. it's a dialect.
• FireIce

  23 Jan 07, 01:47

  Originally posted by dahliamorie:

  hokkien is not a language. it's a dialect.

  the chinese we speak today is jus one of the many dialects in china.....jus happen beijing chosen to be the central admin area, so the beijing dialect becomes the "universal" chinese
  
  most languages today were/are still dialects....
• Icemoon

  23 Jan 07, 02:05

  Originally posted by Eric Cartman:

  You know in english papers they sometimes use latin phrases or other languages but when we put in a hokkien word in our compo we get marked wrong

  so which hokkien word did you put?
• Icemoon

  23 Jan 07, 02:06

  In the first place, all dialects should be using the same chinese script (since Qin Shihuang).
  
  So how do you know that chinese word is a hokkien word?
• Meat Pao

  23 Jan 07, 02:41

  Ask your teacher why.
  
  Perhaps you didnt properly write it as a non-English word.
  
  If Im not wrong, non-English words should be written with italics, or with quotation.
  
  If you didn't mark it properly as a non-English word, then I believe your teacher is correct to mark it as your mistake.
  
  Meat Pao.
• Ignatiaus

  23 Jan 07, 03:06

  Originally posted by Eric Cartman:

  You know in english papers they sometimes use latin phrases or other languages but when we put in a hokkien word in our compo we get marked wrong

  English is derived from Latin
  
  Hokkien is derived from Mandarin
  
  
• FireIce

  23 Jan 07, 03:33

  Originally posted by Ignatiaus:

  Hokkien is derived from Mandarin
  
  

  refer to my explanation above
  
  hokkien is a dialect
  so is the "mandarin" u speak today
  
  hokkien is not a subset of mandarin
• Fatum

  23 Jan 07, 03:37

  
  which of these do you suppose your average cambridge O'level english compo marker in the UK would more likely recognize ?
  
  latin phrases,
  
  or hokkien phrases ? ....
• missqi

  23 Jan 07, 03:39

  I actually think that a little addition of another language adds flavor to a composition.
  Assuming you do it right of course; some people suck at English, and use a little dialect/whatever inside, and of course, OF COURSE, it would be a FAIL; like popikachu's essay.....
• Ignatiaus

  23 Jan 07, 03:53

  Originally posted by FireIce:

  refer to my explanation above
  
  hokkien is a dialect
  so is the "mandarin" u speak today
  
  hokkien is not a subset of mandarin

  Ah my mistake. I eat kang tang mostly. =P
• Ito_^

  23 Jan 07, 03:55

  if another girl decides dat kang tang eaters are in the minority, ill show her this thread.
• udontknowme

  23 Jan 07, 06:12

  Originally posted by Ito_^:

  if another girl decides dat kang tang eaters are in the minority, ill show her this thread.

  i still believe kang tang eaters ARE the minority.
  
  a lot are FAKE kang tang eaters.
  those who think its 'cool' to suck at their mother tongue.
  those who think all things 'a-may-lee-can' is cool.
  those who speak with the weirdo fake accents (esp when overseas in an 'ang mo' country childish as it may be, sometimes when i hear one, i go up to them and say "hi, r u from singapore?...' )
  etc.
  worse thing is...a lot of these fake kang tang eaters cant speak decent english for nuts...
  
  
• sand king

  23 Jan 07, 06:30

  The English language borrows words from other languages ect.:
  -Thy
  -Via
  -Ketchup<--if im not wrong
  
  many many more, just have to keep your eyes peeled.
• fymk

  23 Jan 07, 09:01

  Originally posted by Ignatiaus:

  English is derived from Latin
  
  Hokkien is derived from Mandarin
  
  

  English is actually of a germanic origin. It absorbed alot of other languages and bastardise them into its vocabulary like " khaki (indian), gingham (indian), via (latin), romance (latin/old french) " etc.
  
  Latin was the formal language of the scholars and the clergy in Medieval England . French was the a former court language. Latin was the mother of modern romance language like french, spanish , italian, portuguese, romanian, catalan.
  
  English was never derived from Latin , it derived some of its vocabulary from latin and old french.
  
  
• fatslob

  23 Jan 07, 11:27

  Originally posted by fymk:

  English is actually of a germanic origin. It absorbed alot of other languages and bastardise them into its vocabulary like " khaki (indian), gingham (indian), via (latin), romance (latin/old french) " etc.
  
  Latin was the formal language of the scholars and the clergy in Medieval England . French was the a former court language. Latin was the mother of modern romance language like french, spanish , italian, portuguese, romanian, catalan.
  
  English was never derived from Latin , it derived some of its vocabulary from latin and old french.
  
  

  Similarly Hokkien is not derived from Mandarin. Mandarin as we know it today is a relatively new 'dialect' which is much influenced by northern 'invaders' such as mongols and Manchu's. The streamlining of the language was done to suit the Tanguistic characteristic of dropping end consonants in speech and to a degree.. the simplification of tones. It can be argued that 'Dialects' such as Hokkien, Cantonese (especially) or Hakka preserved more of the characteristics of ancient speech due to southern migration and the relative isolation from the influence of northern tribes.
• hellomotosxq

  23 Jan 07, 16:39

  Originally posted by FireIce:

  the chinese we speak today is jus one of the many dialects in china.....jus happen beijing chosen to be the central admin area, so the beijing dialect becomes the "universal" chinese
  
  most languages today were/are still dialects....

  so republic of china before 1949 . the capital is nanjing . why mandarin also is the offical language .
• dragg

  23 Jan 07, 16:42

  Originally posted by Icemoon:

  so which hokkien word did you put?

  KNNBCCB!!!
  
  
• pinkish purple papayas

  23 Jan 07, 16:47

  Originally posted by Ignatiaus:

  English is derived from Latin
  
  Hokkien is derived from Mandarin
  
  

  hahaha! u stated 2 facts and both also kenna debuked... what are the chances of that?
  
  so much for being "kang tang"...
• FireIce

  23 Jan 07, 16:49

  Originally posted by hellomotosxq:

  so republic of china before 1949 . the capital is nanjing . why mandarin also is the offical language .

  last time is chang an wat
• fatslob

  23 Jan 07, 16:53

  Originally posted by hellomotosxq:

  so republic of china before 1949 . the capital is nanjing . why mandarin also is the offical language .

  becos Mandarin was already established as official speech (guan1 hua4) by the Qing (Manchu) Dynasty. Thats why it is the language / dialect used by administrators.
• fatslob

  23 Jan 07, 17:05

  Originally posted by hellomotosxq:

  so republic of china before 1949 . the capital is nanjing . why mandarin also is the offical language .

  double post